--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDR00010 Date: 09/21/96 From: JAMES KOONS Time: 12:41am \/To: DORIAN DARCOURT (Read 3 times) Subj: PC -> Atari Hi Dorian! 15 Sep 96 21:48, quoting Dorian Darcourt to James Koons: DD> You need to transfer standard MIDI files, don't you? Anyway, you sure DD> can transfer or convert audio files from both computers. On the Atari, DD> the cheaper way is to use '525' which handles avr,wav,aiff,au,snd and DD> others specific formats. Well, I have *.MID files that I have either created or collected off the Net and so forth. Volker (my German producer) was at the house and was listening to them and wanted to have some. The only problem is that he's got only Atari's at his studio right now, pending the delivery of his Mac. I have found out now through MIDI-NET that I can read PC formatted 720k diskettes in the Atari. This makes things easier. The thing is, they are all standard MIDI files, and I am wondering how this Atari software will handle them. He's using a program called Notator I think. DD> Here are some ftp sites where to find it (extracted from the DD> comp.sys.atari.st newsgroup): Thanks for the list! Maybe I'll be able to find some other usefull stuff on these sites. DD> or on any good Atari board ;) Something that there's none of in Germany... :( Later..... JK jk@formatters.mediaserve.de The Terminal Team ... Get too many irons in your fire and you'll put it out. --- GoldED/386 2.50+ [JK] * Origin: The Formatter's BBS Stuttgart, Germany +49-711-9018738 2:246/1425) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDR00011 Date: 09/21/96 From: JAMES KOONS Time: 12:46am \/To: BAS SCHEFFERS (Read 3 times) Subj: PC -> Atari Hi Bas! 18 Sep 96 17:50, quoting Bas Scheffers to James Koons: BS> The Atari and PC are file compatible. If you format your floppy 720K BS> on you PC it should work ok. PCs can also read disks that are BS> formatted on an STe. There are some exceptions, where a file writen on BS> a disk formatted by one machine cant be read by the other. It's very BS> weird, but in a few tries you should definatly get it working. Yeah, going to try this out tomorrow! Thanks for the info! Later..... JK jk@formatters.mediaserve.de The Terminal Team ... Windows: From the people who brought you EDLIN! --- GoldED/386 2.50+ [JK] * Origin: The Formatter's BBS Stuttgart, Germany +49-711-9018738 2:246/1425) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDR00012 Date: 09/21/96 From: JAMES KOONS Time: 12:47am \/To: WILL (Read 3 times) Subj: PC -> Atari Hi Will! 14 Sep 96 08:44, quoting Will to James Koons: W> Use 720k disks on the pc and you can directly send MIDI files from one W> machine to another. The atari was designed to be able to use them. Thanks! Sounds easy enough! W> Enjoy the Atari when you get it... they are fun machines! Yeah, I've played around with one in a friend's studio and it's kinda neat. I can't wait to get it. Later..... JK jk@formatters.mediaserve.de The Terminal Team ... Dead people are cool --- GoldED/386 2.50+ [JK] * Origin: The Formatter's BBS Stuttgart, Germany +49-711-9018738 2:246/1425) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDR00013 Date: 09/22/96 From: JAMES KOONS Time: 02:48am \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Hammond Players Hi All! A while ago I thought that I saw some folks writing about Hammonds in here. Well, if there's any Hammond players out there, it would be great if you'd drop a line. A friend of mine has no Fido access (yet) and is quite a well known Hammond player here in Germany. He's really iterested in the setups people are using in the USA and other parts of the world. He himself owns five Hammond organs and five Leslies not to mention over 30 synths and countless modules. I guess you could say he's kinda a vintage collector.... :) Anyway, I'm trying to drum up his interest in buying a PC....hihihihi... I've already showed him the MIDI-NET and he seems quite interested... Right now he's using Atari computers for all his sequencing. He does a lot of studio work too, and has giged with a few prominent folks. Another note of interest for Hammond freaks, he's also a member of the German Hammond Nostalga Club (or something of that nature). So if your also a Hammond freak, drop a line and I'll pass it to him. Eventually he'll be set with his own Fido access, too... Thanks in advance. Later..... JK jk@formatters.mediaserve.de The Terminal Team ... Freedom is for everyone. Or no one. --- GoldED/386 2.50+ [JK] * Origin: The Formatter's BBS Stuttgart, Germany +49-711-9018738 2:246/1425) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDR00014 Date: 09/20/96 From: BOB BLOUNT Time: 06:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Rates Just being nosy here - if you do studio work or midi programming for pay, please read on. If not, just go on to the next message and nobody gets hurt. :-) I'm wondering what folks around here charge for the various services we provide. Here are my usual rates.... ----------Session work (as a bassist or percussionist):---------- $50 for the first hour, $30 per hour after that. I always arrive 30 minutes early, but don't bill for that 30 minutes. Nor do I bill for "tear-down" time after a session, UNLESS the client has had me do both bass and percussion work. ($100 absolute minimum payment, even if the session only lasts 10 minutes.) 10% discount for cash - but only if they ask me if I offer a cash discount. I don't offer the discount to avoid paying taxes, I offer it to avoid accepting a check from a stranger. Some studios are better than others about helping musicians collect on bad checks. I'll drop my charges by up to 25% if it's an INSTRUMENTAL jazz session because I enjoy the music so much. I increase them (to $75 and $50, re- spectively) if it's a rap or country session. (If you've ever done either kind of session, you know why! If you've never done either one, congratu- lations!) Since I don't do studio work solely for a living, I can afford to charge more for sessions I really don't want, knowing that I may lose that session to someone who charges less. AFAIC, they can have it! ----------Midi programming---------- (Background music for corporate films, demo tapes, jingles etc.) My pricing for this has several components/options. Everything quoted below assumes that I can do all of the work in my studio at home, except where noted otherwise. 1) Sometimes, if it's a simple and VERY predictable project, I'll just quote a flat rate. (However, items #3 and 4 below also apply.) If I'm not comfortable with a flat rate, then it's on to option #2... 2) $25 per hour of programming. Included in this fee: One "pre- recording" meeting where I discuss the project with the client. Also included: One "post-recording" meeting - after I've finished doing the composing/arranging I'll put it all on a DAT, invite the client over to my house, and play the DAT for him. I'll make changes in the music as requested: One hour of free "rewrite time" for every three hours I was originally paid for. (It's better to present the material to the client on a DAT because if you turn on your computer and start playing the files, you'll end up being asked to edit on the spot - "Can't you just make a little change there? It'll only take a minute..." But in NO case do I ever GIVE the client a DAT or cassette of the music. If they wanna hear it, they've got to come to my place and listen to it here.) 3) Rewrites and/or remixes above and beyond those described in Item 2 are billed at $25 an hour. About rewrites: If I've done the music for a film and have been told that "this is the final version of the film," and then it turns out that it WASN'T the final version (which happens at least 50% of the time), I bill rewriting/re-arranging/etc. from the FIRST hour, rather than "one hour of free rewrite time for every 3 hours I was originally paid for." Or I may quote a flat fee: "I'll make all the changes you requested for $X. Any changes beyond that are $25 per hour." I take the time to explain to them that even if they've only added or cut 1/2 second from the film, it means that I have to move everything from that point on. Multiple cuts and/or additions mean multiple "relocations" or "stretching" or "shrinking" of musical material. (I don't tell them how easy it is to do that with Cakewalk...) :-) 4) If I can give the finished product to the client on a DAT tape, those are all of the charges. But if the client wants me to haul my gear to another studio to lay down tracks, it's $150 to show up plus $30 for each hour I spend at the studio, with a total of $250 as my absolute minimum charge, even if the session is only an hour long. I'm quite up-front with clients about this: "I'd much prefer not to have to tear down my computer and half of my studio, haul it across town, set it up, do the session, tear it down again, haul it across town again, and set it up again at home. So if you ask me to do that, I'm going to charge a lot of money for it. I can produce a very high-quality DAT for you here in my studio....I suggest you consider that option as it would save you both time and money." 5) If they want the finished product as .WAV and/or .MID files on "portable media" (i.e., DAT tape or Jaz cartridge) I charge the cost of the media plus $25. (Exception: If it's just a few small .MID files that I can put on a floppy, I won't charge extra for that.) So, how do you structure your fees in comparison to mine? Of course, I realize that to an extent the fees are determined by where you live - for example, EVERYTHING in New York or L.A. costs more. I'm in K.C., one of the lowest-cost places to live in the entire country. Never- theless... How is everyone else handling these issues? Netmail: (1:280/333) robertb@sound.net "I think I raised taxes too much." - Bill Clinton, 10/18/95 * 1st 2.00 #8029 * Graduate of Darth Vader school of Personnel Mgmt. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff013/c] * Origin: Sound Advice - 24 Nodes (816)436-4516 (1:280/333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDR00015 Date: 09/20/96 From: BOB BLOUNT Time: 07:54pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Offline! I have several online friends in this conference with whom I correspond by email. If you've sent me email since Sunday, September 15, I have not been able to see it or reply to it. The Internet Service Provider I use decided to "upgrade" something-or-other, and the result is that users who use Trumpet Winsock cannot connect with sound.net! (ARRGGHH) I have no idea if or when this will be resolved - I may end up going to another ISP. Calls to sound.net's tech support have been useless so far. You *MAY* be able to get internet email to me at the following address: bob.blount@sound.com I'll probably get your message - eventually. It could take anywhere from a few hours to a couple of weeks. (Long story.) Anyway, I didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring their email. Whatever you've sent me since 9/15 is sitting there on one of sound.net's email servers, but I can't get it right now. Hopefully this situation will be very short-lived. If anyone knows of a replacement for Trumpet Winsock that will accept an MTU value of 1524 while running under Windows 3.x, please let me know! (Trumpet Winsock will not accept values larger than 1500.) robertb@sound.net "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke * 1st 2.00 #8029 * Train stations: Where trains stop. Work stations...??? --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff013/c] * Origin: Sound Advice - 24 Nodes (816)436-4516 (1:280/333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDS00000 Date: 09/22/96 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 06:12pm \/To: MARKELL MOSS (Read 3 times) Subj: Help With Studio! Markell, MM>Nancy Wood visited my music studio, saying: MM> MM>NW> Amen to that ... I've got an Orchid Soundwave 32bit Plus Sound card MM>NW> and although it's not $695, it's a lot better than a Sandblaster! (I MM>NW> love it - the term!) I've done some 16-bit and 8-bit sampled .wav MM> MM>Perhaps I shouldn't say that too often, being moderator of the echo that MM>discusses sound cards of "SandBlaster" nature. [egrin] MM>Of course, I'm also incredibly spoiled by my Roland SC-88 and would never MM>give it up. (Unless of course, I go to a sampler...) :) MM> MM>NW> files and sent them to some friends who had Soundblaster 8 bits or 16 MM>NW> bits and some of the folks couldn't even listen to the .wavs; but the MM>NW> folks who had better quality sound cards didn't have a problem at all MM>NW> listening to the .wavs. MM> MM>WAV files are no big deal and usually sound the same on any sound card MM>capable of digital sound. How clean it comes out is another story. :) MM>The quality of MIDI music is the big thing- and where SandBlaster almost MM>ALWAYS falls short. The AWE32, MIDI/WAVEBlaster and other CL General MIDI MM>peripherals have been reviewed as nearly bottom of the barrel. MM>(Of course, the gaming magazines and some computer mags rate them higher MM>simply because they have no knowledge of music hardware, and have probably MM>never heard a Sound Canvas- they only know it sounds better than their MM>old OPL-3 FM synthesizer chip.) :) I know what you mean. One of my customers just bought a multimedia kit and I told him, "For your needs (games and the internet), the AWE and other type sound cards is okay... but if you were into doing music composition or other type stuff with your card, you'd have to pay more for just a sound card to do what you want than you've paid for this entire multimedia kit with cdrom, sound card and 160 watt speakers!" He said, "But I want a top of the line setup!" I asked him if he was willing to pay $250 or more to be even in contention for just a middle of the road sound card... Course, his response was: "Geesh! I don't wanna pay that much just for a card! You say that's only middle of the road? What's the cadillac?" That's when I showed him the message posted recently about the new Turtle series (Kurzweil stuff). He said, "I'll just stick to gaming and surfing the net!" MM>There's some really nice sound cards coming out these days though- ones MM>that the guys in here could really appreciate. One, particularly, has MM>my attention. Based on the Kurzweil MASS(?) system, it can hold up MM>to 96 megabytes of RAM, accepts patches from almost any music company's MM>sound libraries, and is clean as can be. Truly, an artist's hardware. MM>[grin] I wonder if I can pull some strings to get my hands on one... I saw a post from someone about those new ones! Ummm... Grovel... Me too! Me too! ___ * UniQWK v4.2 * The Windows Mail Reader --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue * San Antonio, TX * 210-333-0060 (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDS00001 Date: 09/22/96 From: ARNIE GROSS Time: 10:44am \/To: KELLY KEYS (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Still seeking Yamaha DX-7 Hello Kelly! 16 Sep 96 12:15, Kelly Keys wrote to Arnie Gross: AG> I'll let it go for $425 - no cards, patch cords, AG> accessories, or travel case. Just the keyboard. KK> I'll keep you in mind!! OK - I'll be leaving Fido within a few weeks. If you should decide to get in touch, you'll have to use either the phone or InterNet EMail. (203) 746-1195 (M-F, 9-5) or 746-1727 (eves to 11PM, weekends) arnie_g@snet.net - Arnie :+} --- GoldED/386 2.50 UNREG * Origin: Country Fair Software Support (1:141/950.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDS00002 Date: 09/16/96 From: RICK MASSEY Time: 06:43pm \/To: KELLY KEYS (Read 3 times) Subj: Still seeking Yamaha DX-7 > RM> part with money when I just "Gotta" have something....) 214-718-4044, r > RM> 972-718-4044 after the 14th of Sept. Tell em Rick, Mr. Analog sent ya.. > >Hmmm.... are they re-locating after that date? Thanks for the info! No, they changed our fraggin' area code..... --- WWIVGate 1.12c * Origin: Reynard's Keep*(214)387-8330*North Central Texas*(1:124/5015) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 151 MIDI-NET Ref: DDT00000 Date: 09/23/96 From: JIM STAAL Time: 10:50am \/To: JAMES KOONS (Read 3 times) Subj: Hammond Players On (22 Sep 96) James Koons wrote to All... JK> Hi All! Howdy. JK> A while ago I thought that I saw some folks writing about Hammonds in JK> here. Well, if there's any Hammond players out there, it would be JK> great if you'd drop a line. Played Hammond organ in rock bands from late 60's to late 70's. I currently own a mahogany 1954 vintage B-3 and a blonde M-3 about the same age, as well as Leslie 145 and 147. I current use a Korg CX-3 drawbar organ in my live act (one-man-band. No roadie. ) however to save my aging back. Use the B-3 in the studio. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: The Control Room (1:228/45.5)