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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFC00007Date: 11/07/97
From: TIM HUTZLER                                           Time: 03:41pm
\/To: JOHN GARDENIERS                                     (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: jmp $+2

JG>Hi Tim,
-=>01 Nov 97 21:20, Tim Hutzler wrote to Glenn Delahoy <=-
GD>>jmp $+2
TH>It is considered poor programming practice with the 86xx family, but
JG>Considered "bad practice" by who?
By those who think they only use good practices of course. [grin]
Well, I consider it 'bad' because someone can set the assembler
settings to use only 16-bit displacements, and then the program will
malfunction in a way that is difficult to diagnose, since previously
working code would suddenly stop working.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00000Date: 11/08/97
From: SCOTT MCNAY                                           Time: 12:38am
\/To: BARRY BLOCK                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: Cmos password

 *** Barry Block wrote in a message to N.Ferri@agora.stm.it:
BB>     To kill a password, just discharge the cmos.
In some cases, this is extremely problematical.  Some motherboards have no 
discharge jumper, nor do they have a connector for an add-on battery, which 
can be shorted (probably not a good thing to do, but it sometimes does the 
trick).  In most cases, the discharge jumper and add-on battery connector are 
combined, but if there is neither, you are often forced to desolder the 
on-board capacitor/battery, and wait for up to several hours for the CMOS to 
discharge.
--Scott.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00001Date: 11/08/97
From: N.FERRI@AGORA.STM.IT                                  Time: 12:47am
\/To: ALL                                                 (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Cmos password

From: N.Ferri@agora.stm.it
Subject: Re: Cmos password
On 8-Nov-97 at 00:50:19 Barry.Block@p42.f901.n280.z2.fidonet.org wrote:
&>& N> I was hoping to find something "similar" (ehm) to a standard
&>& N> offset.
&>& To kill a password, just discharge the cmos.
&>& In notebooks you can remove the batteries - all of them! This can
&>& be a search. Be very careful about keyboard/floppy cables!
&>& On most motherboards there is a jumper to discharge the cmos.
Sure, that's the code I've already written: it totally erases the CMOS
contents, password included. I'll stick with it for now.
                                       Thanks :)
                                           Nicola
-!-
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00002Date: 11/07/97
From: DANNY PHILLIPS                                        Time: 08:30pm
\/To: JAMES VAHN                                          (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Interupts

> > What about in Linux or UNIX??
JV>>
> JV>It is best to use libc calls- everything uses libc and you should too.
> JV>Two simple examples:
JV>>
> What does puts do exactly.
JV>Those are ANSI C functions, write a little C program with the -S
JV>switch in gcc and it will generate assembly source to look at.
JV>The C manuals will explain, the -S will show. (gcc -S source.c)
JV>Here's a sample calling INT 80, but I *really* have very few clues
JV>about this.
<<snip>>
OK now, so I think you answered my question about interupts in Linux (a.k.a.
UNIX.)  But are interupts called on the microcode level, so that int 21 will
be the same on all IBM 'puters?  Or can the OS developers name int 21
somthing else?  Is assembly the same on all OS's if there on IBM's.  Kind of
a weird question, I hope it fits here.
Danny
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00003Date: 11/07/97
From: SURGE                                                 Time: 12:78am
\/To: PAUL CHAMBERLAIN                                    (Read 1 times)
Subj: debugger

  Hi,
 I saw that you were talking about debuggers.
 >  DT>> where can i get a debugger whh works with 32 bit
 >  DT>> instructions and works in all modes not just protected
 >    Sorry, I haven't noticed that you want a debugger for all modes -- TD
 > is certainly not the case. But it recognizes 386 insns at least. :)
 I found a great debugger called Soft-ICE. It's made my Nu-mega. It's 
commercial ware.  (or you could get it for free in certian places.) It's a 
32bit debugger made for win 95 and DOS. It was recommended to me by several 
people, and I have found it very useful. Hope this is helpful.
                       Chris Bier
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00004Date: 11/08/97
From: JERRY COFFIN                                          Time: 12:16pm
\/To: STEVE PALM                                          (Read 1 times)
Subj: DOH!

On (06 Nov 97) Steve Palm wrote to All...
 SP> Well, due to an unfortunate download error any messages to me during
 SP> the past week or so, from about 10/30/97 to 11/5/97, has been lost.  I
 SP> wonder where data goes when it gets erased.  ( If you respond with
 SP> some Star Trek reference, you'll be shot )
It's been well known since long before Star Trek was invented that
erased data goes to the bit bucket.
    Later,
    Jerry.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00005Date: 11/08/97
From: JERRY COFFIN                                          Time: 11:31am
\/To: JAN WAGEMAKERS                                      (Read 1 times)
Subj: extended memory

On (02 Nov 97) Jan Wagemakers wrote to Jerry Coffin...
 JW> When you have loaded M$ Himem.sys (without emm386) your computer is in
 JW> "Big Real Mode".
No, it's not.  I just did some testing, attempting to do a load from
offset 1ffffh from FS and GS, (with himem.sys, and no other memory
manager loaded) and in neither case did the load succeed.
I'll repeat: there may be _some_ version of himem.sys for which what you
say is true, but it'd definitely _not_ true for any of the three
versions I tested with.
    Later,
    Jerry.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00006Date: 11/08/97
From: JERRY COFFIN                                          Time: 12:26pm
\/To: TIM HUTZLER                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: jmp $+2

On (07 Nov 97) Tim Hutzler wrote to Serguei Shtyliov...
[ talking about `jmp $+2' ]
 TH> SS>It's been widely used to insert a delay between 2 I/O port
 TH> SS>accesses on the 80x86 PCs until 486/P5 have appeared.
 TH> NOPs would seem better, IMHO.
It takes a LOT of nops to do the job.  The point of using the jmp is
that it imposes a relatively long delay because in older CPUs it dumps
the current contents of the pre-fetched instruction queue, so the CPU
has to wait for an instruction to arrive from memory before it starts
executing another instruction.
Since the memory read had to take place from the motherboard, jus like
the I/O instruction access did, it was safe to assume that by the time
the memory read finished, so had the I/O.  However, with modern CPUs
using caching on the CPU itself, this is no longer the case.  Even when
the prefeteched instruction queue gets dumped, the CPU can usually
retrieve the next instruction from the cache on the chip instead of
waiting for the motherboard to catch up.  In this case, the CPU may
complete the jump well before the motherboard is ready for another
transaction.
You've expressed concern about somebody changing the assembler options
and messing up the offset hard-coded into the instruction.  If this is
really a concern (rarely the case, in my experience) you can make the
distance of the jump explicit or (preferrable, IMO) use a macro:
delay macro
    jmp short @F
@@:
delay endm
then when you want to code a delay, you just use "delay" instead of
putting the jump directly in your code.  This not only makes the code
harder to mess up, but could be interpreted as more readable as well,
though `jmp $+2' is a well known idiom, so I suspect the readability
isn't drastically affected either way.
    Later,
    Jerry.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00007Date: 11/08/97
From: MARCEL CYR                                            Time: 07:43am
\/To: ALL                                                 (Read 1 times)
Subj: Canada.jpg

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        ::Marcel Cyr
--- PoPa Sbe / 2 Nodes!
 * Origin: -=[ POPA SBE // Ste-Therese // 430-0251 * 430-1524 ]=- (1:242/902)
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: EFD00008Date: 11/08/97
From: STEVEN READ                                           Time: 10:01am
\/To: ALL                                                 (Read 1 times)
Subj: Abduc...

To all conference users.
On 1997-11-04 (15:53) MARCEL CYR wrote to ALL in 80XXX-F conference
MC> ABDUCTED!
MC>    ...They removed the blindfold, but not the gag.  My eyes quickly
MC> adjusted to the low light, and I could make out stalls, and hay.  A
MC> barn.  Why the f**k would they bring me to a barn?
< snipped >
MC> "ANIMAL LOVER".
MC>         ::Marcel Cyr
MC> --- PoPa Sbe / 2 Nodes!
MC>  * Origin: -=[ POPA SBE // Ste-Therese // 430-0251 * 430-1524 ]=- 
(1:242/90
If you are receiving these stories from Marcel Cyr then please
complain strongly to the following BBS.
FidoNet.......: 1:242/902
BBS Name......: Popa Sbe
Sysop.........: Richard St-pierre
BBS Number....: 1-514-430-0251
Location......: Ste-therese Qc
Maybe this will end this abusers story writing career.  ;-)
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