--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00000 Date: 11/21/96 From: JOHN O'NEILL Time: 11:45am \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Front Suspension -=> Quoting Richard Glazer to John O'neill <=- RG> Hi Neil . You mentioned how front suspensions on road bikes are not RG> common because the professionals don't use them. Not wanting to look RG> like wimps is how you put it. Well if the pros are not using them, it RG> is because they do not help win races at this time (more advance RG> technology may change that in the future). Helmets are another issue RG> since they have only proved useful in time trials cutting drag. The RG> helmet as a protective device is not an issue to pros since it is not RG> a winning factor. Perhaps if a racer fell and the helmet protected RG> their head and they went on to win the race would the helmet gain more RG> respect. Still I will never agree that a road bike needs front RG> suspension. If the road is so bad that shocks are needed, switch to a RG> ATB instead. RG> Richard RG> RG> -!- Maximus/2 3.01 RG> ! Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) Your right, if it became clear that a suspension fork made it any easier to win races everyone would have them. Clearly the top road racers are the europeans. From what I have read and seen in race coverage they are more resistant to change and care more about image then Americans or Austrailians (sp?). USA & Austrailia have both tried using super high tech bikes only to find riders on Superbikes being beaten by Europeans on traditional designs. As far as Helmets go, even if they don't admit it, those who do not wear one do it because they would rather not be seen wearing one. I have heared race commentators on tv say that and it seems to be true. I have been thinking about buying a carbon fork for or with my next road bike. I am told they cut down on road vibration quite alot. Also they can cut 1/2 to 3/4 of a pound over a steel fork. Have you ever used a carbon fork? Is there a down side to using one? John O'Neill ... Confusion is the only true road to understanding. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #12 * Origin: Bird Brains * Allentown, PA * (610) 437-4438 (1:2607/201.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00001 Date: 11/24/96 From: RANDY MILLIS Time: 11:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: Winter Biking Hello All. 03 Nov 96 07:59, Mark Tucker wrote to Melvin Hatcher: >> What protects the inner tube from the Sheet metal screws? MT> Mr. Tuffy's will work, also old clincher road tires with the bead cut MT> off make a good barrier. Another thing you can do is to use carbide What kind (brand, model) of tires best support the sheet metal screw studs? Randy --- GoldED 2.50 UNREG * Origin: Vision [Calgary, Alberta (403)295-9533] (1:134/291) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00002 Date: 11/25/96 From: BILL PIEHLER Time: 07:45pm \/To: DEWEY THIESSEN (Read 4 times) Subj: Touring Bikes DT>BP> Looking at the Origin Line, The Dew Line,...are you running DT>BP> a BBS as well, Dewey? DT>Yeah.. Clever, huh? It's not much of a BBS anymore. DT>Mostly I specialize in reading my own mail and vintage DT>downloads. If you're ever looking for a file from the 88 DT>to 92 era, give me a call. :-) I'd rather spend my time DT>pushing pedals than maintaining the BBS. Keep that offer in mind, but around 88 to 92 I wasn't into computers......<>>, see... seems you are the Senior or old timer in this regard...hehehe. Can't blame you for rather pushing pedals then maintaining a BBS. I still don't really know how the Sysops are doing it. But once you are bitten by the bug, whichever it might be, its hard to let go of it. Riding a bike it's the same. In my youth I never was without a bike, and it was a major and important as well as valuable possession. It had no gears and was heavy like led. It was an "OPEL" bike, inherited from my father, he must have bought it around 1939. I rode it everyday summer like winter for many years. Then I was without a bike for hmmmmm weeell until I retired and moved away from the city. At that time I bought myself a PC as well as a Malvin Star Mountain Bike, ( not really a mountainbike) hey, it even has 10 gears, which don't last very long. Now I'm fitter then a was 20 years ago. An have all kind of dreams of doing long distance rides ahmm....dreaming again....man oh man.... My first love is walking, but biking comes very close second. Greetings from sunny Redland...Bill * OLX 2.1 TD * e-mail: bill.piehler@ssbbs.brisnet.org.au --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Soft-Tech, Qld, Australia +61-7-3869-2666 (3:640/201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00003 Date: 11/25/96 From: BILL PIEHLER Time: 09:12pm \/To: LEAH ROZHON (Read 4 times) Subj: Computers G'dah Leah, LR> BP> in the bike store electronic devices when I was looking for an LR> BP> oddometer, you know, the mechanical type driven by the spokes.... and LR> BP> saw one from VDO advertised in on of the mags, but wasn't aware that LR> BP> they are so widely used.I only have a touring bike...hehehe. LR>I saw your post in the Travel echo and replied that hikers/walkers have LR>computers, too. I hope you get the message, and please reply if you do LR>as I think I'm having a problem getting out on that echo. Pedometers, had a look at the Travel echo but havne't received your msg in that area as yet. But will sure let you know when/if it arrives there. LR>as they're called, have multiple finctions also. They aren't quite as LR>accurate, though, because they have to be set to your stride length and LR>that varies with the terrain. Yea, I was aware, that there are devises like that about, but never used one for long distance walking. When walking long distances, which was in the past always Backpacking, I never could see the need for these gadgets, and my dead reckoning was always very good. There are too many factors which influence your end results. I was never into competition....except with myself.....:) and I don't want to walk, or ride a bike for speed alone. That's way I would not buy a racing bike and ride it on the road. Though I must say them new mountain bikes I see around now....well they are a dream come true Hey they are like my Suzuki 4x4...... and then when one sees these new electronic devices which tell you all kinds of information about all kinds of conditions......wow....I'll have to have a go at them. After all when I go walking, well hiking, I'm using all the new materials in use to make live more bearable and saver under adverse conditions.......welll....hmmmm LR> BP> I certainly does, Leah....Thanks for the info...and give an oldtimer LR> BP> on his antiquated bike a smile when you zoom past him or her... LR>Can I ask how old you are and what kind of a bike you have? I really LR>thought you were kidding me about the computer....:-) Sure you can..Leah, but you have to figure it out yourself. My birthday is on the same date as Elvis Presley's is, the only diff is, that I haven't got his millions, but I'm still around kicking.....or better bushing the pedal...hehehehe No I definitely wasn't....but then.....weeell, it got a few of you bikers going....didn't it? I always have the tendency to ask when I don't nderstand something. Now in this ages of accronyms and computers well things are moving pretty fast. As far as my bike goes it is a Malvern Star Bogart MS-CTBI made of Dynaloy Precision Tubing. with 10 gears, it's painted white, with 26x1.75 wheels and tyres, mudguards and carrier so I can ride it under all weather conditions and not give myself a shower when doing so. I had it now for about 5 years. On the average I ride my bike about 3000 to 5000 km annually, depending on how long I go away on long Walkabouts, which could be anywhere from one to four month....see if I had a bike computer I could tell you exact figures.....might have to get one after all.....<>> When the young kids with their BMX bikes, which nowadays exist in all kinds of queer shapes ...look at mine, which is in their eye as queer as theirs is in mine....I have to chuckle....hehehe. They probably think hey look he even has a chain that isn't rusty....<> I like riding my bike.... Cya...Bill * OLX 2.1 TD * e-mail: bill.piehler@ssbbs.brisnet.org.au --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Soft-Tech, Qld, Australia +61-7-3869-2666 (3:640/201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00004 Date: 11/25/96 From: JOHN O'NEILL Time: 09:05am \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: Marinoni / Steel frames Hello, In my shopping for a new bike one local shop suggested I might have a custom frame by Marinoni ordered. The steel they use is Columbus and they offer SL, Chromor, Brain, SLX and others. Up til now I have been on a Tange Chromoly frame with a magnalloy fork, I like the feel but I would not mind something lighter. the diference in price between a frame of Columbus Brain steel and Columbus SLX is $ 200. how much of a diference will I notice in the ride? I have bumped up the amount I am willing to spend on my next road bike a bit, but I still would like to get away with spending under $2,000 total. Any suggestions? John O'Neill ... Confusion is the only true road to understanding. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - #12 * Origin: Bird Brains * Allentown, PA * (610) 437-4438 (1:2607/201.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00005 Date: 11/25/96 From: ALFREDO EMMANUEL LOPEZ Time: 11:47pm \/To: GOKAY HUZ (Read 4 times) Subj: Yaw bu alanin dili ne??? GH> Selam All, GH> Yaw bu alana herkes istedii dilde yazi yazabiliyormu yaw??? What te hell ? ... eXtreme Was here.. And he always be... --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: + La Conexin Mexicana -=- Your Gateway to Latin America + (4:972/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00006 Date: 11/26/96 From: ADAM PREBLE Time: 04:30pm \/To: BRIAN STEWART (Read 4 times) Subj: Bike Polo! BS>I had hoped to play mountain bike polo this past summer-- but my work BS>schedule proved to be too erratic (LONG story!) Hopefully, this next summer BS>will prove to be better for it, since I am working in a different section of BS>the hospital (for the same lousy pay), which has a better schedule. (Hey, The greatest problem I've been having with playing bike polo here is the conditions. Upstate New York does not fare well in the winter for bike polo. :) So what my friend and I are doing is making more sophisticated mallets. As of now, we are using crude viking club arrangements. We are currently using leftover wood from a baseball bat factory to create the mallet head. I am making it seven inches, and I don't know if that's too wise of a choice. Putting a rubber handle on would be nice too. A strap would be better.... :) BS>Anyway, I think that MTB polo is on topic for here-- I've been having a BS>general fitness discussion which is only slightly related to bicycling, afte BS>all! MTB polo? MounTain Bike polo? I hear there is a league someplace. By the time I'm out of in the real world, my friend and I will be pretty good. -ROCKO- * SLMR 2.1a * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Reading Room, Woodstock NY, 914-679-4602 (1:272/160) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00007 Date: 11/27/96 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 10:11am \/To: ALDO CICUTO (Read 4 times) Subj: Accidents Well Aldo i'll tell you about one particular accident that could have turned out a lot worst. I was riding my bike off a busy boulevard onto a rather quiet road. I was going very slowly when all of a sudden I felt a slight push and then my bike began to accelerate. I had no idea why I was going faster since I wasn't pedaling that hard. I turned around to see a car bumper right up to my seat and my rear wheel bent sideways. I was yelling at the driver as my bike kept moving forward. I't was a scene right out of jaws. The beast with tremendous power putting his teeth into his victim while dragging him forward. Finally the car stopped to my relief, and a older gentleman (I say that now) emerged from his cadilac apoligizing for his error. Rather then pressing on his brakes when he saw me, he stepped on the accelerator. God was with me that day since I received only cuts and bruises on one ankle. My worry was that I had a bike race that weekend and my rear wheel was destroyed. He paid it without any protests. Thinking back, had I fell over during the push, I would have been crushed underneath the car beast. Richard --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00008 Date: 11/27/96 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 10:27am \/To: BILL PIEHLER (Read 4 times) Subj: Biking in PEI Bill PEI is a beautiful place to cycle as Kim would tell you. But Bill I never went to PEI. It was Kim on this BBS who was there, not me. Perhaps one day Richard --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: DFX00009 Date: 11/27/96 From: RICHARD GLAZER Time: 10:32am \/To: JOHN O'NEILL (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Front Fork John I hear good things about front carbon forks. I have never had one myself, but I can only comment on the reviews I read about. Every author have written that they absorb plenty of road shock, they are incredibly light and the one that is most often talked about is the fork by TIME. Not cheap mind you. Price is perhaps its only downfall. If you do purchase one, let me know about its performance. Richard --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Montreal, Qc, Canada (1:167/133)