--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3N00008 Date: 03/18/98 From: EDWARD SUKACH Time: 02:26pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: murals From: edsukach@juno.com (Edward Sukach) Subject: Re: murals > > This is one of the walls that I have a photo of. >JF> Oooh! Let's see let's see!!! > >Well, I don't have that ON the computer :) and if I did, and sent >it around, I'm not so sure that wouldn't be violating the artist's >copywrite, even if I'm not selling it, displaying without permission >is what got me on this echo in the first place :) Well... Aplly the test... How much money are you depriving the "creating" artist from by "publishing" the image? Graffiti would be an interesting proposition... A case could easily be made that, where it was done illegally in the first place, most likely without obtaining permission from the owner of the "carrier", it was AUTOMATICALLY placed in the "public domain", and as such, not protected by the copyright laws. I have never heard of a test case involving Graffiti. An other interesting exception is signage. Generally, signs are held to be within the "public domain", as that is their very function... to be viewed by the public and for the use, whatever that may be, of the public. Interesting... If one was to photograph an entire billboard, including the surrounding area, it would probably NOT be protected (hard to imagine who would want to use that image for another's advertising copy anyway); however, an individual image on that sign WOULD, most definitely be protected. What I try to do, when in doubt, is envision myself on a jury, hearing a civil case involving copyright. Certainly, an individual, starving artist who has been clearly "ripped off" by a large advertising firm would win, big time: The average amateur photographer who happened to have a Coca-Cola logo as an element of a landscape (or cityscape, to be accurate) *might* prevail.... small time... I *might*, if I was in a particularly bad mood, decide to give Coca-Cola a dime or so for their "damages". Not likely. Hmm... case in point might be Andy Warhol's paintings of Campbell's Soup cans. In theory, a copyright violation, but I don't remember anything about a copyright infringement suit. Campbell's (or whoever they are) were probably *very* happy for the free advertising. An interesting case was shown in the movie "The People vs. Larry Flint" (Incidentally, a *MUCH* better movie than I had expected it to be). Jerry Falwell had sued Larry Flint and Hustler Magazine for publishing an article very demeaning to Mr. Falwell's character, on the basis of Libel (and a few other things). Falwell was, in turn, counter sued by Larry Flint for Copyright Infringement... The article had been reproduced (without Flint's permission) and included in a money-raising "mailing" (presumably to raise money for the lawsuit against Flint). Good movie. Flint, "I am a `sleaze'. Everyone knows that. If the First Amendment of the Constitution protects a `sleaze' like me, think of the *glorious* protection it gives to the average person who is not a `sleaze'".... I would suggest the ultimate defense... more than a "defense", it is the only way to operate a business, or a life, for that matter, with any level of intelligence: Do things, ALWAYS, within the bounds of "Good Faith". Hard to "go wrong" when you do. Ed, H.B. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------- FidoNet PHOTO Conference<->InterNet EMail List To subscribe to the list, send an EMail message to: listserv@wnybbs.net With the words: SUBSCRIBE PHOTO To Unsubscribe: UNSUBSCRIBE PHOTO To post a message to the list, send E-Mail to: photo@wnybbs.net ------------------------------------------------------- --- * Origin: WNYBBS FidoNet<->InterNet E-Mail Gateway (1:2613/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3N00009 Date: 03/18/98 From: EDWARD SUKACH Time: 08:01am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: DIY / Karen Wattie From: edsukach@juno.com (Edward Sukach) Subject: Re: DIY / Karen Wattie > Hmm... A comparison: > > ES> Agfa APX 100 in Zonal Pro's Gamma Plus (1:20) chemistry: > > ES> 1. Mix Chemistry: 1 part Gamma Plus to 20 parts water. > ES> 1 part Zonal Pro's Rapid Fix to 6 parts water. > > ES> 2. Load Film into tank.... > ES> Other than temperature, not a great deal of difference between > the two, in my book. > >Alright Ed. You just talked me out of it!!! I did WHAT????? Not my intent, certainly... Put the film into the tank. Mix the stuff... pour it into the tank, slosh it around, pour it out, and pour the next stuff in... slosh that around, dump it and wash the film... To me, not very complicated or difficult, and I *certainly* did NOT intend to scare you off... but, that is what goes on. I was trying to make the point that there really isn't a great deal of increased effort or complexity in the development of C-41 color over black and white, using today's chemicals. Ed, H.B. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------- FidoNet PHOTO Conference<->InterNet EMail List To subscribe to the list, send an EMail message to: listserv@wnybbs.net With the words: SUBSCRIBE PHOTO To Unsubscribe: UNSUBSCRIBE PHOTO To post a message to the list, send E-Mail to: photo@wnybbs.net ------------------------------------------------------- --- * Origin: WNYBBS FidoNet<->InterNet E-Mail Gateway (1:2613/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3N00010 Date: 03/18/98 From: BOB DIAL Time: 09:57am \/To: KAREN WATTIE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Karen's trip? Hi Karen, BD> With pan or color film the handling is also dark so there's little BD> to `watch' but after development is past certain stages you can do BD> a bit of rubber-necking, and everything in the printing process is BD> easily observed. Get thee to a darkroom and immerse thy feet! KW> My feet? Wouldn't that really mess up the job? Hey, don't knock it.. Works pretty well with wine, eh what? ... It's hard to explore oceans without losing sight of land. * Q-Blue 2.3 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: A.L.T. BBS Shreveport, LA (318) 631-9734 (1:380/64.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3N00011 Date: 03/18/98 From: BOB DIAL Time: 10:02am \/To: KAREN WATTIE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Karen's trip to AZ Hi, Karen, BD> Picnic table? Doorstoop? Hmmm... I was **SURE** you'd say, BD> "my husband" (or something equally worthless)!! Hehhehhehheh KW> My husband is very valuable.. How else could I stay home KW> .. (let alone find time and money to take.. photographs) :) Granted, you have a point there! KW> Then I wouldn't worry about destroying them. Hmmmmm...that's KW> a plan :) BD> Plan???? That's a female's mission in life! KW> What is? Having a plan, or destroying things? Doing everything without a plan might be closer to it! ;^) BD> Not serious for a minute! Your spouse is probably a GREAT guy! KW> I have his picture here to send anyone who wants to see. Ummm... never got very far collecting pix of guys. Is he wearing a string bikini or something?????? hehhehheh ... There was a long silence. Then a much shorter silence. * Q-Blue 2.3 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: A.L.T. BBS Shreveport, LA (318) 631-9734 (1:380/64.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3N00012 Date: 03/18/98 From: BOB DIAL Time: 10:32am \/To: KAREN WATTIE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Karen's Darkroom? Didn't I just say `hello' to you, Karen? KW> .. Right now, I know of no one who has [ a darkroom] KW> .. If it is so facinating, why would they give it up? BD> Good question! There's.. as many reasons as..people KW> Hmmm....I like to learn something new about every 3 years.. Then take time to learn a bit about what's involved with this wonderful hobby, before you start to acquire all the gear. KW> Some simply do not have the free time any more. KW> Free time??? What's that???? Doing photography, including the darkroom chores, will take up some time. Are you willing to make room for it? BD> MOST give up their "darkroom" in name only, because it is BD> something they never really had! They only called it one. KW> So if I were to set it up in my laundry room, I wonder how much KW> rearranging I would need to do. Just what would I need and how KW> much room would it take up. [diagram deleted] KW> no door on this room, but that could be remedied. I hope this KW> little picture comes through all right. I've managed this sort KW> of thing before :) Very well done, Karen. There's plenty of room! Space is related to what we wish to do, in that what you suggest is fine for all but maybe big enlargements 16x20 and up (which takes considerable area for trays, washer, dryer (if you use one) and dry a mounting press, if kept in the darkroom. Just running film and making of 8x10 enlargements should be no great problem. KW> By the way, the laundry tubs are of the plastic variety. Would KW> that be okay? Surely would. All that's required would be washing up afterwards, just as we do pots and pans after cooking. Some care should be exercised to avoid stains or bleaching, but that's just common horse sense. KW> .. Wouldn't traces of chemicals in plastic tubs end up back KW> in the laundry? Not in sufficient quantity to be of concern, though I would not suggest drinking water from those tubs or washing my eyes in it. The washing cycles would pretty much be self cleansing without doing a lot of cleaning beforehand. There are exceptions, as some chemistry is rather abrasive, but attention to the warnings accompanying them will advise you if that's the case. The usual stuff isn't going to hurt you, with proper ventilation. Closed areas and photo chemicals are not a good idea. Plan to include some ventilation in the washroom, too. BD> .. I like a darkroom.. complete with running water etc.. KW> Right. If I had to plug in all the computer wires evertime KW> I came in here, I'd .. get a lot more work done elsewhere :) Exactly, not to mention the inclination we all hate "work" when we can play, instead!!! BD> Whenever the work required dwarfs BD> them, indefinitely. BD> ..To set up and develop film is one thing. Making large or BD> numerous prints is another. Many don't mind [film] setups BD> for developing [it can be done in very small rooms]. KW> I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that if I developed KW> the film, I would print only a contact sheet, and maybe just KW> a couple of prints from each film? Contact sheets would be a breeze, and you could make several prints of each negative if you wish. What I meant was volume, where several hundred prints a day are routine, or big prints which require a great deal more room. ... Confucius say "Man who sit on tack get point!" * Q-Blue 2.3 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: A.L.T. BBS Shreveport, LA (318) 631-9734 (1:380/64.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3N00013 Date: 03/18/98 From: BOB DIAL Time: 10:58am \/To: STU TURK (Read 1 times) Subj: Return to the ether: Bob ST> "Bob Hayes" wrote in a message to Russ: ST> > bought a 1950 book on motion picture sound reproduction.. ST> > noticed a bottle of Agfa flash powder there.. "H> DEFINITELY!!! For me! How much? ST> I had a friend who started out as a photographer's assistant ST> at the time flash power was standard. He told me of.. times they ST> took pictures in.. homes and then had to get out quick. If they ST> didn't then ended up washing or repainting the ceiling.. Lol! Sounds more like a three stooges stunt. Ceilings were high, in those days so they must have taken the "off camera flash" to extremes!! I think the photogs held the flash tray up high to be sure it didn't ignite their clothes. Love it!!! ... Ad: Part-time married girls to work in sandwich shop. * Q-Blue 2.3 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: A.L.T. BBS Shreveport, LA (318) 631-9734 (1:380/64.0)