--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1V00002 Date: 01/22/97 From: STEVE WALFORD Time: 08:40pm \/To: ALL (Read 11 times) Subj: 317.850 Yorkshire England A work colleague has heared a transmission on 317.850 talking about Magic 89 and 90 and data transmission, aparently with a outside aerial the data transmission swamps the voice signal but with just the indoor aerial the voice transmission comes through In my book the frequency is listed as Nationwide Air Defence Region any one have any more info. Steve Walford --- Spot 1.3a Unregistered * Origin: Steves point on Phantasy Island (2:2502/7.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1V00003 Date: 01/25/97 From: KERRY KOWALSKI Time: 08:30am \/To: BOBBIE BEERS (Read 11 times) Subj: Re: cell phone monitoring On Tuesday, January 21st, 1997 - Bobbie Beers wrote: KK> Could be a 2032 if there are less keys. It does the buisness band... BB> Could be, Rocky, I've never one, since I had no interest in buying BB> one when they came out. BB> Bobbie Nor did I... I picked mine up used in 95 Opened it up without instructions with the help of a schematic then proceded to add 3,200 chanels and a LED s-meter. Nice little unit that receives well where ever it can tune! Not all that many images either. Made by GRE... Rocky --- RiBBS v2.10 * Origin: Rocky's Data Stash - OS9 - RSDOS - COCO - 414-684-4115 (1:154/888) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1W00000 Date: 01/24/97 From: KIRK L. BENNETT Time: 07:14am \/To: STEVE WALFORD (Read 11 times) Subj: Canada scanning - you asked Hello Steve, -=> Quoting Steve Walford to Marc Chabot <=- -=> Heres a UK guy 18 Jan 97 19:55:14 <=- First I would just like to mention that I've been watching this conference for many months now & quite enjoy most of the interesting info & banter going on in here. Keep it up folks. ;) SW> Well the way I read it in the US you are allowed to listen to SW> anything as long as it is not specifically prohibited. SW> Whats the situation in Canada. In two words - no restrictions. OK, maybe that's a little general, but it is applicable. I would like to qualify my statements by saying that I'm not a lawyer nor am I a HAM, but I have been an SWL & scanner user for many years. An interpretation (Haruteq Scanner Book) of the "Radiocom munication Act" reads as follows; "-Scanners/scanning legal anywhere in Canada; -no `off-limit' frequencies; -no license req'd; -do not use what you hear for personal gain; -do not tell others what you heard." They do add "...the Manitoba Highways Act...actually spells out you cannot use a scanner in your car while cruising Manitoba. Could it be Canadian laws are not as clear as we thought they were?" Of course standard common sense would apply. If you were to continually show up at hold-up scenes before the police or if you were to always be at the scene of fires when the authorities arrived on the scene you can bet questions would be asked. Here in Quebec, the God-forsaken province & embarrasment of Canada, the Surete (provincial police) have a nasty hasbit of making up the law as they go along so you may not be charged for using a scanner but all the same you might see it "accidentally" dropped on the floor with the force of a 250 lb bully's pitching arm or they just might lose it or even claim they never saw you with it in the first place, you'd still end up with a good beating for your troubles. Basically there's no problem as we stand right in front of the police with scanners & they don't even bat an eye for the most part. However I wouldn't open the speaker blaring a police freq - that might be pushing things a bit as the police here are all a bunch of nervous-nellies. They do often say (when it suits them) that they have no problem with people listening to their comms as it proves they are being responsible in the conduct of their duties. Most CDN fesderal police freqs are scrambled when there is any priority but the standard RCPM freqs are easy to scan. SW> Across here it seems to be you can only listen to what is allowed SW> on your licence, I will stand corrected but I think it mentions SW> somewhere broadcast for the general public etc. Is this a HAM license you are referring to or is there a scanner-specific license? How much do you pay for this? SW> At one time it was frowned on if you used a scanner at airports to SW> monitor the traffic but the last time I was at Manchester I seem to SW> remember reading that they allowed there use, but reserved the SW> right to withdraw the permission if they wished. SW> What is the situation in Canada / US I have had a few folks tell me that there was indeed a time during the 60's & 70's when it was also frowned upon to fire up a scanner in the vicinity of an airport, not because you were breaking a law, but simply because of the threat of terrorism. That seems to be much less the case now although an RCMP officer told nme that if you were "too regular" at airports with your scanner you could expect to be picked up for a "little questioning" courtesy of the RCMP. I can understand this & even though it would be a violation of your rights I think it is better to err on the side of care rather than have the poice be apathetic. If one uses their head they will obviously try to be discrete & not make themselves appear to be a bit more than a tail-watcher. Anyhow, there's my two-farthings' worth. Hopefully winter's not being too harsh on you, we heard Europe is having a rough one this year. It sure is cold here, but that's to be expected, this is Canada, after all. Best Regards, KLB SPITFIRE 8:{)> ... You can trust the govt..Just ask an Indian. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.21 [NR] * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1W00001 Date: 01/25/97 From: SCOTT HOFFMAN Time: 12:53pm \/To: JOHN FENDER (Read 11 times) Subj: Scrambling JF> Does anyone know the tecnical name for the voice scrambling systems JF> used in cordless phones and 2 way radio communications? How does it JF> work and how safe am I using it in my business? No hunches please, I JF> need info from someone who really knows this technology. I replied to that with like a 6 part message, lots of details. Check out the BUSINESS TELEPHONES FIDO Conference.. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Brian's World (516)-331-5540 Long Island, NY (1:2619/232) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1W00002 Date: 01/24/97 From: NATHAN BOLLINGER Time: 07:21am \/To: STEVE WALFORD (Read 11 times) Subj: Re: Heres a UK guy > All the folks I know that have scanners couldn't really care > less what they tune into If that were the case, scanning would be a very boring hobby. B-) --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#0226) * Origin: The Big Byte BBS 704-279-2295 (1:379/301) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1W00003 Date: 01/24/97 From: NATHAN BOLLINGER Time: 07:23am \/To: JOHN FENDER (Read 11 times) Subj: Re: >Does anyone know the tecnical name for the voice scrambling systems >used in cordless phones and 2 way radio communications? How does it >work and how safe am I using it in my business? No hunches please, I >need info from someone who really knows this technology. Most of the 46/49MHz models use "voice inversion." The way it works is that both the handset and base unit contain a cicuit which basically turns the audio "up-sidedown." Each unit (base and handset) has its inversion circuit set to the same "reference" frequency; say for example, 1000Hz. Any audio which enters the circuit above 1000Hz would come out that much below 1000Hz and vice-versa. In other words, if audio was entering at 1100Hz, it would come out as 900Hz, and audio coming in at, say, 800Hz would come out as 1200Hz. Since both the base unit and the handset have the inversion circuitry, the signal is inverted twice. Two negatives make a positive (unless you're talking about ebonics, but that's a whole different story). B-) When you tune in one of these signals on your scanner, it's only been inverted ONCE, (by the base unit), and it sounds like some kind of alien voice. You can buy inversion type descambler kits from a number of sources. Probably your best bet would be Ramsey. (Call 1-800-446-2295 for a catalog.) As for how safe you are using this type of technology, as I said, descrambler kits are readily availble. So it's not the exactly the safest form of telephone security, although very few "casual" scanner listeners care to go to all the trouble of building a desrambler. Disclaimer: Using descramblers is against the law, so please ignore everything I just said. B-) As for the 900Mhz phones, most of those use digital scrambling, and I have no idea how it works! I'm not aware of ANYONE who's been able to descramble this stuff. My wife and I own one of the digital 900MHz phones, and even though I can find the operating frequencies with my frequency counter, when I try to tune them in on my scanner, I can't even detect a carrier! If you need voice security, I would recommend one of these. If you can get one of the "spread-spectrum" phones, that would be even better, since they are constantly changing channels at a very rapid pace. There's no way a scanner can keep up with them! --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#0226) * Origin: The Big Byte BBS 704-279-2295 (1:379/301) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1X00000 Date: 01/23/97 From: IVY IVERSON Time: 05:33am \/To: JOHN FENDER (Read 11 times) Subj: Cordless phone scrambling -=> On 01-20-97 11:45, John Fender said to All,<=- -=>"About ...,"<=- Hi, John; JF> Does anyone know the tecnical name for the voice scrambling systems JF> used in cordless phones and 2 way radio communications? How does it JF> work and how safe am I using it in my business? No hunches please, I JF> need info from someone who really knows this technology. There are several methods which can be used. The most secure is encrypted digital. Spread spectrum would probably be next followed by "straight" digital. All three would be far beyond the capability of the average scannist to listen to. On the low end of the scale would be the inversion scramblers. Anyone who knows much about electronics can build an inversion scrambler/ descrambler, probably for under $20. (This can also be used as a voice shifter, like those used in radio/TV interviews where the interviewe wishes anomonity and the ones used in some expen$ive phones to change the voice!) Catch you later... Good luck. Ivy ... FREEZE!!! Put down the scanner and back away slowly! > Ivy's WALL BBS - Home of Lakeshore Net <Ŀ > Co-moderator: FidoNet TAGLINES <Ĵ > Moderator: MufoNet Dream Link & DreamLink Chat.< ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- TriToss (tm) 1.03 - (Unregistered) * Origin: Ivy's WALL BBS <> Sheboygan, WI 414-457-9255 (1:154/170) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1X00001 Date: 01/27/97 From: LEAH ROZHON Time: 11:05am \/To: WILL SPERLING (Read 11 times) Subj: February CARMA Meeting *[Quoting Will Sperling to All] On 01-23-97 23:25, [About February CARMA Meeting]* WS> The next meeting of the Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association WS> (CARMA) will be on Saturday, February 8, 1997 at the Destiny WS> Restaurant, 1440 Rand Rd., Des Plaines, Il. Lunch starts at 11:30 am, Hi Will. I live in southeast McHenry County and have a friend who lives in Woodstock. Both of us are interested in scanning and have nice units. Would frequencies and information *for this area* be available to us at CARMA meetings? Do you have members from this far out? And do you know how far it is to the Destiny Restaurant from the Metra station in Des Plaines? Getting there from the train might not be possible, but if it's only a short distance, it's easier than dealing with the traffic! :-) Thanks, Leah ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Star Spawn BBS (1:115/477.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1X00002 Date: 01/27/97 From: JOHN FENDER Time: 04:55pm \/To: SCOTT HOFFMAN (Read 11 times) Subj: Scrambling -> JF> Does anyone know the tecnical name for the voice scrambling systems -> JF> used in cordless phones and 2 way radio communications? How does it -> JF> work and how safe am I using it in my business? No hunches please, I -> JF> need info from someone who really knows this technology. -> I replied to that with like a 6 part message, lots of details. Check out -> the BUSINESS TELEPHONES FIDO Conference.. -> --- GEcho 1.00 -> * Origin: Brian's World (516)-331-5540 Long Island, NY (1:2619/232) Yes! and thanks for the detailed info. It is very infomative. jwf --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GY * Origin: MTCC BBS! (704)652-0330 Telnet/FTP: bbs.mcdowell.cc.nc.us (1:3666/501) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1X00003 Date: 01/27/97 From: BOB STURGEON Time: 02:52pm \/To: KIRK L. BENNETT (Read 11 times) Subj: Canada scanning - you as Hi Kirk ... on 24 Jan 97 you said to Steve Walford, KLB> In two words - no restrictions. OK, maybe that's a little KLB> general, but it is applicable. I would like to qualify my KLB> statements by saying that I'm not a lawyer nor am I a HAM, but I KLB> have been an SWL & scanner user for many years. I enjoyed your description of Canadian laws and it certainly concurs with my understanding. I live in Richmond, British Columbia, Canada. KLB> Most CDN federal police freqs are scrambled when there is any KLB> priority but the standard RCMP freqs are easy to scan. I have not encountered any scrambled freqs here. That's not to say they aren't using them :-) KLB> SW> At one time it was frowned on if you used a scanner at KLB> SW> airports to monitor the traffic but the last time I was at KLB> SW> Manchester I seem to remember reading that they allowed there KLB> SW> use, but reserved the right to withdraw the permission if they KLB> SW> wished. What is the situation in Canada / US KLB> I have had a few folks tell me that there was indeed a time during KLB> the 60's & 70's when it was also frowned upon to fire up a scanner KLB> in the vicinity of an airport, not because you were breaking a KLB> law, but simply because of the threat of terrorism. That seems to KLB> be much less the case now although an RCMP officer told me that KLB> if you were "too regular" at airports with your scanner you could KLB> expect to be picked up for a "little questioning" courtesy of the KLB> RCMP. That certainly is not the case here in B.C. ... you're just going to have to move from Quebec out here to get that freedom you seem to be missing :-)) I only live a few miles from Vancouver International Airport and the Airport Authority has even provided a large grassy park at the east end of the runway for scanner enthusiasts (or anyone for that matter) to park their cars and picnic and listen to their hearts content. Their are many "airport scanner" groups that are out each day and have a real social time of it. These activities are regularly written up in the local newspapers as a public interest feature. So, these people are as regular as say "365 days a year" and no problems! We are very fortunate in that we have IMHO excellent police forces here in Western Canada. We have the RCMP in Richmond and at the airport. Certainly, not a "Surete" type situation as you described in Quebec! Just thought I'd pop in my two cents worth from Western Canada as we are very much different from Quebec :-)) Bye for now ... Bob * SLMR 2.1a * --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715)