--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAE00005 Date: 06/08/97 From: VICTORIA MACKEY Time: 10:34pm \/To: JAY P. HAILEY (Read 6 times) Subj: More about Trek Books JPH> Victoria, which Trek books are your favorites? My top ten picks (in no real order): "The Wounded Sky" - Diane Duane "Rules of Engagement" - Peter Morwood "The Galactic Whirlpool" - David Gerrold "Vendetta" - Peter David "How Much for Just The Planet?" - John Ford "Prime directive" - Judith and Garfiled Reeves-Stevens "The Entropy Effect" - Vonda McIntyre "Q Squared" - Peter David "The Kobayashi Maru" - Julia Ecklar "The Romulan Way" - Duane & Morwood Victoria Aeron Mackey --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ArcticNet (1:138/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAE00006 Date: 06/08/97 From: TARIQ ABDEL-RAZAQ Time: 01:09pm \/To: VICTORIA MACKEY (Read 6 times) Subj: Greetings Hello Victoria! VM> You're right, I missed that one. VM> We get a repeat of "Rapture", "In the Cards", and then the season VM> finale. In the Cards... From the preview I saw it looks like a setup for the finale. ... ******************************************* ... Tariq Abdel-Razaq || Mister_green@juno.com ... ******************************************* ... "Why do those three dots keep following me?" -Paranoid Tagline ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.23 * Origin: << Crystal Aerie >> (703) 415-0134 (1:109/1111) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00000 Date: 06/09/97 From: VICTORIA MACKEY Time: 10:03pm \/To: OWEN E. OULTON (Read 6 times) Subj: Holographic StarFleet VM> As aired, though, Saavik could not have been aboard the VM> Bozeman when it jumped through time. The Bozeman was VM> from the year 2278. Saavik graduated from the Academy VM> circa 2285 (ST2). Too bad, woulda been a nice touch. OEO> Since she held the rank of Lieutenant, I really doubt OEO> that she was just graduating. Given the nature of the OEO> Kobiyashi Maru test and her rank, she was almost OEO> certainly there taking a Command officer's course of OEO> some sort. The entries in the Okudapedia regarding this and OEO> Kirk's rank on graduation OEO> make it quite clear that Mike, Denise and Debbie are OEO> not all that well informed about how a military works. Understood on all counts. Having been in the military I am painfully aware of how clueless the St staffers have been over the years. However, that is the more-or-less official account of Saavik, so that's what I used in the above reply. In any case of Saavik's status in 2285, she still would not have been on the Bozeman in 2278. Victoria Aeron Mackey --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ArcticNet (1:138/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00001 Date: 06/09/97 From: VICTORIA MACKEY Time: 10:05pm \/To: JON FOSTER (Read 6 times) Subj: DSN JF> I was at a Science Fiction convention when Blood Oath JF> aired and there were about 20 of us in the suite that JF> we rented for the con to use as our Embassy, and when JF> we heard Michael Ansara's voice almost all of all JF> cheered... It took me a couple episodes to place the voice, but he's also been voicing Mr. Freeze in the "Batman" cartoons Fox has been showing the last couple of years. Also liked him quite a bit as the Technomage on B5 a couple of seasons ago. Victoria Aeron Mackey --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ArcticNet (1:138/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00002 Date: 06/09/97 From: VICTORIA MACKEY Time: 10:12pm \/To: OWEN E. OULTON (Read 6 times) Subj: More about Trek Books JPH> ones. OEO> I fail completely to see where Peter David has gotten OEO> his reputation from. He's really only an average SF OEO> writer. True, he's head and shoulders above the sad OEO> examples who write most of what Pocket fobs off on us OEO> as Trek books, but compared to other SF authors he's, OEO> well, just kinda OK. David may not be a good SF author. I agree with you on this point. Hpwever, he is a good St author. Of course most of the time ST is not really SF. Or at least it's not really good SF. OEO> Time to read some *REAL* SF OEO> authors, people. R.A. Heinlein, A.C. Clarke, James OEO> Blish, Isaac Asimov, Ted Sturgeon, David Drake, Harry OEO> Harrison, David Weber, Robert Sawyer, Harry OEO> Turtledove... Harlan Ellison, Allen Steele, Robert Frezza, David Gerrold, Nicola Griffith, William Gibson, Fred Pohl, Poul Anderson, Alfred Bester, P.K. Dick, Joe Haldeman, Larry Niven... Vixtoria Aeron Mackey --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ArcticNet (1:138/34) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00003 Date: 06/09/97 From: CHRISTOPHER KAUFIN Time: 10:20pm \/To: JAY P. HAILEY (Read 5 times) Subj: Dsn ---==================----[0 ;37;40m TR>And what, pray tell is RETCON?!! It means Retro-active Continuity. Like when a TeeVee show changes an element of its story telling and the pretends that it has always been that way ---==================----[0 ;37;40m Example: The switching of the actress that played 'Becky' on the TV show Rosanne. \\/ (willowolf@juno.com) --- VFIDO 7.13 * Origin: Adult Only Entertainment! (1:209/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00004 Date: 06/09/97 From: JAY P. HAILEY Time: 10:22am \/To: OWEN E. OULTON (Read 5 times) Subj: DSN Tribblations OEO>That's not really true. If they'd wanted to retcon the ridgies, they'd onl OEO>have needed to alter a very few TOS Klingons - Michael OEO>Pataki (Korax) to name one. He'd be a sticky one to alter. OEO> Any others could have been OEO>replaced with bluescreen techniques in the very few scenes OEO>where they used original Klingon footage. The parts where they added the DS9 crew were done with green screens and very careful computer controlled camera movements to match the camera angles in the original episode. I heard that it was tricky and expensive work. Perhaps it was justified for the STARS of the show, but for the extras? I figure that's what would have driven the cost of the episode into the sky. OTOH, they could have refilmed the whole episode and then spliced in the footage of the TOS characters. Despite the YATI, I like they way the episode turned out. It was a fun watch. OEO> Most of the Klingons in the barroom brawl in Trials And OEO>Tribble-ations were new footage (especially the one with the really OEO>*BAD* wig). I thought that the bad wig was a sort of "in joke". OEO> Korax would have been the only real problem, since OEO>his is a key scene and he's such a memorable character (in case OEO>you're not up on who's who, Korax is the drunken First Officer who OEO>compares Kirk to a Denebian Slime Devil and says the Enterprise OEO>should be hauled away as garbage - one of the best scenes ever in OEO>Trek). OEO>CFN, O That was Michael Pataki, who also appeared in the TNG episode "Too Short a Season." They would have had to go ahead and get Michael Pataki back and pretend Korax was thirty years older when he picked the fight or recast the character entirely. Again I think that the episode as aired was the best compromise between cost, effort and technology. I liked it. There were bobbles, certainly. I wish they could settle the "Klingon problem" but really, it's not that important compared to the troubles going on with V'Ger right now. Jay P. Hailey Chief Editor THE UNIVERSE: TREK ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X "I believe in peace and bashing two bricks together." --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Tesla's Tower 5 BBS (1:346/49) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00005 Date: 06/09/97 From: JAY P. HAILEY Time: 10:36am \/To: OWEN E. OULTON (Read 5 times) Subj: More about Trek Books OEO>I fail completely to see where Peter David has gotten his reputation rom. OEO>He's really only an average SF writer. Ah, perhaps he's average as far as the SF goes, but he assembles a story better than many I've seen recently. OEO>True, he's head and OEO>shoulders above the sad examples who write most of what OEO>Pocket fobs off on us as Trek books, but compared to other OEO>SF authors he's, well, just kinda OK. I agree with the "Sad examples" bit. But I maintain that Peter David shows real talent in setting up a story and writing characters into people we give a darn about. OEO>Time to read some OEO>*REAL* SF authors, people. R.A. Heinlein, A.C. Clarke, OEO>James Blish, Isaac Asimov, Ted Sturgeon, David Drake, Harry OEO>Harrison, David Weber, Robert Sawyer, Harry Turtledove... OEO>CFN, O I have just finished reading books by several of the authors on your list. Peter David actually writes better characterizations than A.C. Clark or James Blish. Don't get me wrong, I'll happily read A.C. Clark's laundry lists. He deals with "Big Idea SF" as well as anybody except possibly Niven. The major work I've read from Blish was "Cities in Flight" and that was some time ago. I don't seem to recall lots of characterization in that one. Recently I read the first of Turtledove's World War books. I enjoyed it, although I can't say explicitly why. I did wind up caring what happened to the people and that's where a story seems to make or break for me. I also like tight plots. That's not something RAH is noted for, but for him I make an exception. To see Peter David's real talent as a story craftsman, I recommend the comics he writes. Mind you, the writing in most comics today is semi-literate garbage, but PD cheerfully does intelligent subversive things with the characters. His Trek comics are good for this. I just finished the lastest "Honor Harrington" book from David Weber. Shameless Mary-Sueism. I liked them to start with, but now I'm waiting for him to get to the point. I wonder what if anything Honor Harrington's space opera setting owes to Star Trek? Jay P. Hailey Chief Editor THE UNIVERSE: TREK ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X "Got any more good ideas, Jim?" - McCoy --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Tesla's Tower 5 BBS (1:346/49) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00006 Date: 06/09/97 From: ANSSI NOKELAINEN Time: 08:06pm \/To: CHUCK SMITH (Read 5 times) Subj: DSN > Their created condition would also explain why Tribbles hate them so > much... they aren't genetically "right". Oh.. Nice to know that thing about Tribbles. (* * * :) Has tribbles made anykind of appereance in TNG/DSN or Voyager? --- BBBS/D v3.33 How-D * Origin: Andromeda BBS - 358-14-677348 - 24H - Messuilupurkki - (2:227/43) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 108 STAR TREK Ref: EAF00007 Date: 06/09/97 From: ANSSI NOKELAINEN Time: 08:06pm \/To: ALL (Read 6 times) Subj: The Next Movie Is there any rumours about the next TNG movie? --- BBBS/D v3.33 How-D * Origin: Andromeda BBS - 358-14-677348 - 24H - Messuilupurkki - (2:227/43)