--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00020 Date: 04/22/98 From: SCOTT ROYALL Time: 10:05am \/To: DUANE VINCENT (Read 1 times) Subj: Amateur Hello DUANE. Those regs merely require any electronic device tested to emit no harmful interference, and to accept ANY interference. Tuesday April 21 1998 17:48, DUANE VINCENT wrote to BUD JAMISON: DV> If the FCC does not set standards for scanners or receivers, then DV> why DV> does my manual for the Uniden Trunktracker say, and I quote: DV> Certified in accordance with FCC Rules and Regulations Part 15, Subpart DV> C as of date of manufacture DV> Duane KA7JEX Scott --- GoldED/386 2.50+ * Origin: Conch (1:106/357) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00021 Date: 04/22/98 From: TOM WALKER Time: 06:43am \/To: DAN MEEK (Read 1 times) Subj: Freq www pages? -> Howdee all. Anyone know of a good www resource that compiles lists of -> in the U.S.? I'm mainly interested in Colorado, however, it would be -> have a resource when one is traveling. Thanks much in advance. No, But if you are willing to work for your information rather then looking for a FREE RIDE you can go into the PERCONCORP web page and extract the frequencies form their CD of FCC Assigned Frequencies. It can be Searched by State, City and general Agency classification. The web address is - - - www.perconcorp.com/db_srch.htm - - - --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3e * Origin: FidoNet International Coordinator Emeritus, for life (1:202/746) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00022 Date: 04/22/98 From: TOM WALKER Time: 06:46am \/To: DUANE VINCENT (Read 1 times) Subj: Amateur -> If the FCC does not set standards for scanners or receivers, then wh -> does my manual for the Uniden Trunktracker say, and I quote: -> -> Certified in accordance with FCC Rules and Regulations Part 15, -> Subpart C as of date of manufacture THAT is NOT a standard for the Scanner itself but for the Allowed Radiation from the local Oscillator. Incidentally that regulation applies to ALL receivers using a Local oscillator system. Even your Walkman AM/FM radio. The same rule also applies to ANY DEVICE capable of generating a RF signal of any type Including Computer mother boards and Computer monitors. --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3e * Origin: FidoNet International Coordinator Emeritus, for life (1:202/746) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00023 Date: 04/22/98 From: PETE HOPPING Time: 01:00pm \/To: BEN BASS (Read 1 times) Subj: Amateur -=> Quoting Ben Bass to John Mudd <=- -> I don't know how much clearer it can be: -> -> EXCLUSIVELY ALLOCATED BY THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION TO -> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ -> -> DULY LICENSED RADIO AMATEURS. -> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ -> -> -> It states that we are allowed to only listen to frequencies allocated -> hams, not business, not fire, not police not cell or anything else. BB> It doesn't say what we CAN listen to, it only says if you're not a ham BB> you can't have "a radio receiving set capable of receiving signals on BB> the frequencies allocated for police use." BB> It then says ham frequencies have to be in the radio and it has to be BB> associated with a (ham) transmitter. It doesn't say once it meets BB> those conditions, the receiver can't contain other frequencies. I disagree. It doesn't say that. It says nothing about that. It mentions only ham freqs. BB> Also there is no prohibition in the law against monitoring anything BB> other than "frequencies allocated for police use." Fire, business, BB> weather, etc. would apparently be OK within the limits of the ECPA. The prohibition is the actual presence of the scanner in the car. It hasn't anything to do with the ECPA BB> Then there's also the issue of why the local authorities would be BB> looking at the radio to start with. There's still an issue of probable BB> cause. The mere presence of radios in a vehicle does not likely BB> constitute probable cause nor a legal search unless the universally BB> search every vehicle with any radio equipment in it. If you start BB> chasing police calls and showing up at crime scenes, that's another BB> story. If the officer sees the equipment, it is probable cause enough for him to investigate what kind of equipment it is. The law, after all, forbids the mere presence of the scanners. If he pulls you over for a traffic violation and easily sees the presence of the equipment, that's all the probable cause he needs to have. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- * Origin: The North Star * V34/H16 (410)974-9305 (1:261/1108) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00024 Date: 04/22/98 From: PETE HOPPING Time: 01:00pm \/To: DUANE VINCENT (Read 1 times) Subj: Amateur -=> Quoting Duane Vincent to Bud Jamison <=- DV> If the FCC does not set standards for scanners or receivers, then DV> why does my manual for the Uniden Trunktracker say, and I quote: DV> Certified in accordance with FCC Rules and Regulations Part 15, DV> Subpart C as of date of manufacture You're an alleged ham and don't know what Part 15 refers to? The FCC doesn't care if local jurisdictions ban scanners in vehicles, with the exception of ham gear that can scan out of band. Part 15 has nothing to do with the subject under discussion. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- * Origin: The North Star * V34/H16 (410)974-9305 (1:261/1108) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00025 Date: 04/22/98 From: DICK ROSE Time: 12:59pm \/To: BRIAN JOHNSON (Read 1 times) Subj: ARIZONA DPS - WINSLOW I gave you all the freq I have for DPS in that area. They use repeaters so you should be able to hear Phoenix without any problem. DR ... 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population. -*- TurboEDIT v1.40a [MSP96] --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00026 Date: 04/21/98 From: BLAIR THOMPSON Time: 09:47pm \/To: JOE NICHOLSON (Read 1 times) Subj: 2 used scanners -> The $59.95 price on each doesn't look like such a hot deal for an -> older AS IS scanner when they sold for so little when new. -> (Although the SR900 is 16 channels, or so the manufacturer's lable -> said.) -> With so much of San Diego County now using 800MHz and the sheriff -> going up there soon, I think I'll pass on them. They are absurdly overpriced. You are wise not to get them. Blair --- InterEcho 1.18 * Origin: JP's Place - Falls Church VA 703-237-5786 (1:109/621) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00027 Date: 04/22/98 From: TODD BUTLER Time: 11:52am \/To: DUANE VINCENT (Read 1 times) Subj: Fcc Part 15 From earlier electron flows..... Duane Vincent was caught asking: DV> If the FCC does not set standards for scanners or DV> receivers, then why does my manual for the Uniden DV> Trunktracker say, and I quote: DV> Certified in accordance with FCC Rules and Regulations Part 15, Subpart C as of date of manufacture DV> Duane KA7JEX Having knowledge of both the title (and the content) of Part 15 helps understand the labeling..... Code Of Federal Regulations Section 47 - Telecommunications Volume One -- Part 15 "Radio Frequency Devices" Uniden is a manufacturer of elecronic devices. With most electronic devices (as compared to animal, agricultural, textile, or structural items) manage to manipulate electrons in mysterious ways. This manipulation has been know to create electromagnetic radiation (radio waves) in various frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum. In order to prevent hazardous or "interfering" emissions from occurring, the Federal Communications Commission established levels to keep electronic devices from causing problems with other electronic devices in close proximity. Electronic devices are label to show compliance with the rules. A few examples: Take a portable AM receiver and place it near your computer. Turn on the computer (and monitor), and the receiver. Note the "noise" level on the radio once the monitor is displaying. The monitor emits interference in the AM Broadcast Band. Remember the time you were watching a Seattle Seahawks game on Channel 5, KING Television, the NBC affiliate, and your better half started to vacuum the rug, or run the blender? These devices utilize electrons to motivate the rotation of shafts and motors. These devices are not regulated under Part 15 of the FCC Rules and Regulations. Annoying, wasn't it? Had these devices been covered by Part 15, you would have seen similar labeling concerning compliance. Ever ride in an airplane? If you have, or if you do, take a moment to ask for a "quick tour" of the cockpit. Then ask the pilot what electronic devices which surround the cockpit that can have adverse reaction to electronic emissions. In the case of an aircraft, those tiny signals can "literally" bring any aircraft navigation, autopilot, or communications equipment to a condition of uselessness. The net result can be the immediate "grounding" of the aircraft, with or without a landing strip for support. It boils down to this.....Uniden is invoking a CYA routine! 73, Todd N0NCL <--- vanity call in Arizona * SLMR 2.1a * I didn't get the documentation for the manuals..... --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: HAM>link< RBBS 612/HAM-0000 Saint Paul, MN [K0TG] (1:282/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00028 Date: 04/20/98 From: SCOTT HUFFMAN Time: 12:25pm \/To: BUD JAMISON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Amateur BJ> No, the FCC 'approves' transmitters, NOT receivers. So if you have a BJ> receiver that ONLY picks up have freqs, you're OK. Why then is every scanning receiver labeled with an FCC ID Number. And you'll also note when reading scanner catalogs that new scanners which havent received fcc 'approval' (I use the word approved, loosely in leu of the more appropriate phrase) cant be sold in the U.S. and the catalog usually is labeled 'for export only'. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Brian's World (516)-331-5540 Long Island, NY (1:2619/232) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: F5G00029 Date: 04/08/98 From: ALEXANDER BILAN Time: 06:21pm \/To: FRANK CAJAR (Read 1 times) Subj: Scanners and Road Trips You where writing to Blair Thompson about Amateur; > Along with all the reasons previously mentioned, one other one has > merit: > A number of states have laws that restrict or prohibit the use of mobile > or handheld scanners... not a good thing if you happen to be traveling out > of your home state. As a rule, the laws exempt licensed amateur radio I'll be venturing into Michigan and Ohio for a roadtrip, do either of these states have a no-scanner policy that your aware of? Alex. | AmiQWK 2.7 - S/N 0261 | ... If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost. --- OLMS 2.60p.a1+ [EPMBP73M] * Origin: Multiboard * 519-680-2991 * Internet (1:2401/0)