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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00007Date: 03/19/97
From: JAMES AVERY                                           Time: 05:32pm
\/To: NICK COONS                                          (Read 2 times)
Subj: Extra Space.

Hullo Nick!
Monday March 17 1997 skriver Nick Coons til Eric Nadeau:
 >> and everything should be ok. BTW, using 'normal' memory is faster than
 >> using the one on your video card...
 NC>        I don't know of any other place (within the first meg) that I can
 NC> write to (consistantly) without overwriting something of importance.
I haven't followed this thread, so I'm a bit puzzled : Why not just allocate 
whatever memory, you need?
<James Avery - avery@dk-online.dk>
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00008Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: NICK COONS                                          (Read 2 times)
Subj: Extra Space.

-> I don't know of any other place (within the first meg) that I can
-> write to (consistantly) without overwriting something of importance.
I thought that QBasic and QuickBasic programs grabbed all available 
conventional memory when they loaded. Don't they? If they do then you 
can consistantly write to any area above your program.
Take care.
 ** Desperate times call for cheap shots.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00009Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: JAMES AVERY                                         (Read 2 times)
Subj: FAT

-> I need a thorough description of the FAT file system.
->
-> Where can I find one?
Right here. What do you want to know?
 ** Desperation:  great little teacher, rotten methodology.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00010Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: ALL                                                 (Read 2 times)
Subj: File-Access Tutorial

I've finally found the file-access tutorial that I wrote. I went over it 
very quickly and it looks like it's complete and done, but it's over 
2000 lines so I'm not going to be posting it publicly. [:( Hopefully it 
will meet JamesV's standards and will be included in the Snippets and so 
will be easily available to all.
Before I give it to him, however, I'd like to have it proof read by 
others in this conference. I'd like to get a few people who know very 
little about file-access to read it and let me know if it's readable and 
that I've explained things well enough, but I'd also like to get a few 
old-hands to read it for accuracy as well as readability.
So, any takers? Who wants a copy of this tutorial to proof-read for me?
If any of the following people especially could spare the time, I would 
really be grateful for their scrutiny and comments of this tutorial:
       M.L. Sparks
       Mike Bilow
       Carey Bloodworth
       James Vahn
       Mathieu Bouchard
       Arne de Bruijn
       Craig Hart
       Ed Beroset
       David Kirschbaum
       Mikko Hyvarinen
       Howard Dortch
       Janne Kankaala
       Jerry Coffin
       Corridon Henshaw
Of course >anyone< is welcome to a copy and I'll be happy to hear 
comments from all.
TIA and take care.
 ** Difficulty is not in new ideas, but in escaping old ones.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00011Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: NICK COONS                                          (Read 2 times)
Subj: Gs

Is this "Pick On Nick" month, or what? [;)
-> > NC> FidoNet is free.
-> >
-> > free for the user, but not necessarily so for the sysop...
->
-> No, FidoNet is free.
Well, I'll just have to stop paying my hub my ECRP charges. I'm sure 
he'll understand once I explain to him that Fido is free...!
No, Fidonet is not free. "ECRP" stands for Echo Cost Recovery Plan. 
I.e., the plan to recover the >costs< of providing the echo feeds! You 
know: "costs"? As in, "expenditures". There's no such a thing as "free 
costs", Nick.
-> The charges you mentioned are those of the phone companies
Well, then you might just as well say that the phone service is free! 
Those charges that that appear on your phone bill are those of the 
employees, equipment, Research and Development, fleet costs, sattellite 
leasing charges, mortgages, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
But regarding Fido costs, last I checked, Bell was still charging for 
the use of its telephone system, whether long distances charges were 
incured or not. Also, I'm not aware of any >current< Fido-compliant 
software that is free. Unless you consider "shareware" to mean "free 
software for the taking". (Oh yeah, you >do< think that, don't you?)
-> whatever is used to transfer the mail), not
-> FidoNet charges. Here in Region15, we use the Internet to transfer
-> packets into and out of our region, and the REC takes care of the
-> Internet account costs for us.
What costs? I thought you said that it's free?
Oh! I guess what you >really< mean is that it's free to >you< because 
you're not the one saddled with the costs! What a jouvenile point of 
view. How old >are< you?! Just because someone else is paying all your 
costs for you does not mean that it's free. I mean, that's like saying, 
"Tasm is free because I pirated my copy." [:r
You have a >really< bizarre perspective on the world, Nick. First you 
say that Nasm is too limited to suit your needs even though you have to 
use a tonne of override bytes with your current assembler, then you say 
that the authors of Nasm actually want to support the directives used by 
every other assembler in Creation, which they don't, then you say that 
A86 is free, which it most >certainly< is not, and now you're saying, 
since you personally don't have to pay for your Fido connection or phone 
lines, that Fido is a free service!
 ** Detour sign seen in Kyushi, Japan: "Stop: drive sideways."
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00012Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: KURT WISMER                                         (Read 2 times)
Subj: Gs

-> No, FidoNet is free. [...] the REC takes care of the Internet account
-> costs for us.
Ergo, all of FidoNet is free, Q.E.D.! [:/ Personally, I think he could 
use a high-resolution C.A.T. scan. But like I guessed, his hubmeister is 
the one paying all the "costs". (Free costs? Figger >that< one out!)
 ** Detroit -- where the weak are killed and eaten.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00013Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: TED MENKS                                           (Read 2 times)
Subj: Logical and Bitwise opera

-> IM> Some people (not Nick) who misunderstand how things work feel the
-> IM> necessity to invent new words such as "bitwise" in order to 
-> IM> explain concepts that the [...]
-> Why not Nick? Even though he's very well educated in computing, he
-> misunderstands this part too, the way I read his reactions on this
-> subject... However, I very well understand how this misunderstanding
-> has come to existance.
Well, he may misunderstand the concept, in our personal opinions, but he 
didn't invent the term, he's just been sucked in by others. I do agree 
that Nick does seem to be well educated and it's to his credit, IMO, 
that he's here and wants to learn more assembly. I just hope he doesn't 
take this discussion too personally and decide to abandon us.
Anyway, I think we're wearing this topic a little "thread-bare", if you 
know what I mean. [;) Take care.
 ** Democrats cut through the red tape -- lengthwise!
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00014Date: 03/20/97
From: IAN MOOTE                                             Time: 09:40am
\/To: NICK COONS                                          (Read 2 times)
Subj: MOV using same register.

-> mov     bx, [bx]
->
-> ...actually do what it looks like it would do?  That is, move the
-> contents of the memory location pointed to by ds:bx into bx?  Can I
-> use a segment override here (es)?
->
-> Nick Coons
-> Dynamic Computer Systems
Yes to both questions.
 ** DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00015Date: 03/20/97
From: FRANOIS FUSTIN                                       Time: 10:31am
\/To: JAMES VAHN                                          (Read 2 times)
Subj: FAT

Salut  toi, James !
James Vahn, wrote to James Avery relating to FAT
 JA>> I need a thorough description of the FAT file system.
 JV> This is clipped from HelpPC21, hope it "helps". :-)
Where can I find this kind of file? 
Allez, a+.
 Franois.
.!. A BBSer's telephone bill knows no bounds...
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 145 ASSEMBLY LANG. Ref: E3Q00016Date: 03/20/97
From: FRANOIS FUSTIN                                       Time: 10:37am
\/To: ALL                                                 (Read 2 times)
Subj: opcodes list

Hello, All !
Excuse me for my english, I'm french-speaking person. 
I'm looking for a list of all Pentium's instructions. I mean the opcodes
for processor and coprocessor and theirs descriptions. In the same time
if you have the same for the previous 486, 386 and 286, send to me.
And I'm looking for a program like 'DEBUG' accepting the 32-bit mode.
You can send me the name of that program and where can I find.
Thanks and see you later
 Franois.
.!. I just took an IQ test. Erm... don't understand the report...
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