--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3J00003 Date: 03/12/97 From: GERRY CLARK Time: 10:15pm \/To: CLINT SAVAGE (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: SOUNDCARDS R US Hi Clint, how's things? 08-Mar-97 07:59:33, Clint Savage wrote to Gerry Clark Subject: RE: SOUNDCARDS R US CS> Here! Here! Where? Where? -=> Yours sincerely, Gerry Clark <=- --- Terminate 3.00/Pro * Origin: Flight of Fantasy (2:259/36.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3K00000 Date: 03/13/97 From: RICHARD JORDAN Time: 08:14pm \/To: MARK WILLIAMS (Read 2 times) Subj: Classical Music On Mar 11 15:35 97, Mark Williams of 2:250/210 wrote: MW> Good to hear it! The only let down, I've found, with sequencing organ music MW> is the lack of variety on the GS map. However, I have found that playing MW> patch 20 (Church Organ 1) at a quiet volume does make it sound quite MW> different from when playing it at full volume. I don't generally do gs or gm, except to share... most of what I do is aimed at my jv1080, and generally use all of my parts and polyphony - how else can you do organ registration changes? which is why that "stuff" is so hard to share, for while it mostly uses stock patches, it usually also uses 2 expansion boards [or someimes 3] the good thing is that it sounds very close to a pipe organ,... the limiting factor of course is when you listen to a pipe organ you are in effect inside the speaker cabinet, and I have nothing to compare with that... you can "improve" the organ sound in gs in a variety of ways... on an sc55 or better there are the other churchorgan patches, banks 8 & 16 as I remember... and you can get better texture with layers, flute, piccolo and recorder at low levels are quite nice for the baroque sound, and soft strings can generate the "romantic" sound... of course doing this can easily use up available polyphony, depending on what you are using... Regards, Richard. --- Msgedsq 3.20 * Origin: Exegete's Haven RBBS from Ocheyedan Iowa (1:14/624) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3K00001 Date: 03/12/97 From: MIKE PUGH Time: 08:19am \/To: NANCY WOOD (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Save the conferences On 08 Mar 97 21:04:00, Nancy Wood said the following to Mike Pugh: MP> "Who's the chick whining about the keys?" I can hear it now.. NW> NW> Might have been something that most of them would have said if it weren't f NW> the fact they had not been satisfied with the action either and didn't know NW> anything could be done about it UNTIL I stated how shoddy the action was on NW> couple of 'brand-new' CP-70's I had to use in some shows that a host band NW> would provide most of the stage equipment, minus of course, the 'axes'. In NW> fact, one CP-70's action was so stiff that when I did a glissando, the NW> knuckles and several fingers were tore up and bleeding. I had to get NW> band-aids (after a plea for "medic" half-jokingly from stage.). Then the NW> owner of said new CP-70 asked Jon "Can anything be done about the stiffness NW> Ouch! I have torn a knuckle or two in venues where I was playing something other than my own stuff. We did a festival a bunch of years ago ahead of Jan Dean, and they had a grand piano on stage. Well, we were doing a 50's thing t the time, with a lot of Jerry Lee Lewis stuff thrown in. Being used to plastic, I was bleeding profusely by the time our show was over! :-) MP> Gee, think we should move this discussion to the WACKO_EXS MP> echo? mp NW> NW> Maybe we ought to set that one up... Wanna Moderate? NW> Hell no! I had enough of that crap the last time I tried to be noble and save an echo. mp --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Since March 13, 1986, The Ashland Connection BBS (1:262/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00000 Date: 03/15/97 From: MIKE PUGH Time: 09:13am \/To: GERRY CLARK (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Soundcards R Us On 12 Mar 97 22:12:28, Gerry Clark said the following to Mike Pugh: GC> GC>> My soundcards are, by definition, music synthesisers which slot nto GC> GC>> a PC. They are controlled by MIDI messages and are therefore very GC> GC>> definitely MIDI musical instruments and, as such, are valid topics GC> GC>> for discussion in this echo. GC> GC> MP> I believe you. You are correct. Geesh, sorry I brought it up. mp GC> GC> It's ok Mike, I forgive you. You can get up off your knees now and... GC> ...eccchhhh, stop drooling on my boots. GC> Oh, sorry. Can I polish them to make it up to you? :-) mp --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Since March 13, 1986, The Ashland Connection BBS (1:262/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00001 Date: 03/13/97 From: ANDY WISHART Time: 10:12am \/To: DAVE GOSTL (Read 2 times) Subj: RE:SOUNDCARDS R US On (10 Mar 97) Dave Gostl wrote to Andy Wishart... Hi Dave, DG> Most of us that use real midi devices go back a few years, when you DG> twisted knobs and hit buttons to get ->EXACTLY<- the sound you wanted. DG> The newer soundcards are convienent, but try playing Edgar Winter's DG> Frankenstien on a soundcard. Actually, I'd be pretty impressed if you could do a credible emulation of EW's Frankenstein on any midi setup. I'm afraid that no matter what I use, I've got a long ways to go before I reach that stage. Thanks for the memory by the way, I've just nipped off and listened to that for the first time in about 15 years. Due a bit of sampling, methinks. AW> I've had no interest in midi until I started learning about it AW> through my soundcards and am now looking at getting some more AW> (perhaps more traditional) equipment that I can hook into my omputer. DG> Well its a start :-) Yep. Mind you, I've done the soundtracks on several independent films with this limited setup and am finishing off another now. A problem I find, though, is getting a sufficiently separated mix. It could be my limited experience in mixing but I'm beginning to suspect that sourcing all the sounds from one place leads to a certain muddiness. AW> I've recently got a Yamaha SW60XG myself and am struggling my way AW> through system exclusive commands to control various synth settings AW> (the variation selections and sending precise control events are DG> Thats what the knobs and dials and buttons and sliders on a ->REAL<- DG> midi device are for. Yeah? You see, all these -actual- controls . . . it's just too much, mate. I'd never be able to decide - Is it a knob? Is it a dial? Actually, the XG editing software is pretty jam-packed with knobs and dials but I have to admit it would be nice to have hands-on access to them rather than mouse-on. Cheers for now, Andy --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: The noise, my dear, and the people (2:440/222.36) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00002 Date: 03/13/97 From: ANDY WISHART Time: 10:21am \/To: GERRY CLARK (Read 2 times) Subj: Soundcards R Us On (04 Mar 97) Gerry Clark wrote to Andy Wishart... Hi Gerry, AW> It should be remembered that there are probably many more people whose AW> experience (albeit perhaps limited) of midi comes directly from omputers AW> and soundcards. GC> I have a hardware sequencer (built into my XP-50) but I rarely use it GC> since I get more flexibility and visual cues from my PC monitor. A mate of mine who uses midi (without computers) is beginning to become interested in computers since he saw the control he could have over his compositions when using a sequencer like Cakewalk Audio. Although, Dave points out the advantages of hands-on and live knob tweaking (well he didn't but I imagine he would) I reckon it would be fairly difficult to set up such precise controls as tempo, pan, volume, crossfading, patch control, etc in a live environment. AW> do you know much about these commands? The help supplied from the help AW> files and stuff I downloaded from the Yamaha site is fairly complex in AW> this respect. GC> I find SysEx can be either very complex or totally invisible GC> depending on what applications I'm using. If you ask me a more GC> specific question I'll try to help. Perhaps it's the software (Cakewak Pro Audio). I can't switch on the variation to system from a sysex command. I can call up the editing software and switch it in manually or play about with it during playback but I'd prefer if I could control it direct from the sequencer (as you should be able to do). If I place a control event (number 94) in the event editor it doesn't work because the synth is still switched to Insert and I can't find the control event which would switch this over to System. Does that make any sense? Any clues? Cheers for now, Andy --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: The noise, my dear, and the people (2:440/222.36) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00003 Date: 03/13/97 From: MARK WILLIAMS Time: 04:26am \/To: CLINT SAVAGE (Read 2 times) Subj: CLASSICAL MUSIC -=> Quoting Clint Savage to Mark Williams <=- CS> Mark, I'm NOT a programmer but would be interested how/what software CS> you use for input!. Hi Clint, For years I used Cubase on the Atari ST computer then switched over to Cubase Score on the PC. Because I mainly sequence classical music the score editing facility is my main concern and Cubase fills this requirement admirably. I've also tinkered about with CakeWalk Audio and prefer the tempo input facility than that of Cubase where it has to be done manually! I program for GS (Roland Sound Canvas) but all my programming will play on GM instruments with a little care in the setting up of partial reserves and reverb etc... all these are explained in accompanying text files. My work is currently on sale at Heavenly Music here in the UK and also Pro Midi BFP in sunny Blackpool! CS> I enjoy good sequencing Garyw001 (AOL and elsewhere) dose good CS> bigband type things. and I found a partial of the piano of Rapisody in CS> Blue, but the programmer wanted $20 for the full "Piano" score. GaryW CS> did a nice "borge & Bess medely". I too like big band arrangements but haven't tackled them myself. If you are interested in any of my files I do have available demo files of all my work. If you would care to suggest a method of getting them to you I would be only too pleased. Hope to speak to you further. MARK. --- Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Xstream 44-151-488-0698 V21-V34+ [OS2 v4/Max3.01/Md1.10] (2:250/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00004 Date: 03/15/97 From: CLINT SAVAGE Time: 08:13am \/To: GERRY CLARK (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: SOUNDCARDS R US Oh poo! Was commenting on the bit that soundcards should be a part of this echo! Clint --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: 24th Street Exchange * A BBS Since 1983 * 916.448.2483 (1:203/52) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00005 Date: 03/15/97 From: GERRY CLARK Time: 03:48pm \/To: ANDY WISHART (Read 2 times) Subj: Soundcards R Us Hi Andy, how's things? 13-Mar-97 10:21:28, Andy Wishart wrote to Gerry Clark Subject: Soundcards R Us AW> A mate of mine who uses midi (without computers) is beginning to become AW> interested in computers since he saw the control he could have over his AW> compositions when using a sequencer like Cakewalk Audio. Although, Dave AW> points out the advantages of hands-on and live knob tweaking (well he AW> didn't but I imagine he would) I reckon it would be fairly difficult to AW> set AW> up such precise controls as tempo, pan, volume, crossfading, patch AW> control, AW> etc in a live environment. I wouldn't even think about it. Virtual knobs and live performance don't go together. AW> Perhaps it's the software (Cakewak Pro Audio). I can't switch on the AW> variation to system from a sysex command. I can call up the editing AW> software and switch it in manually or play about with it during playback AW> but I'd prefer if I could control it direct from the sequencer (as you AW> should be able to do). If I place a control event (number 94) in the AW> event AW> editor it doesn't work because the synth is still switched to Insert and AW> I AW> can't find the control event which would switch this over to System. AW> Does that make any sense? Any clues? Does your synth support this function? Perhaps you need to alter a parameter in the synth itself. That's pretty wooly I know but that's the best I can come up with. -=> Yours sincerely, Gerry Clark <=- --- Terminate 3.00/Pro * Origin: Flight of Fantasy (2:259/36.27) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: E3L00006 Date: 03/17/97 From: RICH LOCKYER Time: 01:24am \/To: GERRY CLARK (Read 2 times) Subj: Soundcards R Us Hello Gerry! On 15 Mar 97, Gerry Clark wrote to Andy Wishart: AW>> fairly difficult to set up such precise controls as tempo, pan, AW>> volume, crossfading, patch control, etc in a live environment. GC> I wouldn't even think about it. Virtual knobs and live performance on't GC> go together. One of the guys over in the GUITAR echo, Gary McGill, does an outstanding live one-man-show that's a virtual clone of his studio CD, which is excellent. Live, he sings and plays guitar and the guitar leads... everything else is done through his laptop and a synth. C-ya! Rich --- GoldED 2.40 * Origin: Colossus Galactica, (909)590-2121 HST/DS/14.4k (1:218/704)