--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00014 Date: 12/20/96 From: DAVID BATE Time: 08:45pm \/To: KEITH LIVINGSTONE (Read 12 times) Subj: Now Released!! Hi Keith! Keith Livingstone wrote in a message to David Bate: DB> For your free copy, grab from the following BBS's: DB> Space Lodge Listening Post 1-905-697-2935 DB> CityPoint System 1-905-436-8916 KL> What is the name of the file so I can f'req it? The file name is SCN96351.ZIP or magic name of SCANTEXT. If you are going to freq it, you'll have to change the phone number for my address 1:229/618, unless it is fix in this weeks nodediff. The number should be 905-697-2935. Dave... david.bate@lodgeware.gryn.org dbate@sbase.com --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00015 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:01pm \/To: NATHAN BOLLINGER (Read 12 times) Subj: Re: Cordlessphones MG>I thought is you acted on what you heard it was then illegal. And that MG>a person is not to even listen to cellphones. But cordless telephones MG>was ok un less you acted on what you heard. ie. they are going out of MG>town and you use the time that they are away to break and enter. MG> I think there is some confusion on this matter.. Cordless Phones: Legal to recieve- Illegal to divulge Cellular Phones: Illegal to recieve - Illegal to divulge Insofar as any "radio communications" other than "public broadcasting", It is illegal to discuss what you have heard with any third party. This applies from everything from Ham radio to private companies or for that matter, anything "not intended" for "the general public". A cordless phone is considered to be a "two way radio device" and it is not regulated in the same manner as a cellular phone. It is Illegal to "listen" to cellular phones;in addition, it is Illegal to have a device capable of doing so. Scanners, for example, must be manufactured in a manner as not to recieve cellphones. Because of thier short and limited range, Cordless phones , have not been regulated in this manner and are considered to be radio equipment,whereas, cellular phones are considered to be a private telephone by law, and are regulated by local government and telecommunication agencies. I hope this clears up any misconceptions that may exist. Charles Bushell --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00016 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:06pm \/To: RON MARTIN (Read 12 times) Subj: Re: Happenings RM> Hi Bobbie, Could you cite that for me; where it say people cannot RM> disclose what they here on a scanner. Thank You. RM> Ron The 1996 Radio and Telecommunications Act.... A copy is available from your local F.C.C. or D.O.C. district office. Charles Bushell --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00017 Date: 12/21/96 From: DAVID BATE Time: 04:13pm \/To: RON MARTIN (Read 12 times) Subj: Happenings Hi RON! RON MARTIN wrote in a message to Bobbie Beers: RM> Hi Bobbie, Could you cite that for me; where it say people cannot RM> disclose what they here on a scanner. Thank You. As extracted from the Canadian Radio Act. 4.(1) No person shall, except under and in accordance with radio a radio authorization, install, operate or possess radio apparatus, other than: (b) radio apparatus that is capable only of the reception of broadcasting and that is not a broadcasting receiving undertaking 9.(1)(b) without lawful excuse, interfere with or obstruct any radiocommunications. (2) except as prescribed, no person shall intercept and make use, or intercept and divulge, any radiocommunication, other than broadcasting, except as permitted by the originator thereof. Dave... david.bate@lodgeware.gryn.org dbate@sbase.com --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00018 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:21pm \/To: MIKE HATFIELD (Read 12 times) Subj: Re: . MH> I dont think there's anything wrong with posting things you here on MH> your scanner. The people that are using cordless phones are MH> pratically inviting everyone to listen in. AS long as you dont MH> disclose any names or something like that, im not really into this MH> technical stuf some of you experts are talking about, im just an 19 MH> year old guy who likes listening to his scanner, and would like to MH> read and post some of thethings you here. Like a bad thing to post MH> that you heard on a cellular would be someone's credit card number MH> and their name, thatstuff is out. Whats wrong with normal stuff, MH> where the hell is my freedom. Where the hell is OUR freedom? --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00019 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:36pm \/To: HARVEY HARBICHT (Read 12 times) Subj: RE: CORDLESSPHONES [1/2] HH> If you tune your scanner directly to a phone frequency on purpose and HH> listen on purpose because that's what you intended to do...that's HH> different. What if my scanner was scanning a range of frequencies and "stumbled" on one? without realizing what it was, is this breaking the law too? HH> That same for the baby monitor. If you sit there and listen when you HH> *KNOW* that it is somebody's phone, you are breaking the law. --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00020 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:44pm \/To: BOBBIE BEERS (Read 12 times) Subj: RE: Happenings WV> Right you are, Bobbie! Also, there is no exemption for news media WV> types who go on the (broadcast radio and television) air routinely, WV> dispensing information they received from guess what, heh-heh. WV> Occasionally public safety radio traffic is rebroadcast, sometimes WV> live, during news blurps from on-scene incidents. But that's another WV> type of violation entirely, eh, what? Yes, but that is purely "unintentional" :) --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00021 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:46pm \/To: DANIEL ARDELINE (Read 12 times) Subj: Re: . DA> Freedom for what? To harass people you've heard give out personal DA> information by divulging it to others? Freedom to get arrested DA> through your own stupidity? Just because you don't agree with a law DA> doesn't make it wrong. Believe it or not, the world does not DA> revolve around what you think. Everybody is an F.B.I. agent ... --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00022 Date: 12/21/96 From: CHARLIE BUSHELL Time: 04:48pm \/To: ALL (Read 12 times) Subj: Re: Now Released!! DB> * Forwarded (from: durscan) by David Bate using timEd 1.10+. * DB> Originally from David Bate (1:229/618) to All. * Original dated: Tue DB> Dec 17, 17:57 DB> Hi All! DB> --FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FREE--FR DB> EE DB> Now released.. the December 1996 Durham Region Scanner Group DB> ScanText. Scanner, shortwave and beacon frequencies and information DB> for the Durham Region, Metro Toronto and surrounding area, including DB> satellite, and northern New York counties. DB> For your free copy, grab from the following BBS's: DB> Space Lodge Listening Post 1-905-697-2935 CityPoint System DB> 1-905-436-8916 DB> or DB> ftp sbase.com\text\scn96351.zip DB> Dave... david.bate@lodgeware.gryn.org dbate@sbase.com DB> -!- timEd 1.10+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 DB> (1:229/622.1) Yes i must say this is one of the most comprehensive guides available online to the hobbist.. Charles Bushell --- FastEcho 1.45a+ * Origin: Space Lodge Bowmanville ON (905)697-2935 (1:229/622.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 154 SCANNERS Ref: DGS00023 Date: 12/21/96 From: BOBBIE BEERS Time: 02:36pm \/To: WILLIAM VIETS (Read 12 times) Subj: RE: Happenings -=> Quoting William Viets to Bobbie Beers <=- Hi William, WV> Ha! Good one! I think it has something to do with the fact that WV> because of the 1st Amendment people think the news media has a right WV> to do just about anything. The public safety types love the attention WV> and coverage, so who's left to file a complaint? Mere technicalities, WV> m'thinks. The "Halo Principle"? WV> Those tapes are released by their "owners," usually local government WV> agencies, as agents of "the people". Of course in my experience every WV> local agency worth its salt releases just about any and everything WV> which it cares to, so long as those releases further the department's WV> cause! WV> Try to break loose a 911 tape or a department's radio loggings on tape WV> which demonstrate anything much less than top flight professionalism WV> -- that's a whole n'other ball game, heh-heh. The infamous WV> Philadelphia debacle was caused largely by incompetency (and aided and WV> abetted by an unfortunate tragicomedy of procedural imponderables -- WV> read "less than perfect SOPs and common sense training". Those tapes WV> showed even bigger flaws in 911 personnel, so they were released to WV> demonstrate that the city was on the ball and didn't really plan or WV> even want to have its citizens killed because of the bureaucracy and WV> its bungling. Exactly, makes you wonder how many more of those same types of calls have occured, and not been reported. It's happened here in Dallas too, and I on't think any city is immune. In some instances calls don't even make it as far as the operator. The lines were too jammed! 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