--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00001 Date: 01/15/97 From: MATT SMITH Time: 07:17pm \/To: BRUCE CLARK (Read 10 times) Subj: Re: cell phone monitoring BC> Looks like we're going to see what kind of teeth the BC> ECPA has. What with the Florida couple monitoring and BC> recording Newt Gingrich's cell phone converstion. Not really. The case involving Gingrich's call is an _aberration_ involving someone who did a public confession of his monitoring cellular calls. But how many arrests have you heard of involving _nondisclosed_ private monitoring? It's like speeding 60 in a 55 is theoretically illegal, but you aren't at all likely to be ticketed because cops have more important things to do with their time. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: The Spirit of '76 (1:3644/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00002 Date: 01/15/97 From: FRANK GLOVER Time: 10:01pm \/To: BRUCE CLARK (Read 10 times) Subj: cell phone monitoring BC> Looks like we're going to see what kind of teeth the BC> ECPA has. What with the Florida couple monitoring and BC> recording Newt Gingrich's cell phone converstion. Yes, I'm *intensely* interested in how this turns out. Espically as it *appears* they got the entire conversation in question. Unless the Speaker was in essentially one location the whole time, it suggests they had both the hardware and knowledge to follow his conversation from cell to cell. That plus the presence of a recorder suggests it was much more than casual listening. I mean, we seem to have violations of the TDDRA, the ECPA *and* the Communications Act.... (A newspaper story today says they used a Radio Shack scanner, but no model was named....) Frank --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Shack TOO * Mike Ward - Sysop * (716)288-5848 (1:2613/150) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00003 Date: 01/14/97 From: ANDY ULRICH Time: 05:12pm \/To: FRANK IUSTON (Read 10 times) Subj: Cordless phone freq's -=> Quoting Frank Iuston to Andy Ulrich <=- AU> they would have made it illegal to have the freq's programed into a AU> scanner. You see they want pacify those who wanted the scanner AU> enthusiast stopped but not enough to put teeth in the law. So they AU> passed some more feel good legislation that made bad law. FI> Funny thing is though that although it is illegal, those things FI> *because* they are cordless can quite often get stray signals from FI> other cordless phones in the same street :) Sometimes you can FI> understand whats been said, sometimes you can't..but because while FI> you're on the call to someone else that you can actually get the stray FI> frequency, I wonder if it's illegal to stop the conversation you're FI> having just so you can try and make out the stray signal :) FI> FI> Food for thought, anyway :) Or just pick up the handset turn it on till you get a dial tone and then unplug the phone line from the base and the handset stays open on what ever freq it was set on at the unplugging. I bet living in a large apt. complex could be a nightmare for overlapping signals. It also occured to me with all the hoopla about The cell phone conversation of Newt Gingrich, the media is also guilty of revealing the contents of that conversation. Who do ya think they will prosecute the politician, the media, or the couple with the scanner? Sorry my dear cell phone scanning enthusiast couple, you are going down alone! The bast!@#$ that passed the law will never be accountable for violating it, and the media wasted no time to point out that is illegal just so the could cleanse their hands! ... FREEZE!! Put down the scanner and back away slowly! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/WC v1.19b / 01-0565 * Origin: INTERGALACTIC INFORMATION BBS 937-379-2832 (1:108/515) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00004 Date: 01/14/97 From: ANDY ULRICH Time: 06:18pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 10 times) Subj: Re: Cordless phone freq's -=> Quoting Robert White to Andy Ulrich <=- RW> [ Quoting Andy Ulrich to All ] AU> I don't know if I should give any of the government pinhead's and AU> idea, but as far as I know it is illegal to listen to cordless phone AU> freq's and conversations but if they wanted to do some thing about it AU> they would have made it illegal to have the freq's programed into a AU> scanner. You see they want pacify those who wanted the scanner AU> enthusiast stopped but not enough to put teeth in the law. So the AU> passed some more feel good legislation that made bad law. RW> No, way it is not by any means illegal to listen to cordless phone RW> conversations, Thats still debated hotly here in the states. Some think if it's not a state law it's not illegal, others say it falls under federal law. Me, I don't know. Lets put it this way, all I have to do on my pro 2042 is push Auto 5, hold down Enter and push clear and I'm in compliance with the law! RW> and as a matter of fact is not even against the law RW> (In Australia) to monitor Police\Ambulance\Fire Communications via RW> any Type of Radio transmission. However I am not certian about other RW> countries. In some state's its not illegal to have a scanner, but is to use it in the commission of a crime, say while robbing a bank you monitor freq's used by the police to see if an alarm has been dropped. That is a crime in my opinion! Funny though, Austrailia has certainly tightend up it gun laws in a knee jerk way, but not it's communication laws. Unlucky in one way, lucky in another! RW> ... Why trust in technology, when you can have TREKnology? ^^^^ Scan long and Prosper!!! Best regards, Andy ... Suspect armed with a 1000 channel scanner. Suspect is informed and dangerou ! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/WC v1.19b / 01-0565 * Origin: INTERGALACTIC INFORMATION BBS 937-379-2832 (1:108/515) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00005 Date: 01/15/97 From: MARC MOSHER Time: 12:38pm \/To: SCOTT HOFFMAN (Read 10 times) Subj: Re: RE: . SH>target specifi phone numbers,. The software interfaces with the scanner SH>by a coupler, and automatically tunes the scanner to follow the SH>conversation as it is handed off from cell site to cell site. if you need SH>to actually see the device to believe it, I can show you stuff from my SH>own catalog (which COUGH COUGH I;m not supposed to sell) along with stuff SH>from other manufactureres who sell these units, just gimme your address SH>e-mail and I';ll send you a couple photocopies of the ads for these nice units SH>along with their brief details.. I'd be interested in seeing a copy of that, Scott. My address is: Marc E. Mosher 27384 NY ST Rt 12 Watertown NY 13601 --- OLXWin 1.00 Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! * Origin: AutoMania! Williamson NY 315-483-9455 V34/VFC/HST (1:2613/601) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00006 Date: 01/10/97 From: AL MCCLAIN Time: 12:04pm \/To: FRANK GLOVER (Read 11 times) Subj: 2006 Scanner FG>AM> What's the going rate for a Pro 2006 with cell unblocked? FG> What's the value of an equivalent weight of gold...? Well I have three of 'em. Maybe I ought to start keeping them at Ft. Knox? :) One of 'em is just sitting around in the box, though not brand new. Not sure if I want to sell it though. I use it on rare occasion in the car (I think it's legal here in Illinois). You don't hear much about them on this echo anymore. New scanists just starting out would only know the current models. They would have to be "educated" about the 2006. BTW, I don't see Bill Cheek's name here anymore. Isn't he the moderator? Maybe he has gone the way of the 2006. AL * SLMR 2.1a * Bigomy: one wife too many. Monogamy: same idea. - JetMail v1.148 - Unregistered QWK Mail Door for Spitfire --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3 * Origin: -= N I G H T L I N E =- Home Of GameNet '95 (1:115/815) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00007 Date: 01/15/97 From: TERRY BENDELL Time: 05:02pm \/To: PAUL N0SCC (Read 10 times) Subj: RE: NATIONAL SCANNER RADIO INFOR >RV> etc. I for one will discontinue checking this local BBS for new >RV> messages in this area. From now on I will only browse the web for >RV> interesting topics. > > BYE !! So long, hope you enjoy the waiting game on the web! --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Big Sky BBS 705-444-8565/428-3677 (1:252/502) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00008 Date: 01/16/97 From: BUD JAMISON Time: 10:02am \/To: FRANK GLOVER (Read 10 times) Subj: cell phone monitoring FG> Unless the Speaker was in essentially one location the whole time, it FG> suggests they had both the hardware and knowledge to follow his FG> conversation from cell to cell. A) it was NOT Gingrich directly that was 'intercepted', it was one of his staff. Since he qas a staff member, he PROBABLY lived in Washington D.C., and was temporarily in Florida. Thus, it's unlikely that it was a cordless phone as some people are speculating. Even so, cordless phones are covered under the same laws as cellular. B) Given above, it's VERY possible that the caller was stationary. ... WORF! Please show these children the airlock... --- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] * Origin: ECPA: proof money CAN buy (bad) laws... (1:202/746) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00009 Date: 01/15/97 From: JANE PAUL Time: 09:40pm \/To: ALL (Read 10 times) Subj: wellington frequencies To Everybody, Does anybody have any interesting codes for the wellington region. Please repily with anything!. Cheers, JANE --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 * Origin: WM v4.1: Romboard, 3:771/1230 +64-4-383-6040 (3:771/1230.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: E1K00010 Date: 01/16/97 From: RON TAYLOR Time: 08:32am \/To: FRANK GLOVER (Read 10 times) Subj: cell phone monitoring FG> BC> Looks like we're going to see what kind of teeth the > BC> ECPA has. What with the Florida couple monitoring and > BC> recording Newt Gingrich's cell phone converstion. FG> Yes, I'm *intensely* interested in how this turns out. Espically as it >*appears* they got the entire conversation in question. Unless the Speaker >was in essentially one location the whole time, it suggests they had both >the hardware and knowledge to follow his conversation from cell to cell. >That plus the presence of a recorder suggests it was much more than casual >listening. FG> I mean, we seem to have violations of the TDDRA, the ECPA *and* the >Communications Act.... I just about fell out of my chair last night when the local TV station, channel 12 in Montgomery Alabama, ran a story on Cell monitoring. They DEMONSTRATED the ability of various scanners to receive cell conversations. They broadcast several conversations directly from the scanner speaker. They did say that the conversations that were broadcast were between station employees, but went on to say that they had listened to several other conversations in the process of compiling this story. For the icing on the cake, the announcer divulged personal and quite sensitive information about a conversation that he had heard. He did not say the name of the person talking, but did say that he recognized the caller as a personal friend of his who was talking to his attorney. He described the type of business the friend was in and where he was located. Most anyone could easily determine the actual identity. I couldn't believe that a TV station, licensed by the FCC, would so blatantly violate the rules of the very agency that keeps them in business. I wonder if they actually rob banks in order to describe how a bank robbery occurs??? Not once during the story did they mention that what they were doing was illegal! They did demonstrate some kind of digital scrambling device that could be used on cell phones. The announcer somewhat facetiously advised his "friend" to purchase one of these devices. --- * QMPro 1.02 42-7029 * If found, please return to The HEART OF DIXIE. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: His Touch BBS (1:124/7019.0)