--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00009 Date: 09/20/97 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 09:50pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Continuity Problems Introducing a new tool for working out continuity that isn't continuous. Ladies and Gentlemen, let's have a big hand for the Nathan-Turner Principle! > Doctor Who Fan: In Story X, Person A said N, but in Story Y, Person B said > something that totally contradicted it. Please explain. > > John Nathan-Turner (producer of Doctor Who): Where is it graven in stone > that nobody in Doctor Who ever > lies? IOW, "if you're told two contradictory things, see if there's some reason for one source to be unreliable. This could easily shed light on some of the discussions I've seen running through this echo. Paul ... Diana, Princess of Wales 1961-1997 --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00010 Date: 09/19/97 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 10:48pm \/To: MICHAEL MAREK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Warp 13 -=> Quoting Michael Marek to BILL NICHOLS <=- MM> However, with the exception of the episode you seek to dismiss, this MM> alleged "warp 10 is infinate speed" rule has never been stated in MM> screen, as far as I can recall. I can cite two other episodes in MM> which Warp 10 was exceeded. Why didn't you, then? MM> What episode said that warp 10 cannot be exceeded? With all respect, MM> I don't believe you can cite such an episode. Since you are listing MM> rules of thumb, things that have been on the screen *do* overrule MM> ideas that have never been seen on-screen. Another rule of thumb: things that are said to be true in the Writers' Guidelines are at least as true as anything on screen. Paul ... Mother Theresa 1910-1997 --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00011 Date: 09/19/97 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 10:51pm \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Voyager premier: Kes -=> Quoting Terry Ricks to Michael Marek <=- TR> Yes, that would actually make more sense since Wesley also became TR> a traveler. The first that we saw was a being from Tau C, then Wesley Wesley did? When? Paul ... Diana, Princess of Wales 1961-1997 --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00012 Date: 09/19/97 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 11:03pm \/To: JAY P. HAILEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Trek Writers -=> Quoting Bob Kohl to Jay P. Hailey <=- > I am not an original fan (I became a hard core trekkie during > TMP) but I watched the TOS avidly (One of my first memories is the Good God! Somebody else who actually likes TMP! Paul ... Mother Theresa 1910-1997 --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00013 Date: 09/20/97 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 12:47am \/To: LAURI TUOVINEN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Warp 13 -=> Quoting Lauri Tuovinen to Robert Mckay <=- LT> As a matter of fact, I don't think our science actually says it's LT> impossible to travel at warp 1. Yes, our science does say it's LT> impossible for a massive object to achieve the speed of light, but LT> I believe the whole warp concept is based on not actually travelling LT> faster than light but making the distances shorter by "warping" the LT> space around, hence the name warp drive. Correct me if I'm wrong. Here's the deal: Our science assumes that because light in a vacuum is the fastest thing known to man, that speed (Warp 1) is the natural speed limit of the universe. Experiments with accelerating subatomic particles have found that at high speeds, perticles gain virtual mass, approaching infinite as the particle approached Warp 1. So the closer the particle gets, the more energy required to get it closer still. Summary conclusion: it is possible to reach and maintain Warp 1, but only if you have zero mass. Various armchair philosophers have come up with ideas about the trouble being the speed of light, and if you pass it you're fine, and stuff like that. It's theories like this behind the explanation of the warp drive in _Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual_. However, the current theory of warp drives favoured by *real* scientists [ :) ] does, as you say, involve warping space to make the distance shorter. Paul ... Mother Theresa 1910-1997 --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00014 Date: 09/19/97 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 11:19pm \/To: ROBERT MCKAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Warp 13 -=> Quoting Lauri Tuovinen to Robert Mckay <=- > Of course, our science says that warp 1 is impossible, because it's LT> As a matter of fact, I don't think our science actually says it's LT> impossible to travel at warp 1. Yes, our science does say it's Lauri's right. Look at it this way: if warp 1 is impossible, what speed is light travelling at? Paul ... Diana, Princess of Wales 1961-1997 --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00015 Date: 09/22/97 From: BILL NICHOLS Time: 11:52am \/To: RITA SMITH (Read 0 times) Subj: birthdays - September RS> > This is the list of birthdays of Echosians here on the TREK conference. RS>As the saying goes, "third time's a charm", I hope this one gets through o RS>you. Add mine, please. RS>November 25 No year, I notice. --- OLXWin 1.00b Doesn't take a lot to amuse some people. * Origin: Derby City LiveWire - Louisville, KY - 502-933-3217 (1:2320/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00016 Date: 09/23/97 From: ROGIER VAN EETEN Time: 04:29pm \/To: LUKE FISCHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Data's Poetry Goeiemorgen Luke, je schreef aan Fane: LF>Fa> Has anyone transcribed Data's poetic works into ASCII? LF>Fa> Especially "Felis Catus" :) LF> LF>I love that poem!! If you get it, please send it to me, I LF>wanted it so bad... :) It was on... DANG, the other day! Felis Cattus, is your taxonomic nomenclature, an endothermic quadruped carnivorous by nature? Your visual, olfactory and auditory senses contribute to your hunting skills, and natural defenses. I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations, a singular development of cat communications that obviates your basic hedonistic predilection for a rhythmic stroking of your fur, to demonstrate affection. A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents; you would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance. And when not being utilized to aide in locomotion, it often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion. O Spot, the complex levels of behaviour you display connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array. And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend, I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend. Data, "Schisms" --- Dutchie V3.03 * Origin: TNG season 7, DS9 season 4, Voy season 2 (2:500/3.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00017 Date: 09/23/97 From: JOEL SCOTT KOLODZIEJCZAK Time: 06:36pm \/To: BILL NICHOLS (Read 0 times) Subj: Transwarp?? 5*** Quoting Bill Nichols to Joel Scott Kolodziejczak dated 09-15-97 *** > JSK> I have found the answer...and it isn't in any of the shows...it > is in > JSK>the books! > JSK> At some point...warp was re-written! 10 is no longer max...but > higher > JSK>than that...the speed hasn't changed though! Warp 13 was an > equivelent to > JSK>9 on the new scale! > > Fortunately I remember the thread (since you didn't quote -- if you > can, please, try to. :) Most users have several hundred messages > to go through a day -- moderators usually have well over 1000, > especially if they mod two or more echoes as I do. ). > > Rem,ember the First Rule of canon -- the books aren't. ;) Unless > I grossly miss my guess , you're referring to a novel, & they > NEVER have authority -- period. Not even the normally authoritative > tech books by Okuda are always considered solid & gospel. > > IOW, no joy on that one, score-wise. }};) OK, I've got it now...book bad...TV good! :-> --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: Baron's Flying Service (1:2202/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EDT00018 Date: 09/23/97 From: VICTORIA MACKEY Time: 02:57pm \/To: FANE (Read 0 times) Subj: DVD Box sets? DVD is still a reletively new format. I doubt P'mount has released any of the ST on DVD yet, although I suppose they may begin with "First Contact" when it hits general release in the next month or so. Eventually I would guess that all the St releases will be available in DVD. Victoria Aeron Mackey --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ArcticNet (1:138/34)