--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2F00002 Date: 02/09/98 From: GRAEME JAYE Time: 01:07pm \/To: RICHARD JORDAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Sitar midi file Ho Richard, How're you doin'? On 06-Feb-98 at 19:41:32, Richard Jordan wrote to Graeme Jaye about Sitar midi file RJ> actually patch 104 should be a sitar - both in general midi RJ> and in the the roland gs Oooh! So 'tis. I must have gone through that a million times without realising. I usually accept and use a voice on the basis of what it *sounds* like and not what it is called. I have to say (having just had a quick audition) mine sounds _nothing_ like a sitar . RJ> as to why there is so little music for sitar it is perhaps RJ> because much of the distinctive sound is achived via RJ> pitchbend, which is not easy to enter for most people Which was the point I was making. The basic patch is just that - basic. An awful lot of work is required to make it sound authentic and this is not for the faint-hearted or the beginner. RJ> a second problem is that ethnic music of any sort is RJ> relatively rare Knowing, from personal experience, just how hard it can be to capture a *real* ethnic instruments nuances, the desired objective of synthesising one leaves me somewhat cold . The dearth of stuff around surprises me not. RJ> sympathetic strings are a small problem, but not much more RJ> difficult than a bagpipe drone. And scaling can be handled as RJ> well, although probably not via general midi... [I regularly RJ> use baroque tunings in sequnces, and occasionally dabble in 12 RJ> tone stuff] all the information for a great number of scale RJ> tunings is available... Exactly. None of this is at beginner level. The other major problem is that a lot of this will be specific to the synth/module used and would be highly unlikely to translate to another setup via a midi file. Since so many people seem to regard midi as a *replacement* for the recording process, this approach is bound to fall over. RJ> I understood that much of it has never been written, atleast RJ> in the formal sense of for publication Much classical Indian music is, indeed, of an improvisational nature. Keep 'em comin' Graeme in Dover, England --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: The Discussion Point (2:440/7.24) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2F00003 Date: 02/10/98 From: ROSS MACIVER Time: 08:52am \/To: DAVE GOSTL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re:Scsi Cable Dave Gostl wrote to Ross Maciver: DG> I don't know the exact pin to pin configuration, but on a 50 pin cable DG> every other wire is ground. So its very easy to make the cable you need. DG> All you need to know is which wire is ground in the 25 pin cable. That means that I'll have 25 wires attached to one pin? Thanks for the info. Ross ___ * Kivi 2.03 * A vivid and creative mind characterizes you. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2F00004 Date: 02/09/98 From: VIKRAM BHATIJA Time: 05:40pm \/To: ROSS MACIVER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Sitar midi file -=> Quoting Ross Maciver to Graeme Jaye <=- RM> Graeme Jaye wrote to Vikram Bhatija: RM> I believe there was one on the stock M1. I haven't had an M1 for RM> quite a while, but I know I had a fairly decent sitar sound either RM> stock or third party. Well Ross, is there any place on the Net where I cud find a few gud midi files of Sitar? - Vikram Bhatija - Email: Vikram@bitsmart.com Vikram Bhatija @ Delhi Online BBS ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Delhi Online <5578535/36> -=[New Delhi/India]=- (6:606/26) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2F00005 Date: 02/09/98 From: YANNICK BOUCHER Time: 01:28pm \/To: GRAEME JAYE (Read 1 times) Subj: Digital recording DS> I need to be able to send CD-quality music to software DS> companies, and as we all know, audio tape isn't quite cut out DS> for it. Options I know of are DAT, MiniDisk, DCC GJ> You can forget about the last two - both use compression algorithms GJ> to squeeze the data into the space available and are, by definition, GJ> not of 'CD quality' as you requested. DCC uses compression? I didn't know that... (well, actually, I didn't know DCC was still an option... I have yet to see one! (really!)) ... Experience is directly proportional to ruined equipment. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2F00006 Date: 02/11/98 From: ROSS MACIVER Time: 08:18am \/To: VIKRAM BHATIJA (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Sitar midi file Vikram Bhatija wrote to Ross Maciver: VB> Well Ross, is there any place on the Net where I cud find a few gud VB> midi files of Sitar? Sorry, I can't help you there. I make my own MIDI files. If I had more knowledge of Indian music I would attempt a transcription for you. That's an interesting idea actually....trying to duplicate a recording of sitar on synthesizer.... Where are those Audio-to-MIDI converters when you need them? Ross ___ * Kivi 2.03 * Kin: An affliction of the blood --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2G00000 Date: 02/10/98 From: DARRYL SLOAN Time: 11:34am \/To: GRAEME JAYE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Yamaha MU-10 query On 05 Feb 98 Graeme Jaye wrote to me: [MU-10] DS>> Agh! I paid 200 for mine. GJ> Way of the world, I'm afraid. How much did you pay for your computer - GJ> and what could you get for it today (assuming it's over a year or so GJ> old)? 550 when I bought it. Probably 80 quid now, if I'm lucky. It's an Amiga! GJ> I know what the answer is here - and it's frightening how much I have GJ> lost. I have to say, this MU10 is brilliant! It has totally transformed my computer's audio capability. _______ ___ __ \ / Fido: Darryl Sloan, 2:443/13.96 / H E \/\/ I E Mail: darryl.sloan@thog.piglets.com \_______________ Site: www.btinternet.com/~t.forde/ds_page/darryl.htm --- Spot 1.3 Unregistered * Origin: Millenium Falcon (2:443/13.96) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2G00001 Date: 02/10/98 From: CHRIS ARMSTRONG Time: 09:48pm \/To: DARRYL SLOAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Digital recording On 02-04-98 DARRYL SLOAN wrote to ALL... DS> I wanting to find out how I can reecord music digitally with a minimum DS> of DS> expense. I need to be able to send CD-quality music to software DS> companies, and DS> as we all know, audio tape isn't quite cut out for it. DS> DS> Options I know of are DAT, MiniDisk, DCC, but something else occurred DS> to me. If DS> I hook up a 16-sampler to my computer, and record my music directly to DS> the hard DS> drive (or to ZIP disk maybe) as a WAV file, or similar, won't that do DS> the DS> trick? It also saves me the potential hassle of dealing with a company DS> which DS> doesn't have the same music hardware as me. DS> DS> Has anyone tried anything like this out? Any problems I'm overlooking? Have you ever heard of hard disk recording? well, let me tell you. There are many programs on the market today made for recording digital audio into your computer and making songs with it. Basically what they do is every time you record a part, it makes a wave file. When you play the song, it plays each wave file in time and you can loop it or do whatever. If you want, you can compile all the waves into one big file, or burn it onto a cd or whatever media you had in mind. All you have to have is a big hard drive and a good processor. A couple gig and a P166 at the least. -=-chris-=- ... OFFLINE 1.50 "You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive." --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: Maltese Alien * Carnegie, PA USA * (412) 279-9561 * (1:129/41) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2G00002 Date: 02/08/98 From: JAMES BRADLEY Time: 09:26am \/To: GRAEME JAYE (Read 1 times) Subj: Sitar midi file On or about 05 Feb 98 16:36:31, Graeme Jaye did utter Sitar midi file to Vikram Bhatija. Greetings Graeme GJ> On 03-Feb-98 at 20:00:02, Vikram Bhatija wrote to All about Sitar GJ> midi file VB> I am looking music file in midi format of Sitar GJ> I don't think you have quite grasped the midi concept. A midi I'm not sure you grasped the spirit of the question, Graeme. The user wanted to find a MIDI file written specifically for a sitar. I've got a sitar patch on my GUS sound card, as well as tabla patches as well as other Eastern sounds. I'm sure there are files written to exploit those, but like you, I've never heard of one. Granted, for a realistic sitar sound, there should be more than one sample of the instrument. I suppose the authors didn't anticipate much call for that sort of thing. On the pitch bending and vibrato issue, as with any MIDI file, you get out of it what you put into it. GJ> Come to think of it, I don't ever recall seeing a sitar patch on GJ> *any* synth - although I am sure someone will write and tell me GJ> otherwise . I predict with COSM synth engines, the issue of sound quality/quantity of samples will blur. james.bradley@t8000.com James Bradley (Sysop) 1:134/213.0 ... Anal retentive people don't give a crap. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 * Origin: SOS BBS [Calgary, Alberta] (1:134/213) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2K00000 Date: 02/15/98 From: JAY JOSE Time: 03:12pm \/To: BILLY CONNELLY (Read 1 times) Subj: WinGroove Hi, BC> a Register me message every 5 seconds.. BC> There is also a yamaha prog very similar but not crippled.. BC> I liked them so musch I bought an Awe64 :-) And that BC> blew the wavetable synths out the window Yah, mine already expired too. I'm wondering what yamaha program you're talking about that does the same thing. I'm interested in getting a hold of it if there is a shareware version. Cya JJ --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Basic'ly Computers: Mooo-ing Right Along. (1:153/9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: F2K00001 Date: 02/15/98 From: DAVE GOSTL Time: 07:30pm \/To: ROSS MACIVER (Read 1 times) Subj: RE:SCSI CABLE In a message of 02-10-98, Ross Maciver writes: RM> That means that I'll have 25 wires attached to one pin? I'm guessing it would have 24 pins not connected, with only 1 for ground. My cable has molded plugs, so I can't take a look inside. _ 3 Dave Gostl 7 847 78% 1:396/44 *!!!* http://www.sstar.com/d/ ... Evade me, David /// ReJoinDer v1.4 ( Registered ) --- PCBoard (R) v15.23/M 2 * Origin: The French Quarter 504-891-1388 Fido:1:396/44 (1:396/44)