--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDM00010 Date: 09/11/97 From: LUC LEBRUN Time: 08:58am \/To: BOBBY QUEEN (Read 2 times) Subj: NASCAR I'm not a sysop...so i ask him to add the nascar echo on his bbs... he told me that he will do it but told me too that i have to wait about 1 month before i will be able to join you in the nascar echo...until then you will be able to read me in the autorace echo... thanks for your help Luc --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: [Fido] CooL WorlD -> Quebec City 418-843-0162 (1:240/99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDM00011 Date: 09/12/97 From: SIMON HARMEL Time: 12:38pm \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 2 times) Subj: F1 RTC: Monza Hi Ralf! On the 07 Sep 97 at 22:29, Ralf M. Dickhut wrote to All: RD> Toughts, comments: RD> ================== Excellent f1 race review! Don't want to be rude, but "toughts" should be "thoughts". It's just been bugging me for a few months, sorry! ________ _________________ (_ |_| |____)imon | |armel - SYSOP of Explosion BBS - 01732 773369 ... Blow your mind - smoke gunpowder. --- GoldED 2.51.A0901 UNREG * Origin: Explosion BBS - 01732 773369 - FREE Email/Usenet! (2:440/222) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDP00000 Date: 09/16/97 From: SIMON HARMEL Time: 07:42am \/To: IAN CAMPBELL (Read 2 times) Subj: F1-News Re-appears Hi Ian! On the 12 Sep 97 at 13:30, Ian Campbell wrote to All: [ F1 News ] IC> Someone reads these - don't they?? Yes! Don't stop posting them! Thanks, ________ _________________ (_ |_| |____)imon | |armel - SYSOP of Explosion BBS - 01732 773369 ... Manual Labor. Isn't he the Vice Pres. of Mexico? --- GoldED 2.51.A0901 UNREG * Origin: Explosion BBS - 01732 773369 - FREE Email/Usenet! (2:440/222) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDP00001 Date: 09/17/97 From: RALF M. DICKHUT Time: 11:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: 98 driver changes Hello F1 fans, as reported today, Damon Hill will join Prost next season and Alesi is going to drive a Sauber in 98. Enjoy the races, Ralf --- CrossPoint v3.11 R * Origin: F1 since 1972 (2:2449/990.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDR00000 Date: 09/20/97 From: LUC LEBRUN Time: 01:40pm \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: 98 driver changes -=> Quoting Ralf M. Dickhut to All <=- RMD> Hello F1 fans, RMD> as reported today, RMD> Damon Hill will join Prost next season RMD> and RMD> Alesi is going to drive a Sauber in 98. RMD> Enjoy the races, RMD> Ralf Hi Ralf, you're right for Alesi but you're wrong for Hill... Hill just sign with Eddie Jordan... he will drive the jordan-mugen-honda next year... I saw this on my today newspaper as of sept 20th 1997. Enjoy the races... Luc --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: [Fido] CooL WorlD -> Quebec City 418-843-0162 (1:240/99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDT00000 Date: 09/23/97 From: MIKE MARIA Time: 09:45am \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: 98 driver changes Senna was the DUDE, But now Damon Hill is! Actually I like anyone but Michael Schumacher ( that !@#$$%^^&** )! --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Main Stream BBS Elmore, OH (419)862-1841 (1:234/108) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDT00001 Date: 09/21/97 From: RALF M. DICKHUT Time: 07:22pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: F1 RTC: Austria Hello F1 fans, here are my Formula 1: Results, Thoughts, Comments (F1RTC) of the AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX: RESULTS: ======== GP Austria, A1 sterreichring 21.9.97, 71 laps per 4,328 km 1. Jacques Villeneuve (Williams- Renault) 1'27.35.999 => 210.228 km/h 2. David Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes) + 2.909 3. Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Williams- Renault) + 3.962 4. Giancarlo Fisichella (Jordan- Peugeot) + 12.127 5. Ralf Schumacher (Jordan- Peugeot) + 31.859 6. Micheal Schumacher (Ferrari) + 33.411 7. Damon Hill (Arrows- Yamaha) + 37.207 8. Johnny Herbert (Sauber- Petroas) + 49.057 9. Gianni Morbidelli (Sauber- Petronas) + 1'06.455 10. Gerhard Berger (Benetton- Renault) + 1 lap * I'm sorry, the results list is INCOMPLETE. My TV Station didn't show the * * complete results and it was impossible to get it from other sources now. * Fastest Lap: Jacques Villeneuve (Williams- Renault) 1:11.814 Pole Position: Jacques Villeneuve (Williams- Renault) 1:10.304 => 221.364 m/h Disqualified after qualifying: Tarso Marques (Minardi): underweight Thoughts, comments: =================== Well done Austria! It was a very entertaining race on a circuit whose layout looks so boring. The drivers even proved overtaking is possible on this rack. Although, I still don't like the track with laptimes hardly over a minute. Hakkinens brillinat start gave him the lead for not quite a lap, before he could cross the line, he had to park his car with engine failure. Mika doesn't have much luck this season! So the first three until the pitstops are Trulli with his first lead ever, Barrichello, Villeneve, who could have been faster without Brarrichello in front. After a gap these were followed by Magnussen in the other Stewart, Frentzen and Schumacher. The nice performance of the Stewarts was bought with two pit stops to change the softest Bridgestone tyres, so they later didn't matter for the top ranks anymore. After the pit stops, Michael Schumacher took Frentzen's third place, but was given a ten second penalty for passing under yellow, which placed him back on ninth rank. I think he could have hardly seen the flags, as the marshalls are placed far away from the track behind very big gravel traps- and when you fight for positions you have hardly time to watch the panorama of the Steiermark. So penalty was correct but... ... but Michael Schumacher is not the man to give up easily. The engine blow up of Trulli at second place pusched him to 8th position, later Barrichello flew off the track when he tried to hinder Schumacher to overtake him. Finally whe saw another 'classic' Schumacher vs. Hill position fight, again with Schumacher as the winner. So with his sixth rank, he could save the lead in the drivers'championship table with only one point lead! The race was not only interesting for the top six, we also saw nice position fights in the middle of the grid, most spectatuar an accident between Irvine and Alesi: Alesi drove over Irvines tyres when he tried to overtake him an was really pulled into the skies. These two guys showed some strange ideas of overtaking again. Next week - yes it' on Aug. 28th, leaving the usual fourtnight rythm of F1 - we shall see another interesting race on the Nurburgring, whose layout seems similar boring as the A1 Ring, but provided fascinating races in recent years. Perhaps ist will rain again an we'll have another classic like the Schumacher- Alesi battle of '95. Drivers' Championship after 14 rounds ===================================== 1. M. Schumacher Ferrari 68 2. J. Villeneuve Williams-Renault 67 3. H. H. Frentzen Williams-Renault 31 4. D. Coulthard McLaren- Mercedes 30 5. J. Alesi Benetton-Renault 28 6. G. Berger Benetton-Renault 21 7. G. Fisichella Jordan- Peugeot 20 8. E. Irvine Ferrari 18 9. O. Panis Prost Mugen/Honda 15 10. J. Herbert Sauber- Petronas 14 11. M. Hakkinen McLaren- Mercedes 14 12. R. Schumacher Jordan- Peugeot 13 13. D. Hill Arrows- Yamaha 7 14. R. Barrichello Stewart- Ford 6 15. A. Wurz Benetton- Renault 4 16. J. Trulli Prost- Mugen/Honda 3 17. M. Salo Tyrrell- Ford 2 18. S. Nakano Prost- Mugen/Honda 2 19. N. Larini Sauber- Petronas 1 Constructors' Championship: (new leader!) =========================== 1. Williams FW19 - Renault RS9A 98 2. Ferrari F310b - Ferrari 046/2 86 3. Benetton B197 - Renault RS9A 53 4. McLaren MP4/12 - Mercedes F0110F 42 5. Jordan 197 - Peugeot A14 33 6. Prost - Mugen Honda V10 20 7. Sauber C16 - Petronas 15 8. Arrows A18 - Yamaha 0X11D 7 9. Stewart SF1 - Ford Zetec-R 6 10. Tyrrell 025 - Ford ED4 2 Next race: ========== GP Luxemburg, Nuerburgring (actually in Germany), September 28h 1997 race starts at 14:00 local time Feedback, please: ================= If you like my F1RTC, if you hate it, if there was something wrong - write me. Finally: ======== H.-H. Frentzen did it again: after he followed a backmarker for some laps, he finally manged to overlap him. When actually passing him, he showed him 'the finger'. This is - I guess - the international drivers' sign for saying 'thank you'! Appendix: ========= Drivers 1998, as far as I know, including latest news aside of the A1 GP: *Ferrari* *Williams-Mecachrome* Michael Schumacher (D) Jacques Villeneuve (CAN) Eddie Irvine (GB) Heinz-Harald Frenzen (D) *Jordan-Mugen/Honda* *McLaren-Mercedes* Damon Hill (GB) Mika Hakkinen (FIN) Ralf Schumacher (D) David Coulthard (GB) *Benetton-Mecachrome* *Prost-Peugeot* Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA) Oliver Panis (FRA) Alexander Wurz (AUT) Jarno Trulli (ITA) *Sauber-Petronas* *Stewart-Ford* Johnny Herbert (GB) Rubens Barrichello (BRA) Jean Alesi (F) ?Jan Magnussen (DAN) ? *Tyrrell-Ford* *Minardi-Ford* Jos Verstappen (NL) ?Ukyo Katayama (JAP) ? T. Tagaki (JAP) Tarso Marques (BRA) *Arrows-Yamaha* Mika Salo Pedro Diniz Enjoy the races, Ralf --- CrossPoint v3.11 R * Origin: F1 since 1972 (2:2449/990.10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDT00002 Date: 09/22/97 From: IAN CAMPBELL Time: 10:28pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: F1 News 094 ******************** (-: Formula1 NEWS :-) ********************* The Electronic Formula 1 News Service for the Internet World Wide Web server at http://www.enigmatic.co.uk/formula1/ *** September 17th 1997 *** *** Issue Number 094 *** **************************************************************** In This Issue *Suspended Bans *Prost Out Of Hill 'Race' *TWR Sign Salo *Hill - Is He Mad? *US GP? *Senna Trial *Revised Aerodynamics For Jordan *Arrows Yamaha Set For 98 *Schumacher Testing For Sauber *Alesi Signs For Sauber *Benetton Win Court Case *Silverstone Tests *Brundle Tests Arrows *Austria Preview *News Services *Contacting Us *Formula1 News Back Issues *How To Change Your Address/Unsubscribe etc. Suspended Bans Many of you wrote to me asking about the suspended bans that Villeneuve and Coulthard received at the Italian GP. In F1, if a driver commits an offence, such as overtaking under a yellow flag he will get a one race ban.The FIA realise that this would have a serious impact on the driver's season, so *normally* they will issue the driver with a ban, but suspend it over a number of races. Usually the bans are suspended over 1,2 or maybe 3 races. After the suspended races have been run, the driver's ban is wiped off. If a driver commits another offence that is serious while under a suspended ban, his one race ban will have to be served and more likely a second race would be missed too as a result of the second offence. As I said, usually drivers only get 2 or 3 race suspensions (it's a bit like probation) but Villeneuve has already had two suspended bans this year. So the FIA have given him a one race ban suspended for 9 races. The ban was given before the Italian race, so he has already served one of his 9 races. But if he commits another offence in the next 8 races he will have to miss at least one race. It does seem a bit harsh to me, but there you go. Prost Out Of Hill 'Race' The Prost team have confirmed that negotiations with Damon Hill, for next season, are over. The team said that the two parties could not agree on terms.It is thought Prost could only offer Hill 4.5 Million and he is reputedly asking for 5 Million. TWR Sign Salo TWR have ended mass speculation about the future of Damon Hill by announcing that they had signed Mika Salo. Arrows said that they could afford Hill, but they would rather spend the money on car development, which is why they have signed the cheaper Salo. Hill - Is He Mad? Where now for Hill? It was thought that he would sign for Prost or possible remain with Arrows. But shortly after Arrows announced that they had signed Salo, Prost confirmed that their talks with Hill were no over and the would not be signing him. This leaves Jordan as his only real option, it also puts Jordan in a much stronger bargaining position regarding Hill's reputed demand for 5 Million quid. Jordan have said all along that they are not really interested in paying 5 Million for Hill, and it seems now that they might not have to. The saga of Hill's inability to seize a good chance when it is offered really started when he refused the McLaren drive. Next year all the cars will be new designs and you would expect the cars designed by people like Barnard, Head and Newey to be among the best. Hill had a chance of driving two of these cars, which he passed up! His only real chance now rests with Jordan and Benson and Hedges. Benson and Hedges are keen to have Hill on board and they may help with the wages. I'm sure we will find out this weekend :-) US GP? The speculation over the prospects of a US GP continues.Indianapolis owner Tony George has been quoted as saying he would like to see an F1 race at the Brickyard. The rumours suggest an added infield road course suitable for F1 cars. Road Atlanta (not America as I suggested a few issues ago) is also in the frame for the US GP when it finally returns. Ford are said to be VERY keen on an event there. Senna Trial The Senna trial has started up again. The court is still hearing from 'expert' witnesses notably Michele Alboreto who has been in court of late. David Coulthard is the next current driver scheduled to make an appearance, he was the Williams test driver at the time and should have an opinion on the characteristics of the car. Revised Aerodynamics For Jordan Jordan will have extra downforce for the Austrian GP thanks to revised bodywork at the rear of their car.Jordan will run a back to back comparison at the A1 ring during free practice before making a decision on whether or not to use the new design. Arrows Yamaha Set For 98 It is now looking VERY likely that Arrows will continue with the Yamaha engine for 1998. Yamaha have made excellent progress with their engine this year with improvements in reliability (well, it couldn't have got worse) and power. The current unit pushes around 700bhp putting it close to the Mugen Honda unit. Brian Hart is tipped to take over the tuning from John Judd, though with the recent improvements, Judd may keep the contract. Schumacher Testing For Sauber Michael Schumacher has tested the Sauber Petronas car for the Swiss based team. Schumacher ran an unmarked car and wore unbranded overalls. The test session was for engine data collection (for Sauber) and was carried out as part of Ferrari's deal to supply engines to Sauber. Alesi Signs For Sauber Jean Alesi has signed a two year deal with Sauber. He will partner Johnny Herbert. Benetton Win Court Case The High court have ruled that Benetton's claim on Giancarlo Fisichella is legally binding and that Jordan have no right to his services for 1998. Fisichella will partner Wurz at Benetton, while Jordan now need to find a driver to partner Schumacher. Silverstone Tests Alexander Wurz was the fastest man at Silverstone last week. Many teams were there, with the test session seeing A1 Ring preparations as well as new engines and 1998 cars being tried out. Williams and Benetton were trying the latest Renault engine. 1 A. Wurz Benetton Renault 1.22.11 2 M. Hakkinen McLaren Mercedes 1.22.66 3 J. Villeneuve Williams Renault 1.23.03 4 H. H. Frentzen Williams Renault 1.23.06 5 D. Coulthard McLaren Mercedes 1.24.46 6 JC.Boullion Williams Renault 1.24.57 7 R. Schumacher Jordan Peugeot 1.24.59 8 P. Diniz Arrows Yamaha 1.24.64 9 J. Alesi Benetton Renault 1.24.67 10 R. Barrichello Stewart Ford 1.24.83 Brundle Tests Arrows Martin Brundle was again helping out Arrows (he is a director of the company) with testing the car. He only tested on Tuesday, but ran for 50 laps managing a best time of 1.25.77. He was testing new weight distribution configurations that are expected to be used on next year's car. Austria Preview The Austrian GP makes a comeback this weekend, at the new A1 Ring. The new circuit is built on the old Osterreichring, but the A1 ring is shorter with much slower corners. The old track had a very high average speed, the new variant is much more stop 'n' go. The nature of the circuit should allow the slower cars to get closer and I expect qualifying to be very close, similar to Hungary. It could be that Hill or Barrichello gets quite a way up the grid, shaking things up a bit. The teams and drivers all have pretty limited knowledge of this track, so that too should help better drivers in slower cars. It will be a weekend of 'who can learn a track quickly', something which Jacques Villeneuve proved he could do last year. 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Such is life :-) Formula 1 News is written and edited by Neil Whiley at Enigma Publishing (Neil@bigvern.demon.co.uk). --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Power Station * (403) 963-1859 * (1:342/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: EDT00003 Date: 09/23/97 From: IAN CAMPBELL Time: 07:18am \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 2 times) Subj: F1-News -=> Quoting Ralf M. Dickhut to Ian Campbell <=- RMD> Someone reads these - don't they?? RMD> Yes, with great pleasure. Thank you for posting them! Well as luck would have it the server problems seem to be continuing, I downloaded issue 094 from the website last night and will upload it with this note. Looks like a good battle between JV and MS will finish the season. Where in Germany are you BTW? TTYL Ian --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Power Station * (403) 963-1859 * (1:342/5)