--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFL00000 Date: 11/16/96 From: ALAN J. CLAFFIE Time: 04:46pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Autorace Echo Rules AUTORACE ECHO RULES Last Revised: October 1, 1995 The rules of this echo are: 1. The moderator strongly objects to personal attacks and argument for its own sake. People who make personal attacks will not be tolerated in this conference. 2. Stay on topic. Keep at least one foot on the subject of auto racing. If a topic is declared off-topic by the moderator, please respect his decision and let the thread disappear. 3. Unless specifically excepted, discussion of the rules of this conference is off topic. Discussion of the moderating of the echo is off topic. If you wish to offer suggestions, please leave the Moderator mail through either NetMail or his E-mail address. 4. No commercial advertising will be allowed in this echo. 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Claffie AUTORACE Moderator aclaffie@vgernet.net ... e-mail me at aclaffie@vgernet.net --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: * Home of the AutoRace Moderator, Bones BBS 413-496-9707 * (1:321/505) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFL00001 Date: 11/16/96 From: MAX LAKE Time: 03:36pm \/To: GLEN HARNESS (Read 5 times) Subj: Re: Fatal accidents GH> Bonnett, Allison, Allison, and Kulwicki were not killed in an actual GH> race. D. Allison and Kulwicki weren't even killed in race cars. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 * 8 of 10 people suffer hemorrhoids. Two enjoy them. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0530 * Origin: Collector's Edition * Dallas, TX * 214-351-6548 (1:124/2143) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFL00002 Date: 11/09/96 From: PETER CURLE Time: 08:50am \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Formula 1 Sat Nov 09 08:33:07 1996 ******************** (-: Formula1 NEWS :-) ********************* The Electronic Formula 1 News Service for the Internet World Wide Web server at http://www.enigmatic.co.uk/formula1/ *** November 6th 1996 *** *** Issue Number 51 *** **************************************************************** In This Issue *Schumacher *Lola Confirm *Nakajima Joins Tyrrell *Sauber Confirm Cosworth *Chinese GP Back In The News *Jordan Drivers *Formula 1 A-Z *Formula1 News Back Issues Schumacher Michael Schumacher appears to have signed with Ferrari for a further two years, which will see him stay with the team until the 1999 season. The two year extension is rumoured to be worth 50 Million !!. I am assuming he gets subsidised lunches as part of this deal :-) Lola Confirm Lola have confirmed that they will be in F1 this season (1997) and this week they announced their new sponsorship deal with credit card giants MasterCard. Lola will initially run the Ford Cosworth V8 until their own engine is ready. Drivers tipped for the Lola seats include Riccardo Rosset and Tom Kristensen. Nakajima Joins Tyrrell Satoru Nakajima has joined Tyrrell as the new "Sporting Director". He brings with him substantial backing from PIAA, a new test driver (Toranosuke Takagi) and an increased presence for Tyrrell in the Pacific market. The most useful short term benefit to the team will be the cash from PIAA. Sauber To Confirm Cosworth Sauber are expected to confirm that they will use the Cosworth engine next season. The team are looking at producing their own engine for 1998. Chinese GP Back In The News The Chinese GP was back in the news this week, the purpose built circuit is tipped for a place on the 1998 calendar. Jordan Drivers Jordan currently have Martin Brundle, Jos Verstappen, Jean Christophe Boullion, Alesandro Zanardi, Jean Alesi, Emmanuelle Collard and Erik Comas linked to their second seat. If you hurry, you too could be added to the list ;-). Alesi, Zanardi, Collard and Comas are all unlikely, Verstappen's chances appear slim which only leaves Boullion and Brundle. Benson & Hedges and Peugeot are both rumoured to prefer Brundle, and Ralf Schumacher would also prefer the experienced Brundle alongside. Formula 1 A-Z C is for............. Climax The Climax engine won four constructors championships and four drivers championships between 1957 and 1969. 2 for Jack Brabham in the Cooper Climax and 2 for Jim Clark in the Lotus Climax. Climax are fifth in the engine manufacturers tables for wins (40), Pole positions (44) and highest points totals (866.5) Cooper The Cooper team are world famous for the association with the Mini car. The Mini Coopers featured in the Italian Job are the stuff of legend. The Cooper team were responsible for Formula 1 cars switching from front mounted to rear mounted engines. This change enabled Cooper, with Jack Brabham to win the Drivers and Constructors titles in 1959 and retain both titles in 1960. The team left Formula 1 at the end of 1969. Clark For many people Jim Clark is the greatest driver that ever lived. His record of 25 wins from 72 races is very impressive. What is worth mentioning is his fantastic record of achievement. Of the F1 races he finished, only six times was he outside the points. When he did finish he invariably won. Jim Clark only finished second once, third six times and 4th - 6th eight times. World Champion in 1963 and 1965, Tasman cup champion in 65, 67 and 68, British Touring Car Champion in 1964, British F2 champion in 1965 and French F2 champion in 1965. Oh yeah, he also won the Indy 500 in 1965, he probably had nothing better to do that weekend ;-) Chiron Louis Chiron may not be known to many of you, he ran the Monte Carlo Rally and the Monaco GP until 1979 when he died. Chiron is included in this section because he holds a record that is very unlikely to be broken. In the 1955 Monaco GP he finished sixth, in those days no points was awarded for sixth. So what record does he hold? Louis Chiron was 55 years and 292 days old, making him the oldest driver ever to compete in a Formula1 GP. He tried to qualify for the Monaco GP in 1956 but he suffered two blown engines, his final appearance was in practice for the 1958 Monaco GP when he was 58. He did not qualify or race that day either. Casablanca Casablanca has hosted one GP. The 1958 Moroccan GP, which was won by Stirling Moss. Moss also started from pole and set the fastest lap on his way to his fourth win of the season. The course was built out of public roads and had a lap distance of 4.472 miles. de Cesaris Andrea de Cesaris has the second highest number of GP starts (208). His GP career stretched from the 1980 Canadian GP (Alfa Romeo) until the 1994 European GP at Jerez (Sauber). He never won, but he did set one pole position at Long Beach in 1982, and one fastest lap at Spa in 1983. It is fair to say de Cesaris had more than his fair share of retirements (over 140!!) many of which were not his fault. Still, many people remember him for colliding with other drivers, the list of which is long and distinguished: Prost (twice), Villeneuve, Daly (twice), Arnoux, Winklehock, Senna, Piquet, Pirro, Alesi, Gounon and Morbidelli. Cevert Francois Cevert was a champion in waiting. He partnered Jackie Stewart at Tyrrell and in 1973 (Stewart's final year) he finished second five times. He was expected to do well in 1974 and many people thought that he would be able to mount a serious challenge for the title. Sadly he never made it into the 1974 season. In the last race of 1973 (Watkins Glen) he lost control of his car during qualifying, the car hit the barriers with such force that he stood no chance of surviving. Courage Son of the Courage Brewery Chairman, Piers was great friends with Frank Williams. Piers drove the Brabham BT26A Cosworth that Frank Williams entered for the 1969 season. Two second places (Monaco and the US) and two fifth places (Britain and Italy) were a good result for the pairs first F1 season together. In 1970, Frank Williams Racing Cars (as it was called then) ditched the trusty Brabham in favour of a de Tomaso 505 Cosworth. Piers failed to finish in the first four races due to mechanical problems. The fifth race, at Zandvoort was to be his last. It is still unclear why, but his car ran wide at a corner and ran up a bank which caused it to overturn. With Piers trapped by the upturned car it burst into flames and the driver sadly stood no chance of surviving. Formula1 News Back Issues If you are a new or recent subscriber to Formula1 News, back issues can be obtained from the home page under the news archive link. You might have to save the pages as "text" and view them in your word processor to get the text to wrap properly. The newsletters are formatted in Courier 12pt (I know it is a sh*te font, but everyone has a copy) and are best viewed in this or in your favourite monospaced font. You may have to adjust the point size if you use a font other than Courier. 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In many cases one weeks story will be completely contradicted by next weeks, such is life :-) Formula 1 News is written and edited by Neil Whiley at Enigma Publishing (Neil@bigvern.demon.co.uk). ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Greater Hamilton BBS 1:259/106 (905)575-5363 (1:3615/51) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFL00003 Date: 11/13/96 From: PETER CURLE Time: 10:48am \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Formula 1 The Times: November 13 1996 FORMULA 1 Alesi holds departure talks with Benetton BY OLIVER HOLT JEAN ALESI, the French Formula One driver, who survived a bid to oust him from the Benetton team in favour of Damon Hill at the end of last season, could still be forced out before the start of next season and replaced by the Italian driver, Giancarlo Fisichella. Alesi and Flavio Briatore, the Benetton managing director, held an urgent meeting at the team's headquarters at Enstone, Oxfordshire, on Monday to discuss his future in light of the reduced revenue that the team can expect from sponsors because of its moderate performances last year. Alesi and Gerhard Berger, his Austrian team-mate, failed to record a victory between them in 1996 after the feast of triumphs brought by Michael Schumacher in the previous two years. The drought is thought to have cost Benetton several million pounds in their performance-related deal with their main sponsors, Mild Seven, the Japanese tobacco company. A mixture of bad luck and bad judgment cost Alesi and Berger the chance of victory throughout the season. Alesi would have won the Monaco Grand Prix in May but for mechanical problems, and Berger was two laps from victory in Germany in July when his engine blew. Against that, Alesi's rash style infuriated a team used to the metronomic performances of Schumacher and prompted season-long speculation that he would be off-loaded. Another blow for Benetton came when Ferrari edged them out of second place in the constructors' championship that they had won the year before, costing them several million pounds more. Berger is thought to have a water-tight contract, but although Alesi is keen to stay at Benetton, they might not be able to afford him. The Jordan team, who missed out to Arrows in the race for Hill and who still have a vacant seat alongside Ralf Schumacher, are waiting in the wings. * Ferrari have broken off talks with Sauber over supplying engine technology to the Swiss-based Formula One team because details were leaked to the press. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- PCBoard (R) v15.23/100 * Origin: Greater Hamilton BBS 1:259/106 (905)575-5363 (1:3615/51) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFL00004 Date: 11/15/96 From: PETER CURLE Time: 01:09pm \/To: ALL (Read 5 times) Subj: Formula 1 The Times: Sport: November 15 1996 Hill catches cold after promising start FORMULA 1 BY OLIVER HOLT DAMON HILL was speaking from Osaka, from a hotel built on a man-made island near the new airport where the packed earth is shifting almost as quickly as the fortunes of a Formula One driver. He was explaining what had gone wrong at Suzuka yesterday on the first day of the rest of his professional life. It was not quite the return that he had been hoping for. His first visit to the circuit since he won the drivers' world championship there last month, his first time behind the wheel of a grand prix car since he leapt out of a Williams-Renault that day and rushed over to hug his wife, Georgie, had ended in an embarrassing premature departure. The crash, that forced the abrupt cancellation of the second day of a test planned to familiarise him with the Bridgestone tyres that his new Arrows team will use next season, left his car shattered but his sense of humour intact. "We had to stop because there was a small problem with the right-hand side of the car," he said. "Basically, it was not there any more." Hill, driving in a Ligier because he is too tall to fit in the 1996 Arrows, lost control as he tried to negotiate the hairpin at the Japanese circuit on cold tyres. He spun into a concrete wall at about 70mph and then rebounded across the track, with tyres and debris flying into the air, before the car came to rest on a grassy run-off area. "With cold tyres on a cold track, there was very little grip and the car spun a long way," Hill said. "It hit the wall hard, which accounted for all the damage. It was a real shame because we were making such good progress." He was shaken but not hurt. The Ligier, the only one that had been taken to the session, was too badly damaged to be repaired at the circuit so Hill, 36, checked out of his hotel and endured a four-hour journey to Osaka courtesy of an over-cautious taxi driver. He will fly home to Dublin today. He is not likely to drive again until the 1997 Arrows is unveiled some time in early January. The accident was an incon gruous end to what had, until then, been a startling performance by Hill. In the 30 laps that he managed before his accident, Hill wrestled the two-year-old car round the circuit more than a second and a half quicker than it had ever been before there. His fastest lap of 1min 40.1sec was only eight tenths of a second slower than the time that he set to qualify his Williams-Renault second on the grid for the Japanese Grand Prix last month. His time yesterday would have given him fourth place on the grid. It was the first indication that there may indeed be life after Williams for a driver whose reputation has hitherto been haunted by the excellence of his equipment. "In spite of the accident, I really feel it was very worthwhile coming here to experience my first test with Bridgestone," Hill said. "If this short experience is anything to go by, I think it is going to be an extremely productive year. "The first problem about being in a new team is trying to remember everybody's names, but I should get on top of that soon. The thing I can say is that there is certainly added excitement to a change of environment. I spent six years at Williams and too much familiarity can be a bad thing. "There is a lot of enthusiasm here and it felt very good to be back in the car again. It reminded me of why I do it; I got a real kick out of it. I am not under any illusions about next year. It is going to be a while before we get where we want to be, but there is no question that, however sceptical you might be, you cannot argue with today's lap times. It was certainly very encouraging. "I get a good feeling working with the team and talking to the team, and there is a lot of excitement about the upcoming season. I am really keen to see the new car when it comes out in January." ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- PCBoard (R) v15.23/100 * Origin: Greater Hamilton BBS 1:259/106 (905)575-5363 (1:3615/51) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFN00000 Date: 11/11/96 From: BOB TANNER Time: 11:22pm \/To: JOE NORRIS (Read 5 times) Subj: Dick Trickle Dear Joe Norris, If you don't reply, at least send money! JN> Others on the echo who follow WC racing even closer than I do JN> probably have the stats to look at, but I'm pretty sure Dick JN> has has at least a few Top 10s this season. Also, let's not JN> forget that he won the Winston Open a few years back, running JN> the 66 car. Doing a very quick count, I have Dick finishing in the top ten only once this season. His best finish has been 3rd (three times - most recent: 1990 Budweiser 500). His best year was his official rookie year, 1989. He was in the Stavola Buick (I think it was sponsored by Snickers at the time), and had 6 top five's and nine top ten's. Dick actually ran a Cup (then; Grand national) race back in 1970. I didn't know about the Winston Select Open win. This must have been a ride in Cale's old Trop-Artic #66? Bob Tanner (Hoosier, now living in Lower Alabama) bobtanner@aol.com bob.tanner@bytebbs.com 7 November, 1996 ... Faith means not wanting to know what is true. - Neitzsch ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- PCBoard (R) v15.3 (OS/2) 5 * Origin: Byte Junction, Citronelle, Alabama, 334-866-7895 (1:3625/500) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFN00001 Date: 11/18/96 From: BOB DAVIS Time: 07:34pm \/To: Z (Read 6 times) Subj: ** B00000 --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: The Full Moon BBS * Memphis, TN * 901-386-1760 * (1:123/29) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 142 AUTO RACING Ref: DFP00000 Date: 11/18/96 From: CARRIE REAVES Time: 10:51am \/To: DENNIS JENKINS (Read 5 times) Subj: Re: Robbie Gordon DJ> You sent your reply to the wrong guy. Sorry!!!!! =) --- TriToss (tm) Professional 10.0 - (Unregistered) * Origin: The Outhouse * Centerville, Ga. * (912) 953-6558 (1:3611/28.0)