--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00003 Date: 05/10/97 From: JOE NORRIS Time: 09:14pm \/To: ANATOLY GAVRILOV (Read 1 times) Subj: Questions Hello Anatoly, -=> Quoting Anatoly Gavrilov to Ralf M. Dickhut <=- >> Hard Question: >> Which (former) Formula One Champion flew off the track >> during the parade lap and remained helpless in the >> gravel? AG> Damon Hill I am assuming that you are referring to Damon at the Australia race this year, where his car quit on the parade lap. If that's the case, you missed two key words in the question. First, the question says "former" F1 champ. Damon is the CURRENT F1 champ. Also the question says "flew off the road and remained helpless in the gravel". Again, this doesn't fit Damon's situation, as he simply coasted to a stop next to the track. As I posted in my response, the correct answer to the question is Alain Prost, at Imola in 1991, while driving for Ferrari. He was already a "former" champ at that time, having last won the title in '89 (at that time). Also, he spun off a very wet track during the warm-up lap and was unable to continue. AG> I can ask another question: AG> (Very Easy) Who won the 1987 Championship F1 ? Nelson Piquet AG> (Easy) In what year there was a gap 0.5 points between AG> the champion and vice-champion? 1984, when Nikki Lauda won the title by .5 points over his teammate, Alain Prost. Joe Norris ... Alain Prost - "The Professor"! -=- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#4185) * Origin: Rapid River BBS 715-435-3855 (1:238/350) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00004 Date: 05/14/97 From: RON HILL Time: 12:45am \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 1 times) Subj: F1 RTC: Monaco -> Michael Schumacher, the dominator on Prince Rainer's wet and narrow roads! -> Williams again had the wrong strategy starting on slick tires, whereas -> all others at least used intermediates. So Pole man Frentzen lost the lead -> right at the start and championship leader Jacques Villeneuve was a lap -> behind after 15 laps already! Schumacher had his pit stop with a 45 sec. -> lead and reamined in first position even after he slid out of Ste Devote. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I REALLY like Michael. I almost cried when they sprayed the champagne on the Ferrari team. Does Michael ever take credit for his wonderful performances? Did Jacques give up? I mean, dig this: You had a horrible start, 1 lap down, no chance for any points, super wet track, everyone is wrecking (even your teammate, albeit later), blah blah blah. Do you cut your losses and dropout? Even a fender-bender costs a fortune in Formula One, and no money means a bigger loss. I just never heard why he DNF'd. I think dropping out would've been smart. No one was gonna pass, let alone catch Michael. Tires were running cooler, less fuel was being used. Jacques would have to recover from 25% of the race. Maybe Frank pulled him. BUT, if he did, why didn't he pull Heinz? Someone please tell me what you think, I get ZERO news here (except for who's winning the 10,000 stock car races we have every week down here). But, before I stop babbling, I'll say this : I really liked it when Derek Bell said that street cars would corner better than F1 cars under the condition. I can see it now, me in my beautiful new white Z24, shifting, drifting, braking.......CRAP! I forgot about doing 170 through the tunnel! Oh, well. See ya in Barcelona. Ron Hill ron.hill@wrinkles.com --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! [TESTDRIVE] v2.0TD * Origin: Wrinkles & Feathers BBS, Navarre Fl, (904)939-8404 1:36 (1:366/29) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00005 Date: 05/14/97 From: RON HILL Time: 12:50am \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 1 times) Subj: F1 RTC: Monaco -> Sensational second place for the 1997 newcomer team Stewart and - as I -> hope - the turning point for the traditonal Tyrrell team whos Mika Salo -> reached 5th place. Both Tyrrells humiliated teams like McLaren and -> Benetton! -> Benetton has left F1 upper class already in my opinion. Poor race results -> and even poorer qualifying positions. It should be a real struggle for -> them to get the Monachrome (=former Renault) engines for 1998. Yep, hats off to Jackie (and Rubens)! Jackie truly deserves respect. Next year, he'll have it all together. As for Tyrrell, thumbs up, although I heard Derek Bell say that those winglets really help, and, also the circuit is slow. But, I am happiest for Ukyo Katayama. 10 place is good. I have seen him trampled for awhile now, and he keeps it coming. Good luck, Ukyo! Michael's average speed was about 63mph. cool. Ron --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! [TESTDRIVE] v2.0TD * Origin: Wrinkles & Feathers BBS, Navarre Fl, (904)939-8404 1:36 (1:366/29) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00006 Date: 05/14/97 From: RON HILL Time: 12:51am \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 1 times) Subj: F1 RTC: Monaco -> Feedback, please: -> ================= -> If you like my F1RTC, if you hate it, if there was something wrong- -> write me. Keep it coming, man! Ron --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! [TESTDRIVE] v2.0TD * Origin: Wrinkles & Feathers BBS, Navarre Fl, (904)939-8404 1:36 (1:366/29) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00007 Date: 05/14/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:36pm \/To: IAN CAMPBELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Nascar and Mopar? 13 May 97 09:57, Hey Rocky! Ian Campbell pulled Nascar and Mopar? outta his hat!: RW>> Highly unlikely! Mopar has asserted it's option to stay out of RW>> NASCAR racing as we know it for the last 25 or so years...Ever RW>> since they felt they were being legislated against by NASCAR for RW>> their hemi engine. The new mandate is that Mopar will not back RW>> anything which doesn't represent the vehicles as they sell them. RW>> IE; no rear wheel racers unless they are produced that way at the RW>> factory. IC> IC> Interesting... During the TSN (Canada) broadcast of the Rio 400 IC> Chrysler's "Five Star Service" was advertising heavily featuring a IC> CASCAR Mopar V-8 (6?) Avenger!! Perhaps the factory service IC> organization can sponsor through the back door. It's probably a FWD, V6 Avenger...according to the mandate stated above, the factory will back this type of racer, but I'd venture to say, if it was a V8 powered, rear wheel drive Avenger, there wouldn't be any factory help... IC> There have been a couple of independants in CASCAR running Chryco IC> - there was a LeBaron(?) coupe body a couple of years ago. Maybe IC> this is Chrysler Canada?? As were there a one or two Chrysler LeBarons on the NASCAR circuit, but without any help from the factory. IC> I am not entirely sure of the specification for CASCAR but it IC> appears to be between Busch and ASA. If your Busch cars are like ours were a few years back, they are V6 powered. As far as I know, our ASA cars were always V8 powered rear drive cars. IC> Regards, Ian Campbell My pleasure, Ian. ... Prison loses master key for cells.... --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00008 Date: 05/14/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:43pm \/To: IAN CAMPBELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Mark Martin 13 May 97 09:57, Hey Rocky! Ian Campbell pulled Mark Martin outta his hat!: IC> It seemed that #6 couldn't win for losing - until Sears Point - now IC> with the win at Talledega he may be unstoppable. ;-) It was IC> interesting to watch both Rusty Wallace and Martin at Sears IC> Point very smooth drivers although the in-car camera on Wallace IC> during the 96 race was better. It can't be easy to wrestle an IC> ill-handling 3700# live axle racer on a road course. How would these IC> guys do in say a Roush Trans-Am or a European series Mercedes or BMW IC> sedan (to retain the front-engine/rwd format but add fully IC> tricked-out suspension). Well, those 3700 lb cars actually weigh 3400 lbs, including driver. They also have a sophisticated suspension setup. Albeit a live axle, that's not the worst way to build a race car. All parts of the suspension are adjustable for each tracks requirements. Put those guys in one of those cars that you suggest and they'll excell at driving them. That's already a proven point. ... Hanging: an early Western America form of bungee jumping. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5J00009 Date: 05/14/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:48pm \/To: PHIL MUTH (Read 1 times) Subj: Nascar and Mopar? 14 May 97 02:04, Hey Rocky! Phil Muth pulled Nascar and Mopar? outta his t!: PM> PM>> I think Mopar is testing the waters with the truck series before PM>> moving back into the other NASCAR circuits. PM> RW>> Highly unlikely! Mopar has asserted it's option to stay out of RW>> NASCAR racing as we know it for the last 25 or so years...Ever since RW>> they felt they were being legislated against by NASCAR for their RW>> hemi engine. Th new mandate is that Mopar will not back anything RW>> which doesn't represen the vehicles as they sell them. IE; no rear RW>> wheel racers unless they ar produced that way at the factory. PM> PM> I think that's admirable on Mopar's part. No flagrant PM> misrepresentation of the street model on the track a la Monte Carlo. PM> But what about the Avenger's use in IROC a couple years ago? If NASCAR ruled that the configuration you run must simulate what the factory built, Ford wouldn't have any competition since GM doesn't build a rear wheel drive car with a V8 engine anymore. That is, unless they would allow the Camaro and Firebird to compete. But then Ford would then have to be allowed to use their Mustang. Since the sport was and always has been sedans, this scenario may never be. Chrysler quit the IROC series =because of= the mandate I mentioned above. Besides being a race that's supposed to be closer to what we drive on the street, it's not so much the race car involved as much as it's the =drivers= they're trying to feature. All of those IROC cars are all prepared by the same outfit, each one being as exactly as they can be. Afterall the name of the race, "International Race Of Champions", isn't about race cars. ... I didn't say that, it's my cat walking on the keyboard. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5K00000 Date: 05/14/97 From: ROB WARD Time: 09:18am \/To: ROY WITT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Formula One News 075 (May 7) * Reply to msg originally in Autorace echo -=> Quoting Roy Witt to All <=- RW> ******************** (-: Formula1 NEWS :-) ********************* RW> The Electronic Formula 1 News Service for the Internet RW> World Wide Web server at http://www.enigmatic.co.uk/formula1/ RW> *** May 7th 1997 *** RW> *** Issue Number 075 *** RW> **************************************************************** RW> In This Issue 1 RW> *Monaco Preview RW> *Schumacher / Benetton RW> *Barnard Confirms Arrow Post RW> *Fast Eddie Does It Again RW> *Schumacher Pips Irvine RW> *ED5 Still Not Ready RW> *Yamaha 'D' Spec Delayed? RW> *Tyre Tests RW> *Testing Roundup RW> *Helping Me To Help You RW> *Formula 1 A-Z "R" RW> *News Services RW> *Contacting Us RW> *Formula1 News Back Issues RW> *How To Change Your Address/Unsubscribe etc. RW> Monaco Preview RW> Williams haven't won at Monaco since 1982 (Keke Rosberg), Ferrari RW> haven't won since 1981 (Gilles Villeneuve). Looking at the past RW> results, McLaren or Benetton would be favourite. For the past two years RW> Jean Alesi has set the fastest lap. RW> The Monaco circuit is a high down force track, which will aid the RW> teams that have less sophisticated aerodynamic styling. RW> M Schumacher, Frentzen, Panis and Fisichella all seem to do well here, RW> though only Schumacher and Panis have won here in F1 races. RW> Recent form would suggest that Villeneuve will start from pole. This RW> is perhaps the most critical track for gaining pole position. RW> The pits at Monaco are odd (to say the least) and F1 cars, with their RW> stiff suspension often come out of the pit exit with the right front RW> wheel off the ground until they fully rejoin the circuit. RW> Qualifying is at 11:00 GMT (12:00 in the UK) and the race starts at RW> 12:30 GMT (1:30 in the UK). RW> Schumacher / Benetton RW> Meanwhile....... RW> Fellow Jordan driver Ralf Schumacher has been linked to Benetton. If RW> he does go to Benetton he really will be following in his brother's RW> footsteps. Michael joined Benetton from Jordan. The breach of contract RW> involving Michael's move to Benetton has just been resolved, with RW> Jordan gaining a six figure compensation sum. RW> Barnard Confirms Arrow Post RW> John Barnard has confirmed that he is now the technical director at RW> TWR Arrows. John Barnard is responsible for many of the features of RW> modern F1 cars, from Carbon Fibre chassis (McLaren) to semi-automatic RW> gearboxes (Ferrari). He replaces Frank Dernie. RW> Fast Eddie Does It Again RW> Eddie Irvine has recaptured the Fiorano track record. He has beaten RW> Michael Schumacher's best time of 59.545 and recorded a blistering RW> 59.501. Eddie is on a roll at the moment, maybe a good bet for a win at RW> Monaco? RW> Schumacher Pips Irvine RW> Almost 24 hours after Eddie Irvine broke the Fiorano lap record, RW> Michael Schumacher lowered it again. RW> Schumacher was testing new aerodynamic modifications to the car but RW> still had the 046/1 engine when he set a best time of 59.100 RW> ED5 Still Not Ready RW> The fabled Ford Cosworth ED5 will not be ready in time for Monaco. So RW> once again the Tyrrell team will have to use an up rated (but still RW> underpowered) ED4 RW> Yamaha 'D' Spec Delayed? RW> Although initial testing has started, it is looking increasingly RW> unlikely that the new 'D' spec Yamaha engine will be ready on time for RW> it's scheduled debut in Barcelona. RW> Until then, the Arrows team will have to struggle on with the current RW> engine. RW> Tyre Tests RW> Bridgestone have conducted their first real 'grooved' tyre test. Prost RW> and Arrows have both tried the 1998 spec Bridgestones. Hill was RW> impressed with the performance (durability) of the tyres saying that RW> they were very consistent. RW> Hill lapped almost 8 seconds slower with the grooved tyres. RW> The World Champion added "The car slid around a lot more which tempted RW> me to say they will bring back the art of driving......the moment I RW> went back to slicks and went six seconds a lap quicker, I forgot about RW> art" RW> Testing Roundup. RW> The Barcelona test session is now over. RW> Jacques Villeneuve ended up fastest overall with a best time of RW> 1.18.41 with Johnny Herbert third fastest with 1.18.84. RW> Alesi remained second overall after setting the fastest times on the RW> first two days. RW> J. Villeneuve Williams Renault 1.18.41 RW> J. Alesi Benetton Renault 1.18.65 RW> J. Herbert Sauber Petronas 1.18.84 RW> H. H. Frentzen Williams Renault 1.19.04 RW> G. Fisichella Jordan Peugeot 1.19.84 RW> A. Wurz Benetton Renault 1.20.14 RW> D. Hill Arrows Yamaha 1.21.73 RW> J. Trulli Minardi Hart 1.23.67 RW> Helping Me To Help You RW> This year, more than any other, I have had hundreds of e-mails asking RW> how to get to and where to stay at particular GPs. RW> As I only really get to go to the British GP on a regular basis, where RW> I stay with my gran who lives not 12 miles from the hallowed ground of RW> Silverstone, I am not the best person to ask for tips. RW> So..... RW> If you have been to a GP that is on the CURRENT calendar, and stayed RW> somewhere cheap, good value. Found a great bar, a great place to sit RW> etc. write to me with details. RW> If you can put "GP Name - Info" (So I would put "Silverstone - Info) RW> in the subject of your e-mail it will help me sort out the more urgent RW> ones (like Spain) from the races that come later in the year. RW> I will then compile a "How to get there, where to stay, where to eat" RW> guide for each GP based on the cumulative experience of this list, RW> which I will put up on the web site and put out in the newsletter too. RW> Formula 1 A-Z "R" Part 1 RW> Yes, it's back. Work commitments have eaten into my time too much over RW> the past three weeks, but thanks to a public holiday in the UK I was RW> able to clear the backlog and the A-Z can resume. RW> Reims RW> Reims is another of the old style road courses that used to be common RW> in F1. The track itself was mainly run on public roads though permanent RW> sections were built to make the circuit faster. Many of the new RW> additions to the track required trees and houses to be disposed of! RW> The circuit length was 5.187 miles. Reims held the French GP 11 times RW> between 1950 and 1966. The circuit finally closed in 1970. RW> Rio de Janeiro RW> The Autodromo Nelson Piquet, Jacarepagua was built on reclaimed marsh RW> land 20 miles west of Rio de Janeiro. The track is very flat and the RW> corners are all very 'constant' making the 3.126 mile circuit easier to RW> drive than the more demanding Interlagos. RW> The Brazilian GP has been held here 10 times between 1978 and 1989. RW> Alain Prost won five of those ten races. RW> Rouen RW> Rouen has held the French GP on five occasions between 1952 and 1968. RW> The circuit is still active and is set in beautiful woodland about RW> eight miles south west of Rouen. RW> The main feature of the track is the hairpin turn followed by an RW> uphill run back into the main circuit body. RW> Dan Gurney hold the record for the most F1 wins here, with two (1962, RW> 1964). RW> Riverside RW> The Riverside track hosted the US GP once. Stirling Moss won the race RW> (1960) though Dan Gurney (who started 3rd) was a pre race favourite. RW> (Gurney won 5 Nascar and 2 Indy races here). RW> The track was set in the desert near the San Bernadino mountains east RW> of Los Angeles. The circuit featured an uphill esses section that was RW> particularly demanding. RW> The track was closed in 1988, after the L.A. urban sprawl overtook it. RW> RAM RW> Some teams achieve greatness, others have it thrust upon them. Then RW> there are teams like RAM, who despite trying very hard never made it RW> into the victory parade. RW> RAM entered 31 races between the 1983 Brazilian GP and the 1985 RW> European GP. Based in Bicester (England) the team's best result was 8th RW> (Palmer 1984, Brazil) and their best qualifying was 14th (Winklehock, RW> 1985 Canada) RW> Rebaque RW> Hector Rebaque was another driver who founded his own team. Based in RW> Poole (Construction) and Leamington Spa (Team HQ) (both England) the RW> team only started one GP (with their own car), the 1979 Canadian event. RW> Hector was the driver, he qualified 22nd and retired due to engine RW> mounting failure. RW> Before building their own car, the Rebaque team had used a Lotus RW> chassis fitted with a Cosworth V8. RW> Renault RW> One of the most dominant engine suppliers ever, the Renault engine is RW> very close to it's 100th GP win. RW> While the engine has fuelled recent Williams and Benetton success, RW> Renault have also raced in F1 as a constructor. RW> They entered 123 races, setting 31 poles, 18 fastest laps and winning RW> 15 races. Prost won 9, Arnoux 4 and Jabouille 2. RW> Rial RW> Based in Fussgoenheim (Germany) the Rial team started 20 races between RW> the 1988 Brazilian GP and the 1989 Canadian GP. RW> Their best qualifying was 12th, which they managed five times (all de RW> Cesaris) and their best result was 4th which they managed twice, de RW> Cesaris in Detroit (1988) and Danner in the 1989 US GP. RW> Rindt RW> Jochen Rindt will sadly be remembered by most people as Formula1's RW> only posthumous World Champion. I hope that this short article will RW> highlight some of the immense talent that was lost that tragic day at RW> Monza. Jochen's debut in the 1964 Austrian GP was not spectacular, his RW> Brabham BT11 BRM retired with steering problems. That was his only race RW> that year For 1965 he had a full time drive in the Cooper team. 4th in RW> Germany and 6th in the US were his first points enough for him to RW> finish 13th in the championship. RW> He stayed with Cooper for 1966, the team had replaced the Climax RW> engines with Maserati and Rindt scored points every time he finished. RW> Three podium finishes were enough to see him finish third in the RW> championship. 1967 was a poor year, the car that had served him well in RW> 1966 let him down eight times. The two races that he finished (Belgium RW> and Italy) both gave him points, but not enough. RW> Jochen joined Brabham in 1968, Brabham were the constructors title RW> winners in 1967 and so this looked like a good move. Sadly in Formula1 RW> things move very quickly and the Brabham cars were not reliable enough. RW> In a season that was similar to 1967 Jochen scored two results (both RW> 3rd) in South Africa and Germany. He also scored his first pole RW> positions in France and Canada. The other races all saw him retire. RW> Colin Chapman offered a Lotus drive for 1969 and Jochen accepted. He RW> qualified on the front row in his first race, though he retired due to RW> a faulty fuel pump. The next two races saw him qualify on pole only to RW> retire. Retirements were beginning to get Jochen down and he was RW> looking to move teams again. Chapman persuaded him to stay with the RW> promise of number 1 status in the team and the new Lotus 72 which would RW> make all the other cars look obsolete. Jochen agreed to stay and in the RW> second half of the 1969 season he gained three podium finishes. The RW> race at Watkins Glen was his first GP win, he had started from pole, RW> set the fastest lap and this time his car had lasted. He had out driven RW> the rest of Formula1, something he had done before, but this time he RW> was rewarded for it. He finished fourth in the championship. In 1970 RW> Colin Chapman delivered his promises, the Lotus 72 was indeed an RW> incredible car, one which would still be winning races in 1974. Jochen RW> won his first race in Monaco, ironically in the old Lotus 49. A RW> retirement in Belgium was followed with wins in Holland, France, RW> Britain and Germany and a retirement in Austria. His final GP was the RW> 1970 Italian race at Monza, rumours of Rindt retiring were rife as his RW> close friends Piers Courage and Bruce McLaren had been killed in the RW> proceeding months, but he decided to race on. He was killed when his RW> Lotus lost control due to mechanical failure, it veered into the RW> barrier at high speed completely destroying the front of the car. RW> Jochen was pronounced dead on arrival at a Milan hospital. The title RW> then became a race between Jacky Ickx, Denny Hulme and Clay Regazzoni. RW> Regazzoni won in Italy, Ickx won in Canada and Mexico, but a surprise RW> win in the US GP by Lotus team mate Emerson Fittipaldi made it RW> impossible for Jochen's total to be overtaken and he became the first RW> and only (thankfully) posthumous World champion. RW> Jochen was one of those rare drivers that could bring a race to life, RW> he loved to race and in many ways he and Gilles Villeneuve were from RW> the same mould. Winning in cars that shouldn't even be in the points RW> let alone leading a GP. RW> 60 races, 6 wins, 10 poles and 3 fastest laps . Sometimes statistics RW> can hide talent, like that of Rindt. Let down by mechanical failure RW> over 35 times he would undoubtedly have been a multiple world champion RW> were it not for poor reliability and that fatal accident at Monza. RW> Rosberg RW> Keke Rosberg started his Formula1 career at the wheel of a Theodore RW> Cosworth, in the 1978 South African GP. After failing to qualify in RW> the next four races he switched to the ATS team for three races. He RW> then went back to Theodore, now using a Wolf Cosworth, for the next RW> five races, and then back to ATS for the last two races in the season. RW> In 1979 he joined the Wolf team full time and endured a terrible RW> season in a difficult car. In nine races, he finished only once RW> recording a single ninth place at the French GP. Wolf Racing merged RW> with Fittipaldi Racing for 1980 and Keke was now at the wheel of a RW> Fittipaldi Cosworth. The season got off to a brilliant start when he RW> finished third in Argentina. After that however things went downhill RW> with a fifth in Italy the only other points collected that year. 1981 RW> was another season to be endured rather than enjoyed, and the RW> Fittipaldi car only finished three races. At the end of the year the RW> team closed and Keke was left without a team. Alan Jones left Williams RW> without a driver for 1982 and Keke was invited to partner Carlos RW> Reutemann at Williams. He started off in brilliant fashion finishing RW> fifth in South Africa and second in Brazil, the US and Belgium. He was RW> disqualified in Brazil for illegal brakes but it hardly him. At last he RW> had a car he could drive. When Reutemann quit after the Brazilian race RW> Keke effectively became the team leader. Consistent podium finishes RW> put him up with the leaders. When Didier Pironi was severely injured at RW> Hockenheim yet another obstacle to the title was removed. Second in RW> Austria and a win in Switzerland put Keke in the championship lead. A RW> twelve point lead with two races to go was enough. John Watson closed RW> the gap to five points but he ran out of races. RW> Defending the championship is an extremely difficult task, like many RW> before him Keke saw his crown pass to another. The 1982 season started RW> badly. disqualification in Brazil (push start) and a retirement in the RW> US did not bode well. His mid season form was fine, six points finishes RW> including a win in Monaco. But from the British GP it all fell apart RW> again. Hardly finishing in the top 10 except for a fifth place in the RW> last race at Kyalami. The first time Williams had run with a turbo RW> powered engine. 1984 was as inconsistent as possible. When he finished RW> a race he was invariably in the points But for various reasons he RW> failed to finish in 12 races. He recorded his third GP win though when RW> he won in Dallas. 1985 was Keke's most successful year in terms of race RW> wins. A poor start saw three retirements in the first three races. A RW> finish in Monaco was the signal for a mini revival. Fourth in Canada RW> was followed by a win in the US and second in France. Five more RW> retirements were followed by four more points scores. 4th in Belgium, RW> third in the European followed by Second in South Africa and a win in RW> the last race of the season at Adelaide. For his final year in Formula1 RW> Keke left Williams and joined the McLaren team. Again, when he finished RW> a race he was in the points, but ten retirements is too many in one RW> season. Even though he was classified fifth after retiring at San RW> Marino and Germany (out of fuel both times). The last performance from RW> Keke came at Monza where he finished fourth. He retired from the final RW> three races. Keke raced in 114 GPs, winning 5. He set 3 fastest laps RW> and started from pole 5 times. He stood on the podium a total of 17 RW> times. RW> News Services RW> We have changed the news pages on the web server and now the News and RW> gossip, news archive, weekly e-mail subscription form and the new RW> daily news e-mail service are all grouped on a single page entitled RW> (rather imaginatively we thought) News Services. RW> Contacting Us RW> While we are always pleased to hear from people on the list, if you RW> are going to write to us try not to resend the whole newsletter with RW> your e-mail, we've already read it (we get the first copy!!) and it is RW> a terrible waste of bandwidth. RW> We can be contacted using either "Neil@bigvern.demon.co.uk" or RW> "F1@bigvern.demon.co.uk". 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RW> Such is life :-) RW> Formula 1 News is written and edited by Neil Whiley at Enigma RW> Publishing (Neil@bigvern.demon.co.uk). RW> ... My favorite Chevy: 1963 Corvette Sting Ray Roadster, in Red. RW> -!- RW> ! Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) ... The Older I get The Faster I WAS! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Tan80 Always!! 8326-1132 (3:800/822) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5P00000 Date: 05/19/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 06:10pm \/To: IAN CAMPBELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Nascar and Mopar? 17 May 97 14:52, Hey Rocky! Ian Campbell pulled Nascar and Mopar? outta his hat!: IC> *** About Nascar and Mopar? RW>>> IE; no rear wheel racers unless they are produced that way at the RW>>> factory. IC> IC> What about the NHRA "Dodge Boys" - those Avengers have Mopar all IC> over them - maybe the parts/service organizations can do as they IC> wish. Advertising is one thing, backing a racer with factory goodies is another. Those Dodge boys were caught cheating with nitrous a year or so ago. Then they staged a break-in of their facility... Chrysler Corp has a hard-on for NASCAR and so you won't find them in the thick of things there. You might find them putting factory backing behind the trucks, but Winston Cup and Busch cars are a long way off. Just my opinion. IC> Chrysler's "Five Star Service" was advertising heavily IC> featuring a CASCAR Mopar V-8 (6?) Avenger!! Perhaps the factory IC> service organization can sponsor through the back door. RW>> It's probably a FWD, V6 Avenger...according to the mandate stated RW>> above, the factory will back this type of racer, but I'd venture to RW>> say, if it was a V8 powered, rear wheel drive Avenger, there RW>> wouldn't be any factory help... IC> IC> No the engine orientation was for a RWD car - the valve covers IC> clearly marked 'Mopar' - I couldn't get a good look at the length of IC> the block and it was pushed back toward the firewall so it could have IC> been a 6 or an 8. Perhaps the ads will run again this weekend and I IC> will get a better look. Interesting. If it's true, it'll be the first rear wheel drive car built by Chrysler in about 17 years. RW>> If your Busch cars are like ours were a few years back, they are V6 RW>> powered. As far as I know, our ASA cars were always V8 powered rear RW>> drive cars. IC> IC> The CASCAR series runs mainly in eastern Canada on (what appear to IC> be) very short tracks. I am not sure that they have a western series IC> - there is only a 3/8 mile dirt oval here now - but they may run IC> in Calgary. They sound like v-8's when they are on the tube. Martin IC> Vincent would probably have a better description - if he is still IC> reading this echo. Sometimes he does. ... Seven consequetive nights makes one weak. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13)