--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5C00007 Date: 05/07/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 07:05pm \/To: GARY SPRINZL (Read 1 times) Subj: Earnhardt - whats up 04 May 97 13:26, Hey Rocky! Gary Sprinzl pulled Re: Earnhardt - whats up outta his hat!: GS> RW>> When you're on the Interstate, get up close behind one of those RW>> 18's..When you get into their draft, your car will suddenly become RW>> quieter, seem to ru smoother and begin to get sucked toward the RW>> backend of the trailer. I followed an 18 from Fresno to Bakersfield RW>> in a VW bug in the fog at 70mph. The fog was high enough that I RW>> couldn't see, but the 18's driver was above GS> GS> Heh. I followed a truck from Blythe to Colton a few years ago, in GS> his draft. The car used maybe 6 gallons of fuel in that 200 mile trip I wonder if the truck driver noticed the fuel milage increase too? Nahh! ... All things being equal, fat people use more soap. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5D00000 Date: 05/08/97 From: ANATOLY GAVRILOV Time: 11:26pm \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re^2: Questions Hello Ralf! >> > I am making a trivia game for my BBS, And I need some questions for it, >> > Its about all types of racing. >> Easy question: >> Which F1 team did start on every Formula One Race from 1950 until today? Ferrari >> Hard Question: >> Which (former) Formula One Champion flew off the track during the >> parade >> lap and remained helpless in the gravel? Damon Hill RMD> Here comes another one (found out by Rudi): RMD> In which Formula One race did all started cars reach the finish- No RMD> crashes, no failures? May be Adelaide 1991? All questions are easy except the last. I can ask another question: (Very Easy) Who won the 1987 Championship F1 ? (Easy) In what year there was a gap 0.5 points between the champion and vice-champion? P.S. I like Quizes. Good luck ! Anatoly. --- F1 Fans! Welcome to F1net! * Origin: Russian Formula 1 Fan Club (2:5020/1063) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5E00000 Date: 05/09/97 From: PATRICK PALCZEWSKI Time: 08:57am \/To: AMANDA LEE (Read 1 times) Subj: Talladega [On 05-09-97, Amanda Lee was heard saying something about Talladega.] AL: : Well if they are concerned, then why don't they make them qualify again :Seems to me that,that would be the logical thing to do. It really wouldn't be fair to any of the drivers who had qualified before and didn't get a chance to race with their qualifying position. The race has only been postponed, so things should be the same. :]Patrick P.[: :]Patrick.Palczewski@110.sasbbs.com[: :]PatinHB@aol.com[: -- SPEED 2.00 #2615: "Wait'll he sees the 8x10s on the bulletin board." --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - (Unregistered) * Origin: Pepper's Station * Huntington Beach, CA (1:103/110.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5E00001 Date: 05/09/97 From: CHRIS EGELAND Time: 09:20pm \/To: PHIL MUTH (Read 1 times) Subj: Nascar and Mopar? PM> RW> Today, there are Dodge trucks racing in the NASCAR Winston Truck serie PM> RW> but are way behind technology-wise, due to no factory backing. And now Mopar has joined the World of Outlaw series (sprint cars), and the entry is supposedly completely factory backed. Anybody know whats been going on in the WoO lately? Chris -Tajhrus Akjaw --- FMail/386 1.02 * Origin: Splatter Counts / Emerado, ND / 701-594-8655 (1:2808/102) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5E00002 Date: 05/09/97 From: SHAWN DUGAN Time: 07:21pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Indy car.. Is anybody out there big on the PPG indy car series.. I am and I was just wondering what you guys thought about the finish at Nazereth and who is looking good at rio this weekend.. Later.. UC --- Illusion v1.94 beta * Origin: The Raging Inferno - Allentown,PA - 610.435.8642 (1:2607/118) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5E00003 Date: 05/09/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 08:30pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Formula One News 075 (May 7) ******************** (-: Formula1 NEWS :-) ********************* The Electronic Formula 1 News Service for the Internet World Wide Web server at http://www.enigmatic.co.uk/formula1/ *** May 7th 1997 *** *** Issue Number 075 *** **************************************************************** In This Issue *Monaco Preview *Schumacher / Benetton *Barnard Confirms Arrow Post *Fast Eddie Does It Again *Schumacher Pips Irvine *ED5 Still Not Ready *Yamaha 'D' Spec Delayed? *Tyre Tests *Testing Roundup *Helping Me To Help You *Formula 1 A-Z "R" *News Services *Contacting Us *Formula1 News Back Issues *How To Change Your Address/Unsubscribe etc. Monaco Preview Williams haven't won at Monaco since 1982 (Keke Rosberg), Ferrari haven't won since 1981 (Gilles Villeneuve). Looking at the past results, McLaren or Benetton would be favourite. For the past two years Jean Alesi has set the fastest lap. The Monaco circuit is a high down force track, which will aid the teams that have less sophisticated aerodynamic styling. M Schumacher, Frentzen, Panis and Fisichella all seem to do well here, though only Schumacher and Panis have won here in F1 races. Recent form would suggest that Villeneuve will start from pole. This is perhaps the most critical track for gaining pole position. The pits at Monaco are odd (to say the least) and F1 cars, with their stiff suspension often come out of the pit exit with the right front wheel off the ground until they fully rejoin the circuit. Qualifying is at 11:00 GMT (12:00 in the UK) and the race starts at 12:30 GMT (1:30 in the UK). Schumacher / Benetton Meanwhile....... Fellow Jordan driver Ralf Schumacher has been linked to Benetton. If he does go to Benetton he really will be following in his brother's footsteps. Michael joined Benetton from Jordan. The breach of contract involving Michael's move to Benetton has just been resolved, with Jordan gaining a six figure compensation sum. Barnard Confirms Arrow Post John Barnard has confirmed that he is now the technical director at TWR Arrows. John Barnard is responsible for many of the features of modern F1 cars, from Carbon Fibre chassis (McLaren) to semi-automatic gearboxes (Ferrari). He replaces Frank Dernie. Fast Eddie Does It Again Eddie Irvine has recaptured the Fiorano track record. He has beaten Michael Schumacher's best time of 59.545 and recorded a blistering 59.501. Eddie is on a roll at the moment, maybe a good bet for a win at Monaco? Schumacher Pips Irvine Almost 24 hours after Eddie Irvine broke the Fiorano lap record, Michael Schumacher lowered it again. Schumacher was testing new aerodynamic modifications to the car but still had the 046/1 engine when he set a best time of 59.100 ED5 Still Not Ready The fabled Ford Cosworth ED5 will not be ready in time for Monaco. So once again the Tyrrell team will have to use an up rated (but still underpowered) ED4 Yamaha 'D' Spec Delayed? Although initial testing has started, it is looking increasingly unlikely that the new 'D' spec Yamaha engine will be ready on time for it's scheduled debut in Barcelona. Until then, the Arrows team will have to struggle on with the current engine. Tyre Tests Bridgestone have conducted their first real 'grooved' tyre test. Prost and Arrows have both tried the 1998 spec Bridgestones. Hill was impressed with the performance (durability) of the tyres saying that they were very consistent. Hill lapped almost 8 seconds slower with the grooved tyres. The World Champion added "The car slid around a lot more which tempted me to say they will bring back the art of driving......the moment I went back to slicks and went six seconds a lap quicker, I forgot about art" Testing Roundup. The Barcelona test session is now over. Jacques Villeneuve ended up fastest overall with a best time of 1.18.41 with Johnny Herbert third fastest with 1.18.84. Alesi remained second overall after setting the fastest times on the first two days. J. Villeneuve Williams Renault 1.18.41 J. Alesi Benetton Renault 1.18.65 J. Herbert Sauber Petronas 1.18.84 H. H. Frentzen Williams Renault 1.19.04 G. Fisichella Jordan Peugeot 1.19.84 A. Wurz Benetton Renault 1.20.14 D. Hill Arrows Yamaha 1.21.73 J. Trulli Minardi Hart 1.23.67 Helping Me To Help You This year, more than any other, I have had hundreds of e-mails asking how to get to and where to stay at particular GPs. As I only really get to go to the British GP on a regular basis, where I stay with my gran who lives not 12 miles from the hallowed ground of Silverstone, I am not the best person to ask for tips. So..... If you have been to a GP that is on the CURRENT calendar, and stayed somewhere cheap, good value. Found a great bar, a great place to sit etc. write to me with details. If you can put "GP Name - Info" (So I would put "Silverstone - Info) in the subject of your e-mail it will help me sort out the more urgent ones (like Spain) from the races that come later in the year. I will then compile a "How to get there, where to stay, where to eat" guide for each GP based on the cumulative experience of this list, which I will put up on the web site and put out in the newsletter too. Formula 1 A-Z "R" Part 1 Yes, it's back. Work commitments have eaten into my time too much over the past three weeks, but thanks to a public holiday in the UK I was able to clear the backlog and the A-Z can resume. Reims Reims is another of the old style road courses that used to be common in F1. The track itself was mainly run on public roads though permanent sections were built to make the circuit faster. Many of the new additions to the track required trees and houses to be disposed of! The circuit length was 5.187 miles. Reims held the French GP 11 times between 1950 and 1966. The circuit finally closed in 1970. Rio de Janeiro The Autodromo Nelson Piquet, Jacarepagua was built on reclaimed marsh land 20 miles west of Rio de Janeiro. The track is very flat and the corners are all very 'constant' making the 3.126 mile circuit easier to drive than the more demanding Interlagos. The Brazilian GP has been held here 10 times between 1978 and 1989. Alain Prost won five of those ten races. Rouen Rouen has held the French GP on five occasions between 1952 and 1968. The circuit is still active and is set in beautiful woodland about eight miles south west of Rouen. The main feature of the track is the hairpin turn followed by an uphill run back into the main circuit body. Dan Gurney hold the record for the most F1 wins here, with two (1962, 1964). Riverside The Riverside track hosted the US GP once. Stirling Moss won the race (1960) though Dan Gurney (who started 3rd) was a pre race favourite. (Gurney won 5 Nascar and 2 Indy races here). The track was set in the desert near the San Bernadino mountains east of Los Angeles. The circuit featured an uphill esses section that was particularly demanding. The track was closed in 1988, after the L.A. urban sprawl overtook it. RAM Some teams achieve greatness, others have it thrust upon them. Then there are teams like RAM, who despite trying very hard never made it into the victory parade. RAM entered 31 races between the 1983 Brazilian GP and the 1985 European GP. Based in Bicester (England) the team's best result was 8th (Palmer 1984, Brazil) and their best qualifying was 14th (Winklehock, 1985 Canada) Rebaque Hector Rebaque was another driver who founded his own team. Based in Poole (Construction) and Leamington Spa (Team HQ) (both England) the team only started one GP (with their own car), the 1979 Canadian event. Hector was the driver, he qualified 22nd and retired due to engine mounting failure. Before building their own car, the Rebaque team had used a Lotus chassis fitted with a Cosworth V8. Renault One of the most dominant engine suppliers ever, the Renault engine is very close to it's 100th GP win. While the engine has fuelled recent Williams and Benetton success, Renault have also raced in F1 as a constructor. They entered 123 races, setting 31 poles, 18 fastest laps and winning 15 races. Prost won 9, Arnoux 4 and Jabouille 2. Rial Based in Fussgoenheim (Germany) the Rial team started 20 races between the 1988 Brazilian GP and the 1989 Canadian GP. Their best qualifying was 12th, which they managed five times (all de Cesaris) and their best result was 4th which they managed twice, de Cesaris in Detroit (1988) and Danner in the 1989 US GP. Rindt Jochen Rindt will sadly be remembered by most people as Formula1's only posthumous World Champion. I hope that this short article will highlight some of the immense talent that was lost that tragic day at Monza. Jochen's debut in the 1964 Austrian GP was not spectacular, his Brabham BT11 BRM retired with steering problems. That was his only race that year For 1965 he had a full time drive in the Cooper team. 4th in Germany and 6th in the US were his first points enough for him to finish 13th in the championship. He stayed with Cooper for 1966, the team had replaced the Climax engines with Maserati and Rindt scored points every time he finished. Three podium finishes were enough to see him finish third in the championship. 1967 was a poor year, the car that had served him well in 1966 let him down eight times. The two races that he finished (Belgium and Italy) both gave him points, but not enough. Jochen joined Brabham in 1968, Brabham were the constructors title winners in 1967 and so this looked like a good move. Sadly in Formula1 things move very quickly and the Brabham cars were not reliable enough. In a season that was similar to 1967 Jochen scored two results (both 3rd) in South Africa and Germany. He also scored his first pole positions in France and Canada. The other races all saw him retire. Colin Chapman offered a Lotus drive for 1969 and Jochen accepted. He qualified on the front row in his first race, though he retired due to a faulty fuel pump. The next two races saw him qualify on pole only to retire. Retirements were beginning to get Jochen down and he was looking to move teams again. Chapman persuaded him to stay with the promise of number 1 status in the team and the new Lotus 72 which would make all the other cars look obsolete. Jochen agreed to stay and in the second half of the 1969 season he gained three podium finishes. The race at Watkins Glen was his first GP win, he had started from pole, set the fastest lap and this time his car had lasted. He had out driven the rest of Formula1, something he had done before, but this time he was rewarded for it. He finished fourth in the championship. In 1970 Colin Chapman delivered his promises, the Lotus 72 was indeed an incredible car, one which would still be winning races in 1974. Jochen won his first race in Monaco, ironically in the old Lotus 49. A retirement in Belgium was followed with wins in Holland, France, Britain and Germany and a retirement in Austria. His final GP was the 1970 Italian race at Monza, rumours of Rindt retiring were rife as his close friends Piers Courage and Bruce McLaren had been killed in the proceeding months, but he decided to race on. He was killed when his Lotus lost control due to mechanical failure, it veered into the barrier at high speed completely destroying the front of the car. Jochen was pronounced dead on arrival at a Milan hospital. The title then became a race between Jacky Ickx, Denny Hulme and Clay Regazzoni. Regazzoni won in Italy, Ickx won in Canada and Mexico, but a surprise win in the US GP by Lotus team mate Emerson Fittipaldi made it impossible for Jochen's total to be overtaken and he became the first and only (thankfully) posthumous World champion. Jochen was one of those rare drivers that could bring a race to life, he loved to race and in many ways he and Gilles Villeneuve were from the same mould. Winning in cars that shouldn't even be in the points let alone leading a GP. 60 races, 6 wins, 10 poles and 3 fastest laps . Sometimes statistics can hide talent, like that of Rindt. Let down by mechanical failure over 35 times he would undoubtedly have been a multiple world champion were it not for poor reliability and that fatal accident at Monza. Rosberg Keke Rosberg started his Formula1 career at the wheel of a Theodore Cosworth, in the 1978 South African GP. After failing to qualify in the next four races he switched to the ATS team for three races. He then went back to Theodore, now using a Wolf Cosworth, for the next five races, and then back to ATS for the last two races in the season. In 1979 he joined the Wolf team full time and endured a terrible season in a difficult car. In nine races, he finished only once recording a single ninth place at the French GP. Wolf Racing merged with Fittipaldi Racing for 1980 and Keke was now at the wheel of a Fittipaldi Cosworth. The season got off to a brilliant start when he finished third in Argentina. After that however things went downhill with a fifth in Italy the only other points collected that year. 1981 was another season to be endured rather than enjoyed, and the Fittipaldi car only finished three races. At the end of the year the team closed and Keke was left without a team. Alan Jones left Williams without a driver for 1982 and Keke was invited to partner Carlos Reutemann at Williams. He started off in brilliant fashion finishing fifth in South Africa and second in Brazil, the US and Belgium. He was disqualified in Brazil for illegal brakes but it hardly him. At last he had a car he could drive. When Reutemann quit after the Brazilian race Keke effectively became the team leader. Consistent podium finishes put him up with the leaders. When Didier Pironi was severely injured at Hockenheim yet another obstacle to the title was removed. Second in Austria and a win in Switzerland put Keke in the championship lead. A twelve point lead with two races to go was enough. John Watson closed the gap to five points but he ran out of races. Defending the championship is an extremely difficult task, like many before him Keke saw his crown pass to another. The 1982 season started badly. disqualification in Brazil (push start) and a retirement in the US did not bode well. His mid season form was fine, six points finishes including a win in Monaco. But from the British GP it all fell apart again. Hardly finishing in the top 10 except for a fifth place in the last race at Kyalami. The first time Williams had run with a turbo powered engine. 1984 was as inconsistent as possible. When he finished a race he was invariably in the points But for various reasons he failed to finish in 12 races. He recorded his third GP win though when he won in Dallas. 1985 was Keke's most successful year in terms of race wins. A poor start saw three retirements in the first three races. A finish in Monaco was the signal for a mini revival. Fourth in Canada was followed by a win in the US and second in France. Five more retirements were followed by four more points scores. 4th in Belgium, third in the European followed by Second in South Africa and a win in the last race of the season at Adelaide. For his final year in Formula1 Keke left Williams and joined the McLaren team. Again, when he finished a race he was in the points, but ten retirements is too many in one season. Even though he was classified fifth after retiring at San Marino and Germany (out of fuel both times). The last performance from Keke came at Monza where he finished fourth. He retired from the final three races. Keke raced in 114 GPs, winning 5. He set 3 fastest laps and started from pole 5 times. He stood on the podium a total of 17 times. 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This publication is free for the Internet community and may be freely distributed to news groups and forums provided it is reposted completely, in a wholly unedited form complete with this copyright notice and credited to Neil Whiley. None of these articles are guaranteed 100% true, accurate or correct. We report it as we hear it. In many cases one weeks story will be completely contradicted by next weeks. Such is life :-) Formula 1 News is written and edited by Neil Whiley at Enigma Publishing (Neil@bigvern.demon.co.uk). ... My favorite Chevy: 1963 Corvette Sting Ray Roadster, in Red. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5E00004 Date: 05/09/97 From: ROY WITT Time: 08:32pm \/To: PHIL MUTH (Read 1 times) Subj: Nascar and Mopar? 08 May 97 00:59, Hey Rocky! Phil Muth pulled Nascar and Mopar? outta his t!: PM> Sorry to be so behind in the thread (just started d/l it). Richard PM> Petty's Dodge entry *is* factory-backed. Yes... PM> I think Mopar is testing the waters with the truck series before PM> moving back into the other NASCAR circuits. Highly unlikely! Mopar has asserted it's option to stay out of NASCAR racing as we know it for the last 25 or so years...Ever since they felt they were being legislated against by NASCAR for their hemi engine. The new mandate is that Mopar will not back anything which doesn't represent the vehicles as they sell them. IE; no rear wheel racers unless they are produced that way at the factory. ... The Car of the Year award is a great way to launch an all-new car. --- * Origin: Bow Tie Racers, Been There, WON That! (1:202/909.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5E00005 Date: 05/08/97 From: RIC JOHNSON Time: 09:56pm \/To: ROY WITT (Read 1 times) Subj: Trans-Am RW> RJ> Second and third were Gloy Racing teammates Brian Simo and Dorsey RW> RJ> Schroeder making it a Mustang sweep of the top three. RW> RW> I kinda figured that would be the case. With no factory backing from RW> Chevrolet, it seemed to me to be an all Ford year in SCCA RW> Trans Am racing. RW> So far, it's been that way. I went back and rechecked the results and actually it was a Mustang sweep of the top 6 positions, the first time in many moons that Chevy was that far out of the picture. However, it's not all doom and gloom for the bowtie boys, even without the factory support. Paul Gentilozzi and his Rocketsports Camaro seem to be able to hold their own with the 'Stangs, and Greg Pickett and others are not far off and supposedly have some more tricks up their sleeve for the upcoming races. Gentilozzi was leading St. Pete right up 'til the end when Kendall pressured him into a mistake, and Paul was only running on 7 cylinders. Gentilozzi was quick again in Phoenix, but a temporary mechanical problem early in the race dropped him 9 laps off the pace. Once he got it straightened out and going he was consistently the quickest car on the track and took the honors for fastest race lap even though his finishing position wasn't worth mentioning. rj ___ X MegaMail 2.10 #1607:"Andretti in the basement? Whine cellar!" --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Iowa Midi BBS-Des Moines Ia(515)262-1370*28.8kUSR-DS (1:290/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: E5F00000 Date: 05/09/97 From: JOE NORRIS Time: 07:03pm \/To: RALF M. DICKHUT (Read 1 times) Subj: Questions Hello Ralf, Just caught these questions while reading the echo. Don't know if anyone else answered them or not, but here's my input: -=> Quoting Ralf M. Dickhut to Ray Turner <=- > Which F1 team did start on every Formula One Race from > 1950 until today? Ferrari > Hard Question: > Which (former) Formula One Champion flew off the track > during the parade lap and remained helpless in the > gravel? Alain Prost, driving for Ferrari at Imola in 1991. RMD> Here comes another one (found out by Rudi): RMD> In which Formula One race did all started cars reach RMD> the finish- No crashes, no failures? That one I don't know right off the top of my head. I'd have to do some digging! Joe Norris ... Remembering "the Bear" - Denis Hulme, 1936-1992 -=- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#4185) * Origin: Rapid River BBS 715-435-3855 (1:238/350)