--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100032 Date: 05/19/98 From: JASEN BETTS Time: 04:51pm \/To: RAYMOND BERIAU (Read 0 times) Subj: Calling another batch fil RB> JB> ah!, that looks right, DOS is loading 4dos in secondary shell mode RB> And if I type "EXIT" nothing happens - I am not returned to a MS-DOS ooh... (I guess I guessed wrong) RB> prompt. JB> What does the /D switch do? (nothing here) RB> I just used it because it was being used by MS-DOS v7.0 when I tested RB> booting my system without neither CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT I'm guessing (again...) that /D disables the regular Autoexec.Bat (or whatever) RB> C:\4DOS @C:\4DOS\4DOS.INI /F /D /K C:\4DOSEXEC.BTM /D /K AUTOEXEC --------------------- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It seems that the O/S puts it in (^^^) to kill the regular boot process, this requires your solution of overriding it (---) Maybe /D stops a primary shell from booting "autoexec" Bye. --- EzyQwk V1.20 01fa018d * Origin: CSS Brisbane, Qld, Australia. (61-7-3367-3890) (3:640/350) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100033 Date: 05/19/98 From: CLAUS MUELLER Time: 08:52am \/To: RICHARD PEER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re^4: EXECUTION PREFERENCE Erstellt : Freitag dem 15.05.98 Erhalten am 19.05.98 von : *Richard Peer@5:7106/22* an *Claus Mueller* Hallo Richard, CM>> I'm registerd for 4dos and tc32, but though its a good produkt I use CM>> TC extremly seldom. You know I'm one of the guys that opens a dos CM>> window to do a copy instead of using drag and drop and mouse. Just CM>> because I'm used to it since 1982. RP> Like - When do you use the GUI and when do you use the command line? Mostly when I want an overview of what is where and when I do a copy or something on the net. When I have to use programs that only run under the gui, like the MS Office Package I use the gui. RP> If you know more than the computer, you use the command line, RP> if the computer knows more than you, you use the GUI. If I know what I want and how to access ist directly via the keyboard I do it that way. - mfg *Claus* - ... He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder. - M.C.Escher --- who did this? * Origin: A crowd grows proportional to your actions stupidit (2:2433/1204.32) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100034 Date: 05/19/98 From: CLAUS MUELLER Time: 08:53am \/To: TED MENKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: EXECUTION PREFERENCE Erstellt : Samstag dem 16.05.98 Erhalten am 19.05.98 von : *Ted Menks@2:2449/236.51* an *Claus Mueller* Hallo Ted, CM>>>> I really don't know it, but the problem has been cured with a CM>>>> reinstalling. TM>>> That still leaves your own question open. We need to find out why TM>>> and how the order was reversed on that third machine. CM>> A good idea might be the alias I used. When I tried it out I used a CM>> copy of V.Buergs list Program. (a com file) TM> Any relation to a possible interfering alias might be understandable, TM> but I don't see how Vernon's LIST.COM could influence the order in TM> which BAT and BTM are searched. WEll my alias L*ist=c:\@tools\batch\list.btm %& might put you in the right direction. - mfg *Claus* - ... Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. --- a Tearline - how boring * Origin: Luck in gambling means money for love. (2:2433/1204.32) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100035 Date: 05/19/98 From: CLAUS MUELLER Time: 09:04am \/To: EUGENE S ELIZAROV (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: 4DOS on OS/2 Erstellt : Freitag dem 15.05.98 Erhalten am 19.05.98 von : *Eugene S Elizarov@2:450/83.9* an *Claus Mueller* Hallo Eugene, RP>>> Not exactly 4Dos, but I use it and 4OS2 as well. CM>> So you run OS/2? Why? ESE> I think Richard is right! OS/2 have a comfortable ESE> user's interface and stable operating. This the best choice ESE> _for_work_ with several tasks (i.e. communication and ESE> supervising a network). That gives me a idea. I use a differnt machine for differnt tasks. :) ESE> The OS/2's VDMs is pretty ajustable : I have ESE> some tasks under 4dos with or without UMBs, virtual disk, network ESE> support. And the main plus is 100% compatibility of 4dos and 4os2 : ESE> under any OS on my machines I use the same batch files! But the main minus has been the incompability to several old DOS programs I had to run in the time when I tried switching. But it's a good system. (Thats why IBM developed it.) Especialliy when using it in a mainframe envioronment. And as stated before rexx is ingenius. ESE> I tried to use NT 4.0 but I can't install 4dos as a ESE> primary shell for VDMs under it :( Sure. When using NT you have no Dos underneath. So you ran NT (which only has a dos like cmd processor) ESE> So I can't seriously use NT in my business. That bring up some questions. First - whats your business. Second ever considerd redisigning the way you work? ESE> (I know 'bout 4NT - this is a shell for _procected_ tasks ESE> only) Isn't the whole NT protected? - mfg *Claus* - ... At the late night, double feature, picture show. --- Why me? * Origin: A crowd grows proportional to your actions stupidit (2:2433/1204.32) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100036 Date: 05/19/98 From: CLAUS MUELLER Time: 09:09am \/To: JOHN HENTSCH (Read 0 times) Subj: Re^2: DST-calculation revised Erstellt : Montag dem 18.05.98 Erhalten am 19.05.98 von : *John Hentsch@1:218/907* an *Claus Mueller* Hallo John, CM>> Some extra bytes to spare? CM>> change the above like below: CM>> :setGTZ, fourth version by (TM) CM>> set Daytm=%@doy[4-%@eval[8-%@dowi[4-7-%_year]]-4-%_year].02 CM>> set Stdtm=%@doy[10-%@eval[32-%@dowi[10-31-%_year]]-%_year].02 CM>> set toDay=%@doy[%_date].%@right[2,0%_hour] CM>> set GTZ=UTC+%@if[%toDay ge %Daytm .and. %toDay lt %Stdtm,7,8] CM>> unset toDay Daytm Stdtm CM>> return JH> Wholly cow, your two guys are making this routine tiny! Very good. Yes, but you should be aware that it ain't that much readable any more. As my computer teacher back in 1980 always said: "Efficiency and good servicing don't go together". That counts for 4dos as well. - mfg *Claus* - ... Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir men's blood. - --- Dominus wrote this! * Origin: A crowd grows proportional to your actions stupidit (2:2433/1204.32) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100037 Date: 05/19/98 From: KLAUS MEINHARD Time: 10:52pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: ascii table Hi all, message count seems to be going down again. Perhaps it is time to post your best batch? 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Surely this means I will have less conventional memory "You can not have your cake and eat it" (I hope it is good english. In Italy we hae something like "You can not have the full barrel, and the drunk e".) VB> Also, I suspect that I'll not be able to re-use stacked commands VB> between multiple windows, which I find very handy. But this is not just what you are complaining? Giorgio --- GoldED/386 2.50 UNREG * Origin: The Twin Brothers' Point - Milano (Affori) - Italy (2:331/374.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100039 Date: 05/19/98 From: GIORGIO FASCILLA Time: 02:17pm \/To: VIC BATES (Read 0 times) Subj: Keystak : but WHY ? Hello Vic! 15 Apr 98 23:18, Vic Bates wrote to All: VB> 4dos command should be sent to another dos app running in the VB> background rather than run in the dosbox I'm using in the foreground? I've just answered you about this in another msg. But now *I* 'm wandering about two related topic: 1) VB> RE=keystack up up "|*list/s" R why using " R " in a keystack command? As you use the "up" (without quote) word to meen the up arrow key, you can use the "Enter" (without quote) to meen the enter key: read 4dos'help: keystak - usage: ==== cut ==== Characters entered within double quotes ("abc") will be stored "as is" in the keyboard buffer. The only items allowed outside double quotes are key names, key codes, and the ! and /W options. See Keys and Key Names for a complete listing of key names and a description of the key name format. ==== cut ==== "Key and Key Names" is a link: follow it. 2) VB> I use it to recall previous command/redisplay screens which have ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ VB> scrolled off the screen. I wander way you have to do such a think: If you want to recall the previous (or the 2-nd previous : look at your example) command, you may just use "command history and recall" commands (i.e. up up enter), o (much nicer) "command history window" (PgUp or PgDn). (this is a tooo much trivial thing .... I' afraid *I* misanderstanfig something). Giorgio --- GoldED/386 2.50 UNREG * Origin: The Twin Brothers' Point - Milano (Affori) - Italy (2:331/374.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 148 4 DOS Ref: FA100040 Date: 05/20/98 From: GIORGIO FASCILLA Time: 08:55pm \/To: VIC BATES (Read 0 times) Subj: descript.ion editor Hello Vic! 15 Apr 98 23:28, Vic Bates wrote to All: You talked about: : probs with DESC.EXE (sescript.ion editor) since installing : win95. VB> DESC.EXE expects directories to be uppercase and files lowercase, if Ehy? This is neither DOS/Win3.1 (command.com - 4dos.com) nor Win95 standard. VB> it insists on always making DOS windows jump to full screen The window mode that I srtongly prefere for DOS applciation under Win* ;-) VB> each time it starts up. Dit it appends also under Win3.1? VB> But each time I open a new dos prompt window and run it again, it VB> jumps to full screen again! But you open a generical 4dos windows, and than run DESC.EXE from the 4dos prompt, or you run DESC.EXE directly from Win95 (With an icon, I think). Giorgio --- GoldED/386 2.50 UNREG * Origin: The Twin Brothers' Point - Milano (Affori) - Italy (2:331/374.11)