--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00004 Date: 09/15/97 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 11:44am \/To: RONALD BARNES (Read 2 times) Subj: Helmet Nazis I see your point Ronald that in a bike ride that holds over 15 000 riders the risks of accidents do soar. There are all sorts of riders from the experienced to the novice. Those that are strong riders may not have the know-how to ride in a pack. The longer the tour the greater chance of mishap do to tired riders making bad decisions. Helmets here - yup I agree. Here in Quebec, Canada we also have a bike tour in Montreal on the first sunday of June. 45 000 riders moving along the island of Montreal. You should come try it. Forms go out the beginning of April, first to send them in make it in. After 45 000 forms are accepted the rest are refused. The organizers want to keep it that size and no more. The Tour is called Le Tour de l'Ile de Montreal (french). I believe this is the largest bike gathering outside of China. Richard G. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00005 Date: 09/15/97 From: GARY HENDERSON Time: 09:51pm \/To: RAY SHANNON (Read 2 times) Subj: Helmet Nazis RS> Most accidents are known to occur within a short distance of home. I agree with you and your statements... The reason most accidents occur near home is because when was the last time you were 2 blocks away? When was the last time you were 75 miles away? And every time you go 75 miles away, when you come home, you have to be 2 blocks away at some point in your trip in order to return. GH * WCE 2.1G1/2251 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00006 Date: 09/15/97 From: GARY HENDERSON Time: 09:52pm \/To: J CLEVENGER (Read 2 times) Subj: HELMET NAZIS JC> There is a multi-billion dollar industry that promotes over-eating and JC> obesity in the United States. Twinkies and McDonalds are under no ban. JC> Fat people are not required to wear muzzles when they enter McDonalds, even JC> though they cost the State more money to treat their heart disease in a JC> single year in the United States than all the of the head injuries world JC> wide for the past 37 years. Seriously, the food you put in your mouth is because you want to do so. I myself have no weight problem and have little tolerance for those who say they just can't help it as they eat a Big Mac or Whopper.. I'll eat all the Big Macs I want, cause I don't have the weight problem... THe problem with bikes though is that most riders are safe, but even when riding down a hill, etc, crazy stuff can happen like a flat tire, a car passing too closely to you, etc, that would cause you to crash.. GH * WCE 2.1G1/2251 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00007 Date: 09/15/97 From: GARY HENDERSON Time: 09:55pm \/To: J CLEVENGER (Read 2 times) Subj: HELMETS JC> I cannot see a public safety issue in uncovered genitalia. The exposed JC> genitals are not likely to veer off the road and kill a pedestrian, and f JC> enough people ran around nude, the shock value would soon wear off and ou JC> wouldn't get rubber-necking driver either. JC> Anyway, the rules for most clothing are rules based on enforced modesty, JC> not a personal safety issue. I'm sure that there is some personal safety issues in clothing as well. I know I wouldn't want to be sitting bare-ass in the grass, on benches and doing work with no clothes on.. Do you wear a batting helmet or cup when playing baseball? GH * WCE 2.1G1/2251 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fresh Start BBS * Edison NJ * (732) 248-1678 * (1:107/310.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00008 Date: 09/15/97 From: J CLEVENGER Time: 11:30pm \/To: BARRY AUSTERN (Read 2 times) Subj: Helmet Nazis BA> That really would be a Kroc of you know what :-) Yes, a Ray Kroc if memory serves. :-) --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00009 Date: 09/16/97 From: J CLEVENGER Time: 08:35pm \/To: GARY HENDERSON (Read 2 times) Subj: HELMET NAZIS GH> Seriously, the food you put in your mouth is GH> because you want to do so. I If the government can control what type of "hat" you wear on your head, why not let the government control what type of food you put into your body? After all, it's for your own good. And the results of personal negligence may cost the government some money if you become ill. Big Brother is your friend. GH> problem... THe problem with GH> bikes though is that most riders are safe, but even Perhaps the government will decide that all riders will be safe once they are protected by 4 walls and a roof.... they can just as easily ban bicycles in the out of doors. Let people ride stationary bikes, because it's not transportation, it's just a recreational activity, a sport. Personally, I prefer the government to confine it's safety regulations to those circumstances in which I may cause harm to another. I do not wish the government to decide how safely I must treat my own body. My body belongs to me, not to the government, and that includes my head. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00010 Date: 09/16/97 From: J CLEVENGER Time: 08:43pm \/To: GARY HENDERSON (Read 2 times) Subj: The nude bike ride for American Patriots20:43:4809/16/97 GH> I'm sure that there is some personal safety issues GH> in clothing as well. I GH> know I wouldn't want to be sitting bare-ass in the GH> grass, on benches and GH> doing work with no clothes on.. If that were true, then people would be allowed to go nude in the United States when they were not doing unsafe activities, and yet, people are required to wear clothes whenever in public. I really think it is a religious issue, not a public safety issue. GH> Do you wear a batting helmet or cup when playing baseball? I wear all kinds of protective gear all the time when doing all sorts of activities. Keep in mind, I'm not against safety gear. I'm not against helmets. What I am against is government regulations that decide what I may do with my own body. I want to be able to choose whether or not to ride a bike with a helmet on my head. And for that matter, it wouldn't bother me if people rode their bicycles in the nude either. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00011 Date: 09/16/97 From: J CLEVENGER Time: 08:49pm \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 2 times) Subj: Helmet Nazis RG> them in make it in. After 45 000 forms are accepted RG> the rest are refused. The organizers want to keep RG> it that size and no more. The Tour is called Le RG> Tour de l'Ile de Montreal (french). I believe this RG> is the largest bike gathering outside of China. Helmets required? ;) --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00012 Date: 09/10/97 From: J CLEVENGER Time: 07:59pm \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 2 times) Subj: Accident RG> when it comes to wearing a helmet on a bike. If I RG> am on a quiet country road with no cars around RG> riding slowly along I feel that I can ride without RG> a helmet. If I'm cycling with my team at 35-40km/hr RG> inches away from the rider ahead on a road that may RG> have car traffic - hey that helmet is on my head. RG> We need to decipher one situation from another as I agree 100%. Well said. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: EDM00013 Date: 09/10/97 From: J CLEVENGER Time: 08:01pm \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 2 times) Subj: Helmets RG> when it can be dicarded. There is this belief that RG> wearing a helmet makes one invincible to head RG> injury and not wearing one will result in being RG> involved in an accident. Learning about road How true. Especially among children, I've seen this "invincible" feeling fostered by the helmet. A lot of kids have ended up as road pizza in this state (Washington) recently. RG> wearing helmets. For years people road bikes RG> without helmets and it took until the 80s and 90s RG> for helmet companies to cash in on this politically RG> correct device. Has head injuries been reduced And in most places in the world, where bicycles far outnumber automobiles, helmets are not worn. RG> dramatically since then? For any State or province RG> to make it mandetory for the sake of being RG> politically correct is wrong. Helmets are believed Money from the insurance, automobile, and oil industries is spent lobbying for these laws. If you can enforce the view that bicycling is a recreational sport that requires "sports" type equipment, you can help ensure that bicycling will never be seen as a viable mode of public transportation. Got to keep the oil pumping and a the soot billowing. RG> politically correct is wrong. Helmets are believed RG> to be 100% in stopping head injuries, wrong again. RG> They are just the quick fix. If the car manufacturers have their way, spandex, lycra, and gortex clothing will also be mandatory. Politically correct, and politics as usual. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Outdoor Focus - University Place, WA (206)565-7730 (1:138/123)