--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGL00001 Date: 12/15/97 From: CAREY BLOODWORTH Time: 09:09pm \/To: JERRY LEE (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ MVA VS. ZIP & RAR JL>archives since I don't want to be looking for a copy of the archiver in he JL>event of a HD problem where I must restore large files from floppies. Why not keep a copy on your emergency boot disk, or one of the recovery disks that also has an anti-virus program, misc DOS utilities you might need (fdisk, format, sys, attrib, editor, scandisk, etc. etc.) and so on. You might even want to have a 'norton recovery' style disk that has a copy of your partition and CMOS etc. on it. It's just good practice to make a couple of emergency disks that are self booting, and contain all the utilities you might need to recover from a HD disaster. If you have a major HD problem, you are probably going to need those types of emergency disks anyway. JL>distinction between SFX and non-SFX archives doesn't change the fact that AR JL>is crippleware, albeit to a very minor extent. Neither Pkzip nor RAR have JL>this sort of limitation in their evaluation packages. You are looking at it from the wrong direction. It's not cripple ware, it's that you get bonus abilities when you support his program. Cripple ware is where the program itself is useless beyond looking at it. (For example, one mail reader only shows just a few messages in each conference. It doesn't even work well enough for you to evaluate it. That's cripple ware.) And as I said before, the ability to do >360K SFX-MVA's aren't even built into the shareware version. That's only available in the full regular version you obtain directly from R.J. And as for PKZip.... You are right... it doesn't have that sort of limiation. Instead, it has the limitation that it can't even _DO_ self extracting MVAs of any size! Which is worse, a limitation of 360k per MVA (and being able to do multiple MVAs per disk), or not being able to do it at all? And with RAR, you have to register it to legally use it for more than a month. (I'm assuming you aren't breaking the law by using it longer than what you are supposed to.....) Of course, I admit I am somewhat biased against RAR. I've just never really considered it to be a 'serious' archiver. If they ever had a sale on RAR, I might consider it for the security shell thing, but beyond that, I'd rather use pkzip, arj, JAR, lha, etc. (I might consider it worth the $15 sysop price, but I'm not a sysop.) --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0162 * Origin: Jackalope Junction 501-785-5381 Ft Smith AR (1:3822/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGL00002 Date: 12/16/97 From: VILLE HIETARINTA Time: 01:43pm \/To: FREDERIC TAES (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit >> Why is it that ARJ, which claims to be "free to use in a noncommercial >> environment", has a crippled multivolume feature which only allows a >> maximum 360K volume in a multivolume archive? > Because you don't need to use SFX archives for a private, non-commercial use: SFX archives are very handy even in a private, non-commercial use... > you can - and are invited to - copy ARJ(.EXE) and to share it with your > friends. Non-SFX archives are not limited at all in the shareware version. > What's the problem ??? I have noticed that sharing stuff with people without experience of computers is best done with SFX archives, as it's easier for them to just type the archive's name than to remember all those cryptic commands required for extraction. --- BBBS/2 v3.42 ToMmIk-5v * Origin: BCG-Box 4 (2:222/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGL00003 Date: 12/16/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 08:23am \/To: JERRY LEE (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit Jerry Lee wrote in a message to David Bowerman: > ???? What crippled multivolume feature? I use it rather often with > 1400KB volumes and it works just fine. Are you trying to create > multi-volume self extracting archives by any chance? JL> Yes I was. As many people have pointed out, this feature JL> limitation only applies to self-extracting multivolume archives. I JL> generally create SFX MVA archives since I don't want to be looking JL> for a copy of the archiver in the event of a HD problem where I JL> must restore large files from floppies. I keep a copy of ARJ (or UNARJ in case of non-MSDOS OS) on my emergency boot floppies just for that situation. It's been rather useful a couple of times when hard drives have died. JL> Having said the above, I still believe ARJ to be the finest JL> archiver ever created and has a feature set that is yet to be JL> matched by any competitor. Yes. As with almost everything, there are tradeoffs involved. ARJ, IMHO, is the best general purpose archiver at this point in time. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGL00004 Date: 12/14/97 From: MORITZ BARTL Time: 05:52pm \/To: HANS MANGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit Hans has told Evgeny Zaretsky someting about "ARJ 360K volume limit": HM> That doesn't make much sense -- RAR is not "free", you have to register HM> it, right? Now, if you register ARJ, you can also create multiple volume HM> self-extracting archives. So what's the difference? You need a commercial registered version of ARJ to create big sfxes. A 'normal' registered version is not enough. /\/\/\/< Moritz Bartl >\/\/\/\/\ --- Lamer Mail v1.7 * Origin: wherever you go - whatever you do -> (2:2480/56.17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGL00005 Date: 12/17/97 From: HANS MANGOLD Time: 05:45am \/To: MORITZ BARTL (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit Hello Moritz! 14 Dec 97 17:52, Moritz Bartl wrote to Hans Mangold: HM>> That doesn't make much sense -- RAR is not "free", you have to HM>> register it, right? Now, if you register ARJ, you can also create HM>> multiple volume self-extracting archives. So what's the HM>> difference? MB> You need a commercial registered version of ARJ to create MB> big sfxes. A 'normal' registered version is not enough. Yes it is. Moritz, I just scanned through LICENSE.DOC, ORDERFRM.DOC and SYSOP.DOC for ARJ 2.60 and I found only one price for a single installation, $45.00 -- I cannot find any special "commercial" registered version. There's a special SysOp offer, but even that comes to $45.00 Here is an excerpt from LICENSE.DOC: === cut === The user who registers receives several benefits: * Technical support by telephone, fax or mail. You can get help with any questions or problems you encounter in using ARJ. * The REGISTERED full version of ARJ. * The REGISTERED full version of REARJ. * The latest version of ARJR, DEARJ, and UNARJ C source code. Most of these are only available to registered users. * The non-demo multiple volume self-extraction module. * The non-demo self-extract module command line option customization feature. * The satisfaction of knowing that you are supporting the development of good, affordable software. === cut === Moritz, where did you find the "commercial" and "normal" details? Frohe Weihnachten! Cheers, Hans --- GoldED/386 2.50+ / Binkley32 / Maximus / Squish / WINDOWS 95 / V34+ * Origin: Digital Encounters * Kamloops BC Canada 250/374-6168 (1:353/710) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGN00000 Date: 12/18/97 From: EVGENY ZARETSKY Time: 10:07pm \/To: HANS MANGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit Hello, Hans. Saturday, December, 13 1997 02:10, Hans Mangold wrote to Evgeny Zaretsky: HM> That doesn't make much sense -- RAR is not "free", you have to HM> register it, right? Now, if you register ARJ, you can also create HM> multiple volume self-extracting archives. So what's the difference? I've never seen many archivers (BOA, RKive etc.) from list, posted here by Eric Vaneberck, but few weeks ago I found ACE v1.0. This RAR-alike archiver beats RAR in speed & compression, so I like it very much. And ACE does not require any registration for personal use. It also allows to create MVSfx-archives with size 720kb and 1440kb without any limitations. But unlike ACE, ARJ works extremely fast and has much more command-line options. With best regards Evgeny --- * Origin: -= Ace 0f Trace HomeStation =- Moskow_..._Russia (2:5020/1299.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGN00001 Date: 12/18/97 From: EVGENY ZARETSKY Time: 10:05pm \/To: CAREY BLOODWORTH (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit Hello, Carey. Saturday, December, 13 1997 22:04, Carey Bloodworth wrote to Evgeny Zaretsky: CB> And really, it breaking a SFX into 360k chunks isn't that big of a CB> problem. You can easily have several chunks on the same diskette, and CB> during extracting, when it prompts you to insert the next disk for the CB> next part, if it's already on that same disk, just go ahead and press CB> 'y' and it'll extract it fine. If it's not on that disk, go ahead and CB> exchange disks like normal. The only difference between this and full CB> size chunks is a slight matter of inconvenience. It still works. (I CB> will admit that this is something non-intuitive. You probably didn't CB> even know that you could do this.) I know all these things, but I prefer to create one 1.44Mb part instead of five with size 360kb. HM> EZ>> Don't you know that shareware vertion of ARJ contains code HM> EZ>> which allows to create multi-volume sfx-archives with size HM> EZ>> more then 360kb, but this part of code is inaccessible. HM> EZ>> That's why I use RAR for this. CB> According to the DOCs, the shareware version _DOES_NOT_ contain that CB> code. It's not just deactivated, but not even there. Sure, shareware ARJ won't create SFX MVA archives with size more then 360kb without low-level code correction. You can only believe me that this limitation may be removed from _shareware_ ARJ, but it's violation of copyright laws, so I don't wanna discuss it anymore. With best regards Evgeny --- * Origin: -= Ace 0f Trace HomeStation =- Moskow_..._Russia (2:5020/1299.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGN00002 Date: 12/16/97 From: ERIC VANEBERCK Time: 07:23am \/To: HANS MANGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: JAR and EMS :-( Hello Hans, Monday December 15 1997, Hans Mangold writes to Eric Vaneberck: EV>> The only big problem is that JAR need EMS memory :-( EV>> I have 8MB RAM and no EMS and JAR can't unpack or pack. HM> Eric, sorry, I don't understand -- why don't you have EMS? I have a diskless(Harddisk) PC with a network card on the PC. I boot from a floppy disk and i have on the floppy disk all drivers to go on the lan. I have not enough place to put EMM386.EXE HM> JAR will first look for EMS and if it cannot find enough, it will HM> look for HM> XMS instead. With 8MB RAM, why not create EMS (or XMS)? HM> Are you running under MS-DOS? Which version? Ms/Dos 6.22 Eric --- Terminate 5.0+ * Origin: Surfing : Point system + QWK + BlueWave (2:293/2009) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGN00003 Date: 12/17/97 From: CRAIG MEEKINS Time: 09:15pm \/To: VILLE HIETARINTA (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit Quotes from the original message written at 13:43:00 on 16-Dec-97 >> with your friends. Non-SF archives are not limited at all in the >> shareware version. What's the problem ??? VH> I have noticed that sharing stuff with people without VH> experience of computers is best done with SFX archives, as it's VH> easier for them to just type the archive's name than to remember VH> all those cryptic commands required for extraction. That's for sure. Especially when you wanted to send a file to a friend via regular mail on a floppy. I can remember getting so frustrated when I was trying to help my brother install some software I had on my pc via phone when I just zipped a file on the disk. Very frustrating! Written using TerMail 5.00 and TMNice 4.2 at 21:15 on 17-Dec-1997 Thanks and take care! C Meekins - Greenville, SC Internet : cmeekins@viperlink.com .!. Don't you wish you could FREQ a Hot Pizza and a Twelve pack? Terminate 5.00/Pro <-- NOW I am playing with POWER! * TerMail/QWK * Terminate IS the final terminal! --- WM v3.10/92-0423 * Origin: Blackbeard's Tavern 803-294-9657 Greenville,SC (1:3639/3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 141 ARJ Ref: EGP00000 Date: 12/18/97 From: JEFF FOY Time: 03:19pm \/To: HANS MANGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: ARJ 360K volume limit HM> MB> You need a commercial registered version of ARJ to create HM> MB> big sfxes. A 'normal' registered version is not enough. HM> Yes it is. Moritz, I just scanned through LICENSE.DOC, ORDERFRM.DOC and HM> SYSOP.DOC for ARJ 2.60 and I found only one price for a single installation, HM> $45.00 -- I cannot find any special "commercial" registered version. You have to buy this "commercial version" at a software retailer. It is different and distinct from the shareware version. * RM 1.31 3223 * non licet --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Memory Alpha - (253) 859-6200 (1:343/311)