--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1R00000 Date: 01/18/97 From: LEAH ROZHON Time: 01:12am \/To: BILL PIEHLER (Read 4 times) Subj: Travel *[Quoting Bill Piehler to Leah Rozhon] On 01-14-97 19:29, [About Travel]* BP> When I come back from our planned Journey later in the year, I'll have BP> a look into it....I see a lot of talk about century rides, it seems to BP> be on the mind of quite a few people. What's actually involved in BP> doing a century? Simply riding 100 miles at one time. This doesn't mean you can't stop and get off the bike for a rest stop or break. You just do the ride all in one day. I was talking to a friend this afternoon and she said she might train for it with me. That would make it more fun. BP> of all kinds of goods:-) which means I'll be looking at a special BP> hybrid? hehe Sounds like it might just be the one. Mtn bikes are nice for rough surfaces and riding at night, but a hybrid is a nice compromise for road riding and as a utility vehicle. Everyone I know who has one likes it. BP> not very keen on the racing bike type wheels. Have you any experience BP> with hub geared cycles? Also saw, would you believe it..hehehe a I'm not familiar with the name. They could be on my bike and I wouldn't know it. :-) BP> Bicycle Computer, cost RRP A$37 with 4 functions. That's the smallest Oh, get one with more than 4 functions! Computers make riding more fun. BP> dough. But for the run of the mill commuters, most of the cycles come BP> from, have a guess....:) from the Tiger countries, all the same places BP> most of our cars come from. That's new to me. What are the Tiger countries? :-) BP> Thanks Leah, it was a good one, I'm still riding my bike, aren't I:-) Yeah, Yeah, YEAH!!! :-) I hope I'm still riding when I'm 80! Adios for now, Leah ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Star Spawn BBS (1:115/477.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1R00001 Date: 01/20/97 From: DOUG CARTER Time: 10:28pm \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Bike Lane/Car Lane -=> Quoting Richard Glazer to Bill Piehler <=- RG> A while back My friends and I were stopped by the police because we RG> were riding our bikes on the road rather than on the bike lane. Parts --- RG> lose control of the bike. Well we tried to explain this to the officer RG> to no avail. We were told either to use the bikelane on the sidewalk or RG> get a ticket. I was wonder if they had the right to force a cyclist to RG> use the bike path if the rider deemed them dangereous?? Hi Richard... in 91 I was part of a ride from Halifax to Toronto and we came thru Montreal (and again in 92, QC to Toronto)... I had the same discussion with a cop at that time... HE at least listened... and I asked him if HE ever rode a bike... he replied 'all the time', I asked him then where HE preferred to ride as being safe and prudent etc... HE said HE never rode on the bikepaths... and lanes... to much risk... So have heart... besides we were 'tourists' only locals are bound by those rules... like having licences, ha... BTW... where the paths were maintained they were not bad... downtown and on the bridges... yechh... I'd suggest doing two queries... one to the PROVINCE, and one to the ?MUC? police... you might also look for the local (if any) CANBIKE instructors or bike advocacy groups/clubs... MANY Cops work based on what they think ?) the law is... or in some cases WAS... MOST simply don't KNOW or Care... others like the one I got... care but don't know, OR try to bluff you in rder to cure a problem that they have... at that time... even though the law llows something normally... One should also ask oneself, HONESTLY, what if anything did I do to attract that much attention...often the real reason is quite apparent on etrospect... I listen a lot to my radios... and I can say for a fact that manytimes cops are really looking for an legal excuse to size someone up for a valid eason.. whether it's being an unsafe operator, or they are looking for someone that just rode away from a local variety store holdup... so don't feel bad... Obscure laws exist for the convenience of odd situations that don't fit clearly defined ones... There was one cop stopped me once and wanted politely to search my car... ie. voluntarily... after finding nothing of interest, I asked him why... and he said he was investigating a report of car breakins... and he went away... all very friendly... BUT he never ever checked that I owned the CAR... or my ID... go figure. But by all means find out the real reasons... and share with us... IF you do end up having to use the paths/lanes, you may gather the ammunition needed to guarantee that they are SAFE and USEFUL ones to use. BTW, many places that did have sidepath laws, either don't enforce, or have recently changed them... one I know out here... is either changed or hanging, but IT states that 'where a USEABLE sidepath exists, it is to be used'. Often interpreted as ALWAYS HAS TO BE... disregarding USEABLE... and as lways it is held legally to be determined by the OPERATOR, not someone else. Although someone else can CLOSE it to use as unsafe... ... Supposing is good, but finding out is better. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: A Place Between Time and Space...The Continuum BBS (1:353/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1R00002 Date: 01/20/97 From: DOUG CARTER Time: 10:28pm \/To: COREY COOK (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: drivers last summer Welcome... first time I've seen you on... -=> Quoting Corey Cook to All <=- CC> Last summer my brother and a friend of our decieded to take a bike CC> ride up about a 10 km back road here in vernon and you wouldnt believe CC> how scared drivers were of us we riding about 2 to 6 feet from the road CC> varying along the road and it didnt matter how far away from the road CC> we were every one crossed the center line when passing us some of them CC> went a little off of the other side of the road i couldnt believe it CC> since then i have been doing a lot more bikeing and notised that even CC> if i was riding on the side walk they do move over slightly. Having not met you, don't take anything as personal... please:-) But in the year and a half I've been around Vernon, I haven't noticed that very many EITHER CYCLE or DRIVE all that well, PERIOD. The good news is that MOST seem to TRY to get along with one another... the bad news is that MOST seem to only have a really vague idea of how to do that. I was having a bit problem getting a clear picture of your scenario... but I think you were saying that you were riding OFF of the road surface varying from 2 to 6 feet away... Consider this... how often have you seen another person on a bike just decide to come out onto the road without looking... happens here all the time... You admit to some weaving... I'll put that to being due to terrain and obstacles... for now... off of the road... CanBike teaches (as well as real life) that the operator of any vehicle, ikes included, has to make choices governing the operation of their vehicle... and to do so early enough to avoid any accident... One of the warning signs is erratic (read: weaving) operation... this usually means to the driver/cyclist... DANGER, STAY AWAY, AVOID at ALL OSTS.. etc... THIS GUY IS NOT IN CONTROL, so I must compensate... get the cture... Simply put... cyclists who operate anywhere around CARS and TRUCKS etc... must display full control and awareness at all times... even to an xageration level... Drivers of vehicles, must display control and awareness at all ime when around the operators of other vehicles... (even though BC law states it vaguely, trust me BIKES ARE VEHICLES...) and ALL are bound to operate safely. On or off road... The amazing thing out here, is that -as YOU said- MANY drivers are TOO autiou for their own good... I've watched in horror as a car pulled way off to pass me with no regard to the car coming the other way... or even parked... or a totally blind hill or corner... and that is VERY dangerous for all... US included... that other guy may swerve or go out of control coming toward ... The right thing is to ride controlled and to drive controlled and not over react... but that is hard for many... and too few remember that the passer has full responsibility to do that move safely regardless of what the ehicle is... Anyway I suspect that some of the more detailed solutions could be moved to a local chat area, and I'll try that... Maybe it's time to get a oca cycling area with our sysops.. and save the wear on the interational echo... for international subjects... ... Nine out of ten Rottweilers prefer Mountain Bikers... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: A Place Between Time and Space...The Continuum BBS (1:353/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1R00003 Date: 01/21/97 From: COREY COOK Time: 01:57pm \/To: DOUG CARTER (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: drivers last summer no the road varryd for how far away from the road i could be and i wasnt riding on a city street i was riding up the back way to get to where the edar hot springs use to be. and where my grandpas camp ground is --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: William's, Vernon B.C. 28.8 604-549-2409 24hrs free (1:353/385) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1R00004 Date: 01/21/97 From: LANCE LAVERELL Time: 06:28pm \/To: DARRIN BAUGHMAN (Read 4 times) Subj: Bike cops Hello Darrin, 13-Jan-97 13:45, Darrin Baughman wrote to Lance Laverell Subject: Bike cops DB> The International Police Mountain Bike Assoc. has instructors all DB> over the DB> country. I called them and got setup in the course. The course is DB> GREAT! DB> Most of the focus is controlling the bike. That's interesting. I hope to attend the course in Dallas one of these days. DB> what kind of DB> bike are you using? We are very pleased with the Raleigh F-500, real DB> nice package for the price. OK, no laughing. :^) Right now, there are two Murrays and a Huffy. I hope to upgrade this spring. I'll probably go with a DiamondBack or a Haro. In one of the Law Enforcement Technology mags, there was an ad for a Police Equipped bike complete with lights, siren, and an electric motor assist that was pretty cool. Bike was really heavy and out of my price range but looked good. Don't remember the brand. DB> Does your department have any SOP's for DB> bike DB> patrol? If so I'd like to hear about them. No, not yet. Last year was just a trial to see how it went over. The public really liked it. I hope to expand on it this year. Talk At Ya Later, Lance --- Terminate 1.51 * Origin: Terminate is Bigger, Better, Faster......... (1:3812/10.26) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1S00000 Date: 01/22/97 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 11:01am \/To: DOUG CARTER (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Bike Lane/Car Lane Thanks Doug for your reply as to bike lanes. You mentioned that it is up to the operator to determine if they would like to or not use the bike lane. Would that be in the law or is that something that you believe in. I'll tell you, on weekends the lanes are filled with pleasure riders that it is impossible to use the lanes without constantly having to pass people. If you are trying to get somewhat of a workout forget it. too much stop and go. I usually go out to the country side where there are less cars, no stop lights and the scenerey is much more pleasant. The only thing that I hate is having to ride out to the country. A one hour ride through traffic and less then perfect roads. Richard --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1S00001 Date: 01/22/97 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 11:17am \/To: COREY COOK (Read 4 times) Subj: tires Hi Corey. I tried looking into my magazines for a tire I saw that was for sale already studded. I can't seem to find the magazine though. I will keep looking for it. What I can remeber is that it was not cheap. someone in the past on this echo has given instruction on how to stud tires using screws. I'm sure it would cost a lot cheaper than buying it. Richard --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1S00002 Date: 01/22/97 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 11:24am \/To: BILL PIEHLER (Read 4 times) Subj: Riding Bill some of the reasons the racers in the tour de France plow into spectators is that the onlookers don't give much room for the riders to get though. Some even jump out in front of a rider to get a picture thinking they will have plenty of time to get out of the way until they find out they have miscalculated. The riders move fast and if someone gets in their way at the last minute there is not much room in order to get around. In the famous tour finish when a police officer got in the way of a few riders because he was taking pictures rather than doing his job, it is true those riders did not see him. When you go for a sprint and you want that extra juice the riders will put their heads down. But when they are riding regularly they do see where they are going. Richard --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1S00003 Date: 01/21/97 From: DENNIS FARKAS Time: 10:51am \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 4 times) Subj: Lubricants RG> What do you mean by varsol and karosene not being toxic?? Forgot what I originally posted, but what I meant is that varsol and kerosene are less hazardous (ie. flamable/explosive) than other solvents that people have used (naptha, gasoline, barbeque starter). But yes they contain fewer toxins than some of the other solvents that you could use. Any solvent that belongs to either the Keytone or Benzine family should be avoided unless you take the proper safety precautions. For example, a common industrial (Aerospace) solvent is Methyl Ethyl Keytone. It has a flash point of about 18 degrees cent., is extremely toxic and just slightly safer to handle than Nitro-glycerine. Benzine compounds are extremely toxic and highly flamable. But getting back to the original point, both varsol and kerosene mix well with ordinary motor oil, are cheap, easily handled and readily available at any Canuk Tire store. They make the best chain cleaner/lubricants (when mixed 50/50 with oil) ing. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Keyboard BBS - Calgary, AB (1:134/67) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: E1S00004 Date: 01/21/97 From: JON BAKER Time: 11:00pm \/To: BOB PICKETT (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Lubricants *** Quoting Bob Pickett from a message to Dennis Farkas *** BP> Thanks for the information about the "carrier". I'll try Varsol or BP> kerosene in my next batch. Here in Houston, we've been using 30 BP> weight motor oil in the mix. I have tried everything from marine grease to motor oil. Let me recomend one thing that I have recently been using. White Lightning self cleaning chain lube. I love the stuff. --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: ModeMManiac BBS ** (757) 766-0888 ** (1:271/570)