--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDB00000 Date: 09/06/97 From: MIKE SPRAGUE Time: 01:55pm \/To: NATHAN BOLLINGER (Read 2 times) Subj: RADIO NEDERLAND NATHAN BOLLINGER TYPED: So I tuned that one in on another radio and found that, even though it was the same programming, it was about 3 seconds ahead of 6165. MIKE SPRAGUE COMMENTS: I have sometimes entertained myself by using two radio receivers to listen to the the same broadcast on different frequencies. Many broadcasters do this. Sometimes the delay is only slight, sometimes it is significant, as in the example you related. If you have a chance, try BBC on 5975 and 6175 kHz during the Eastern Time Zone evening hours (I don't know wheter you have two receivers). --- Opus-CBCS 1.73a * Origin: BlinkLink - Perceiving is believing! 412-766-0732 (1:129/89.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDC00000 Date: 09/06/97 From: CHRIS VANDENBERG Time: 06:55pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: MIRNEWS.382 MIRNEWS.382 6 SEPTEMBER 1997 Spacewalk (EVA): The EVA began on 6.09 at 0107UTC (hatch open) and ended at 0707UTC (hatch closed). Everything went wel l. Directed by the old hand Solovyov (this was his 10th EVA!) Foale did all what he was supposed to do. His main job w as the operation of the Strela , the crane to transport Solovyov to Spektr. Regularly instructed by Solovyov he did th is in a perfect way. Vinogradov observed the 'spacewalkers' from inside MIR, helped them with advices and made image s using video- and other camera's. After 0230UTC the Russians used every 'window' of Altair-2, but mainly for phone o nly. Towards the end of the first window there was a short video transmission in which images made by Vinogradov could be monitored. The inspection of the outersurface of Spektr lasted longer than planned. Solovyov reported about the damages suffered by Spektr. One solarpanel and some radiators were severely damaged. Supp ort struts were broken or buckled. Solovyov did not find holes or punctures. The planned installation of a cap for th e outlet valve for a Vozdukh CO2 scrubber in the Base Block has been put back until another EVA. During the EVA everybody was in a good mood. Although Solovyov had a difficult task to perform , even now and then hi s gasping could be heard, he was fully in control of the situation. Before entering the air-lock Foale had dismantled an American radiation dosimeter for retrieval. At abt. 0702UTC both 'spacewalkers' entered the air-lock and at 0704UTC Foale got orders to close the hatch. Initially the hatch could not be closed, but after using some extra effort Foale could report at 0707UTC that he had succeede d. Solovyov confirmed this after seeing an indicator showing the sign 'hatch closed'. This time for the Russians MOLODTSY and for Foale: WELL DONE. Chris Vandenberg, NL-9165/A-UK3202. --- Maximus 2.01 * Origin: Scoop BBS (The Netherlands) +31-33-2996366 (2:500/202) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDD00000 Date: 09/07/97 From: BRUCE LEGRANDE Time: 11:38am \/To: TOM DELFRATTE (Read 2 times) Subj: MGHZ AND UTC Tom DelFratte wrote in a message to All: TD> First off i picked up a shortwave receiver (works great) the mgz TD> are like 2 to 18 does this meas that a frequency 6955 is really TD> 6.955 mghz or a frequency 14500 is really 14.500 mghz seems logical TD> ! also the utc times are ah' confusing how do you convert to e.s.t TD> ? (i meant means that) This could prove to be an addicting hobby . First off... Welcome to the hobby of SWL (ShortWave Listening) :) Then a small thing regarding abbreviations that you would no doubt notice on your own in a short time, but... The correct abbr for MegaHertz is "MHz" (some people capitalize the "H" - some don't). I know -- picky, picky, picky... :) By using a "G" in the abbr, it MIGHT get confused with "GHz" (GigaHertz) which is equal to 1000 MHz (deffinately MUCH different!). You are correct in your placement of the decimal point in the frequency. UTC (or as it used to be called and still is in places - GMT (Grenwich Mean Time)) can be a bit odd to get used to, and MANY times I have missed a program simply because my brain(?) wasn't working correctly :> AFAIK, There is no special "formula" (other than basic subtraction and addition) for converting to UTC from your local time. It's more like the process that converts civilian (am/pm) time to military (24 hour). There are several programs out that will do the conversion for you and allow you to see (graphically) the zones and what is called the 'grey line' (the point at which the sun drops below the horizon for a specfic geographical location) and displays that on your computer monitor. Probably one of the more well known applications is GEOCLOCK, and should be available at most BBS' that cater to Amateur Radio and Shortwave hobbists, or on the internet using either the www.yahoo.com or www.shareware.com search engine sites. In the later versions of the above program (GEOCLOCK), I believe it was made 'mouse compatable' and you can simply point on a location on the graphical map of the world to have the local time there displayed. This coupled with a good SWL logging program would probably be a big help in finding stations and recording data during your listening sessions. Getting back to the basic manual UTC conversion, all you basically need to know is what your local time 'offset' is from UTC. In my case it is UTC+8 and UTC+7 in the Winter and Summer (respectivly), so at this time of year (BTW: UTC time does NOT - to my knowledge - change with the seasons - ie 'daylight savings' and 'standard' like our local time does here in the USA) I know that UTC time is 7 hours ahead of my local time - therefore I subtract that ammount in order to find the current UTC time. It helps a LOT if you begin the process by using military time (0000-2400). So if it's 5:00pm (in the evening) here then I first need to think of that as 1700 hours, then - since it's 'Daylight Savings Time' (PDT) locally I subtract the 7 hours of the offset and I end up with 1000 hours (1700 - 0700 = 1000) which is 10:00am in the late morning UTC. Now... Since YOUR TZ (Time Zone) is 3 hours later than us here on the West coast, your Summer offset should be the 7 that is ours minus the 3 difference between us (East to West coast) or actually UTC+4. So instead of subtracting the "0700" that I did above, you would only subtract "0400". (ie 1700 - 0400 = 1300 = 1:00pm). Of course, when you are converting the other way (Local TZ to UTC), you would need to ADD instead of SUBTRACT. Suppose you wanted to listen to a program on HCJB (Ecuador) on 9.745 MHz (same as 9,745 KHz, or 9745 on your dial) at 1930 UTC, then you would want to ADD 4 (four) hours to that time in order to find out what your watch/clock should say when you turn the rcvr on, and you should do so at (1930 + 0400 = 2330 = 11:30pm) your local EDT time. (probably wouldn't hurt to turn it on a couple minutes before - at 11:28pm - just in case your clock/watch is a few seconds off ;) In the Winter (during EST) your TZ compared to UTC would be UTC+5, and in Summer (during EDT) it would be UTC+4 (as discussed above). MOST shortwave stations broadcast their schedules and refer to time in UTC, and you should do the same when logging. That way it gives a solid frame of reference and only ONE conversion needs to be done by anyone using your reports - they don't have to convert from YOUR local time to UTC and then to THEIR local time. Less chance for error - and SOME of us (incl yours truly) are still capable of making some rather silly mistakes... ;) Hope this has helped, and I apologize for such a long messsage, but it was the way it was FINALLY explained to me that made sense... Enjoy your listening, and I (and I'm sure others) look forward to hearing from you again... Drop me a line either here, or via netmail, or my E-Mail addy anytime. And if you have trouble locating the program(s) I mentioned above, let me know and I'll try to get them to you. Sincerely, Bruce - kb6lwn - ck1@pacbell.net --- WtrGate v0.93 Unreg * Origin: GreenTree Ground Station * CM88ps * 707-987-3022 (1:2003/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDD00001 Date: 09/08/97 From: TOM WALKER Time: 06:11am \/To: DAVE WAKEFIELD (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Third World Countries -> Thirty years ago, a friend who had escaped from Hungary ventured the -> opinion that, over the coming years, the people then under communism -> would gain more and more freedom, while we (in the USA) would lose -> more and more of our freedoms. I guess history has proven him -> correct. It sure has. One thing puzzles me though. Why would anyone with any sense at all Race Headlong INTO a system of Government that Most of the rest of the world would GIVE THEIR LIVES for a chance of escape FROM? --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: FidoNet International Coordinator Emeritus, for life (1:202/746) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDD00002 Date: 09/08/97 From: BRUCE LEGRANDE Time: 02:30pm \/To: TOM WALKER (Read 2 times) Subj: Third World Countries TOM WALKER wrote in a message to DAVE WAKEFIELD: TW> It sure has. One thing puzzles me though. Why would anyone with any TW> sense at all Race Headlong INTO a system of Government that Most of TW> the rest of the world would GIVE THEIR LIVES for a chance of escape TW> FROM? Tom... I think it may have to do with the fact that we (in general, as Americans) have been 'dumbed down' to the point that many of us no longer know how to dig to find the facts. That and the efforts of several groups (the illuminatti --- WtrGate v0.93 Unreg * Origin: GreenTree Ground Station * CM88ps * 707-987-3022 (1:2003/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDE00000 Date: 09/08/97 From: JOE NICHOLSON Time: 05:10pm \/To: BRUCE LEGRANDE (Read 2 times) Subj: MGHZ AND UTC -=> Quoting Bruce Legrande to Tom Delfratte <=- BL> The correct abbr for MegaHertz is "MHz" (some people capitalize BL> the "H" - some don't). I know -- picky, picky, picky... :) Would you be picky if someone spelled your name legrande? Thanks for pointing that out and emphasizing it Bruce. Hz is for Hertz, a person's name, and those who fail to use the capial "H" are showing their ignorance to the entire world and/or their disrespect for other people. BL> (BTW: UTC time does NOT - to my knowledge - change BL> with the seasons - ie 'daylight savings' and 'standard' BL> like our local time does here in the USA) UTC __ and __ FidoNet do __NOT__ change with the seasons. I leave the clock in the BBS's computer at Pacific Standard Time 12 months of the year. That way I don't have to reset events in FrontDoor and the BBS software twice a year. ... From 116.6 degrees west longitude, 32.7 degrees north latitude, ... unless the North American Plate slips bigtime. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: 9-1-1 FF's LEO's OSHA COMMS (619) 669-0385 (1:202/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDE00001 Date: 09/08/97 From: JAAP VAN.VEEN Time: 09:12pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Selcal recognition Hallo all, This evening I received a phone-call about an article in a newspaper printed in November 1993!! This article was based on in interrupted phone call with me in 1993. The article stated: 'Computer user is following airplanes'. The article assumed that I was able to identify airplanes that crossed the ocean. Of course this is not the case. However it kept my thoughts going. So my question....Does anybody know of a computer program that can translate the 'SelCall' that is transmitted on shortwave to make pilots of a given plane aware that a message is going to be transmitted to them. Jaap --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Uithoorn, 52.14. N, 4.50. E. (2:280/804.3080) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDF00000 Date: 09/10/97 From: DAVID ALLAN Time: 03:07am \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: BBC (Diana) -=> Quoting Matt Smith to ALL <=- MS> BBC had a special extra program on the night Diana died at 0200 MS> Eastern, a time not usually used by BBC on 5975 on the weekends. MS> So far, BBC has been very open about things. Yesterday, they MS> discussed the DUI factor and also mentioned that the photographers MS> were shooting flash photos at the car as it drove at high speed. I just think the BBC did an excellent job! And made shortwave listening come alive again! It was great to hear the voices from inside the country. Even a call-in show where the average folk-were calling in with their opinions... I even heard some 'anti-Diana' comments....some people were angry about everyone puting Diana on a pedestal, when she in fact made many mistakes. (I don't think anyone could blame the BBC for bias coverage....They did a great job covering all the angles, respectfully and professionally) Just my $.02! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dave in Boston (For E-mail, mailto:M1132647211@Hotmail.com) ... I call things as I see them; If I didn't see them, I make them up! --- PCBoard (R) v15.4 (OS/2) 5 Beta * Origin: PandA's Den BBS * Danvers, MA * 508-750-0250 (1:330/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDF00001 Date: 09/09/97 From: HTOM TRITES Time: 04:50pm \/To: TOM DELFRATTE (Read 2 times) Subj: Mghz And Utc At 11:38 AM on 7 Sep 97, Bruce LeGrande said to Tom DelFratte: BL> Tom DelFratte wrote in a message to All: Ahh, you're in EDT at the moment; let me fix something for you: Converting between 12-hour time and 24-hour time: <-- AM --><-- PM --> 12h 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 24h 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 midnite noon dnite (There can be long arguments about whether Midnight is 2400 or 0000; it is agreed, however, that 1200 is Noon.) - = - American Standard Time Zone Names and hour offsets from UCT (GMT): Atlantic Eastern Central Mountain Pacific Alaska HawaiiAleutian Samoa Wake Guam -4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -9 -10 -11 +12 +10 (Note that the International Date Line lies between Samoa and Wake, and those times are ahead of UCT/GMT.) (new name) Universal Coordinated Time = Greenwich Mean Time (old name) Given that it is some time hhmm UCT, the time in the other zone is the sum of hh and the offset, where the offset is understood to be a signed number. For most of the USA this means that we end up subtracting (adding a negative.) Note that not all of the places in the world have such simple offsets; parts of Australia, for example have an offset of some number of hours and thirty minutes. And some areas have offsets that are even smaller intervals (I think they're all on five minute boundaries, now, though, if not quarter-hour!) The chart below I use when I'm yawning. Not that I'm too much good at arithmetic anyway, I've been spoiled by calculators and multi-zone watches. UCT 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 +1 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 +2 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 +3 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 +4 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 +5 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 +6 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 +7 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 +8 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 +9 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 +10 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 +11 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 +12 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 -11 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 -10 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 -9 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 PST 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 MST 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 PDT CST 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 MDT 12h 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 CST = = = = = = = = = AM = = = = = = = = 12h 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 CDT EST 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 CDT 12h 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 EST = = = = = = = AM = = = = = = = = = = 12h 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 EDT AST 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 EDT -3 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 ADT -2 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 -1 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 UCT 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 UCT 12h 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 = = = = = = = = = AM = = = = = = = = - - - - - - - - - PM - - - - - - - The bar inserted into the grid between my time zones (you can of course move it to yours, adjusting the numbers by circularly shifting them to fit your zone) has the 12-24, normal-summer, and local-UCT conversions done; enter the ottom of the grid with 1156 UCT, read up and find 6:56 AM CDT or 5:56 AM CST. Or enter the grid at 2000 CST, read down to find 8 PM CST, 9PM CDT, and 0200 UCT the following day. (I've inserted an additional bar for EST-EDT; note that EST=CDT. You'll want to delete the five lines between CST and EST.) Enter the bottom UCT bar, move to the right to 15xx, up to EDT, find 11xx, nd up again finding 11:xx AM EDT, or 10:xx EST. If you cross the 00 marking, you've changed days, forward or backward. Happy listening! -=- htom@spare.tdkt.org -=- Neither a lawyer nor a LEO and not on TV. -=- * Q-Blue 2.1 * --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Spare (1:282/62) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 140 SHORT WAVE Ref: EDF00002 Date: 09/09/97 From: WOUTER VAN MARLE Time: 11:29pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Baltic states radio programmes. Hello All! Does anybody know about shortwave broadcast by the Baltic states (Lithuania (LT), Latvia (LV) and Estonia (EE)) in German or English? I'd like to know frequencies and times of news bulletins or other programs in english or german on shortwave radio, directed to Western Europe (I live in The Netherlands). To have a small source of local news from those countries... of which I'm especially interested in Latvia. Thanks in advance! Wouter. (PGP & PGPServer available) --- * Origin: Look at this and turn into stone! Medusa +31-53-431-3082 (2:283/317)