--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Y00013 Date: 05/27/96 From: WAYNE STOCKER Time: 09:16pm \/To: KEN PECK (Read 6 times) Subj: STEVE BAUER " WHIRLWIND" -=> Quoting Ken Peck to Wayne Stocker <=- eek WS> Pretty good, I have had to forgo the training mileage for the past WS> month or so because we have just moved. About all I have been able to WS> do is run. But I'm back in the saddle again. KP> Excuses, excuses. The last time I moved, four years ago, I KP> accomplished the move during the week, rode 100K on Saturday (which KP> happened to be my 55th birthday), and reported to a new job on Monday. KP> I typically log around 100 - 200 miles a week. A fair amount of that KP> is commuting to work. Wow! I'm humbled Ken, I guess I'm just a wimp. What can I say (just another excuse :-) ) between packing, working, sleeping, eating, ah lets see what else, Oh ya, the kids. Well I respect your fortitude. But this is the last @#$% time I move! Later, Wayne. ... Press to Adopt Me! I need a better home. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: the spa! #1 in Western Massachusetts! (413) 536-4365 (1:321/307) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Y00014 Date: 05/27/96 From: WAYNE STOCKER Time: 09:16pm \/To: MARK PIGOTT (Read 6 times) Subj: STEVE BAUER " WHIRLWIND" -=> Quoting Mark Pigott to Wayne Stocker <=- MP> I'd guess the Matterhorn weighs 30 pounds or so (ever tried to put a MP> MTB on a weighing scale!!!) <:|>....but my main beef is slowness, but MP> someone told me the real knubby tires are the problem. I mentioned i MP> rarely ride off-road, so he suggested I replace the tires with a more MP> "road" type tires, and this will improve my speed on the road. MP> 30 km/hr top speed is not my idea of fun (In the old days when i was MP> 16, i used to get my Peugot road bike up past 100km/hr (62mph) down a MP> steep grade. MP> Anyhow, I'll take his advice and see if this improves the speed. Hi Mark, Good advice on those tires, those nobbies eat up energy as well as speed. You will be well served with a set of inverted treds or slicks. Your probably expending 100km/hr of energy that is being sucked up in tires. You'll be a speed demon with those slicks. Happy trails, Wayne MP> p.s its ILS season! All right I'll bite, whats ILS season?????? ... Page your sysop at 4am and increase your vocabulary. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: the spa! #1 in Western Massachusetts! (413) 536-4365 (1:321/307) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Y00015 Date: 05/28/96 From: STEVEN MCFARLANE Time: 07:05pm \/To: EARL WUCHTER (Read 6 times) Subj: GEAR INCH Dear Earl: In response to my question, "What is a 'gear inch'", you were kind enough to clear it up thusly: EW> For any given chainring/sprocket combination, EW> Gear Inches = chainring diameter / sprocket diameter x wheel diameter EW> ie: 52/12x27 = 117 gear inches EW> 42/24x27 = 47 gear inches EW> 28/32x27 = 24 gear inches That clears it up for me and I appreciate the help. Later, Steve ... Cyclist's Rule #1: Everywhere you go is uphill and into the wind ___ * Freddie 1.2.5 * The first full-featured QWK reader for the Mac. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Shizuoka Echo BBS: Home of JAPAN_LINK International Echo 6:730/40) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00000 Date: 05/29/96 From: BILL NEWMAN Time: 05:54pm \/To: KEITH KNAPP (Read 6 times) Subj: Expired Listing KK> Seems to me I've seen this a few times now. Has the moderator split, KK> or just can't get Fido access, or wha? KK> BO>During the first month only the old moderator can list the echo. KK> After this, BO>anyone can list it. If the old moderator is gone, then KK> perhaps now is a good BO>time to hold an election to choose a new one. KK> Since this echo has so little controversy, I would suggest that the KK> best candidate for a mod would be a sysop (who knows the right buttons KK> to push) with a lot of cycling experience. If the moderator doesn't KK> show up or has lost Fido access, we oughta do something, because KK> once an echo gets dropped, it's a real hassle to get it established KK> again. If everyone is in favor I can get the echo back listed after the 10th of June. That is when the old moderator loses his right to the echo. I am not a sysop but I am moderator of two other echos and it is just as easy for me to set up another one. I use an automatic monthly update program to send the update message to the echolist robot and so we would not run into this problem again. That is what I have been doing for the last five months with the other echos. Please let me know what you want and I will get everything started soon. If I hear from 5 people I will assume that the list wants me to be the moderator and I will start. This echo is a very easy one as I do not see many problems at all so it would not add to my demand at all. Bill Rochester, NY Salvation_Army Moderator Emergency_Management Moderator --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Bill Newman, Rochester, NY (1:2613/403.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00001 Date: 05/29/96 From: BILL NEWMAN Time: 08:40pm \/To: JON TALYOR (Read 6 times) Subj: helmut On (27 May 96) Richard Glazer wrote to Jon Taylor... RG> Jon word of advise, Don't ever purchase a second hand helmet. Unlike RG> anything else you may not want to purchase new to save some money, a RG> helmet is a different issue. If a helmet is damaged in any way, even RG> if it is not noticable it may fail during an accident and not perform RG> like it should. You can purchase helmets today for very reasonable RG> prices. For example I purchased a Bell helmet and I'm sorry if I can't RG> remember the name of it, but it was only $35 Canadian. It also came RG> with a visor. The helmet is snell and asci approved. So you can see RG> that a second hand helmet is not worth the head it will be saving. Jon, To add to Richard's answer I also agree with him on the purchase of a second hand helmet. You should only purchase a new helmet. One of the reasons is that after a couple of years the helmet sort of forms around the head of the rider so you would not get a good fit with a used one. After a couple years of use in the hot sun the helmet starts to weaken and with a used one you do not know how long that they have had the helmet. I insist that my bike officers purchase new helmets every two years so that they are not weat from the rays of the sun. Sun damages most plastics and the foam that the helmets are made of have the same problem. Also the straps are weakened by the sun. In a hard crash you need all the safety and strength that you can get. When you buy a helmet look for the snell or asci approval but also purchase one at a bike shop and not at a discount store. We have found that some of the discount stores sell lower quality helmets or out of stock items that may not be up to the current safety standards. It may have been up to the proper standards when manufactured but if it sat in a wearhouse for a period of time it may not be up to the current standards. Also a department store usually does not have anyone that really knows the proper sizing and adjusting for a helmet and the bike shop owners usually have people that are trained to fit a person with the proper helmet. That way you know you are getting the proper size and fit. Have the salesperson fit the person right there for the helmet. If it is a gift and the person is not there at the time buy a gift certificate for a helmit and have the person go and get fitted at a later date. This is what I do with my officers. I have them go to the bike shop that we get all our supplys at and have them get fitted there. Any further question about helmets just write either myself or Richard and we will try to find the information. Bill Rochester, NY --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Bill Newman, Rochester, NY (1:2613/403.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00002 Date: 05/28/96 From: PHIL PILTCH Time: 08:24am \/To: ABELARDO GARCES (Read 6 times) Subj: Shimano SIS Abelardo Garces asked: AG>I have a question about Shimano SIS: AG>If i want to adapt a bike to SIS system, i need to change AG>main control (i have ONE) and "speed changer" (a SIS, i AG>have one too).... but.... AG>Did need to change the cassette in wheel too? Indexed shifting systems are a coordinated group of gear shift lever, derailleur and rear gear cluster. Normally all have to be made by the same company, but some manufacturers have produced "compatible" parts. For indexed shifting ( SIS is Shimano's term - Shimano Indexed Shifting) the amount the shift lever moves for each click must match to spacing of the cogs on the rear wheel, and the derailleur ( the part with two little wheels which the chain goes through ) must move the chain from one cog to the next with each "click". Your best bet is to talk to a bike shop mechanic at a bike store ( the one you usually deal with and feel comfortable is best ) about what you need. Hope this helps... * SLMR 2.1a * Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: One Less Car * Cycling in Toronto * (416) 480-0147 * (1:250/238) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00003 Date: 05/29/96 From: PHIL PILTCH Time: 12:16pm \/To: RICHARD GLAZER (Read 6 times) Subj: Steve Bauer " Whirlwind" RG>What may have aided the down fall of road cycling was the slow down of RG>progress these bikes were going through. Mountain bike RG>accessories were increasing by leaps and bounds while road RG>bikes were stagnating. Shimano smartened up and saw this as RG>a chance to come out with new inovations while Campy RG>continued to remain with what they were doing. Their moto RG>of "it will last forever" was not enough since they lost a RG>great share of the market to Shimano. Realizing their The most likely reason for the decline in road bike sales is that a) most roadies tended to keep the same bike for years ( and still do) and b) most of those who were new comers or "rediscovered" cycling tended to find mountain bikes more comfortable and suitable for their riding style. While dropped bars, narrow high pressure tires and somewhat flatter back positioning of the road bike are ultimately more confortable and efficient in the long run, for most who cycling short distances or casual cycling, the cushy ride and upright stance on a hybid or moutain bike are more comfortable. When these individuals then try longer distances and notice those with road bikes moving effortlessly they then realise the advantantages of a road bike. As for the success of Shimano, much of it was based on change and innovation. Initially a low-end parts supplier, Shimano started to recognise the growth of the moutain bike craze in North America and to design parts specifically for mountain biking. Sun Tour was another big innovator, in some ways more so. Campy, by contrast, was marketing mostly to the high end racing market, which is generally more conservative. It is true that with the increased compitition, Campy has had to join in and their parts line does lack the finish of older sets. One thing the Japanese have done is the revitalise and improve the performance of bicycle equipment. Shifting is easier and cleaner, and the mountain bike innovations have filtred into the road bike area - especially with touring bikes - which do appear to be making a come back. Phil * SLMR 2.1a * ... Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: One Less Car * Cycling in Toronto * (416) 480-0147 * (1:250/238) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00004 Date: 05/29/96 From: PHIL PILTCH Time: 12:26pm \/To: DAVE HUGHES (Read 6 times) Subj: Driver licence for bikes -=< Quoting Dave Hughes to Phil Piltch >=- PP> truck she apparently PP> assume was about to make a right turn - it didn't PP> and she hit it head on PP> - I read this in our university paper and in the local paper. It's PP> something I often tell to others... but then humans have this PP> "wonderful" ability of self-denial " it won't happen to me..." DH>Crying shame, isn't it? I mean, simple physics tells me that I'd DH>rather be hit from behind, with the lower impact velocity, then DH>head-on, anytime. Besides, if it's my time to go, I'd just as soon DH>not know what hit me (grin!). Unfortunately, most cyclists worry, almost to an obsession, about being hit from behind, so it's possible some ride the wrong way in a mistaken belief that if they can see it coming, they can avoid it. The above story is a good counter-example to this kind of thinking. I suspect the reason most worry over getting hit from behind is that cyclists are overtaking many times by motor vehicles - with no "cocoon" of steel and glass in between ones body and the offending car. Funny, but I no longer flinch at a car or truck the passes very close, except when it then start moving quickly back to the right. Phil * SLMR 2.1a * ... Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: One Less Car * Cycling in Toronto * (416) 480-0147 * (1:250/238) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00005 Date: 05/29/96 From: PHIL PILTCH Time: 12:54pm \/To: EARL WUCHTER (Read 7 times) Subj: What Bike EW>is very nice for the price and the 1220 has the same Aluminum frame as EW>the 1400, except for a cro-mo fork. The 1400 was often used as an EW>entry level racer. I rode a 1420 which also has a triple for the past 5 EW>years and was happy with that one. Trek does indeed make some great bikes - I have the predecessor to the 1420 ( at that's what it seems to me ) the 420. I've made a few changes but it's taken over much of South-Central Ontario over the last 7 years. Note quite as racy as it's aluminum cousins, but the True Temper RC Cro-moly frame gives a nice ride. Great for fast centuries or for a bit of loaded touring..... * SLMR 2.1a * Phil, the cyclist from Scarborough... --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: One Less Car * Cycling in Toronto * (416) 480-0147 * (1:250/238) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 150 BIKE NET Ref: D5Z00006 Date: 05/29/96 From: PHIL PILTCH Time: 01:15pm \/To: STEVEN MCFARLANE (Read 6 times) Subj: Gear Inch SM>Can someone please explain just what a "gear inch" is and how to measure SM>it? I know it has something to do with how far the tire moves for a given SM>pedal input but I'm not clear on the details. "Gear-inches" is a term used to describe how far one will travel for one revolution of the crank. The term comes from the time of the "high-wheeler" when the pedals were attached directly to the front wheel. "Gear-inches" would be the apparent diametre of the wheel - thus a gear ratio of 60 gear-inches would give the same foward distance per pedal revolution as with a 60" diametre wheel. To find the gear-inches of your various gear ratios, you divide the number of teeth of the chain ring by the number of teeth of the rear cog, and multiply this by the diametre of the rear wheel. An equivalent system is call "development" in which the true circumference of the rear wheel ( outer edge of tire ) is multiplied by the result of dividing the tooth number of the chain ring by the tooth number of the rear cog. This give the actual forward distance per revolution of the crank. Sound compicated? See John Forester's Effective cycling for a very lucid explaination. * SLMR 2.1a * Phil, the cyclist from Scarborough... --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: One Less Car * Cycling in Toronto * (416) 480-0147 * (1:250/238)