--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00008 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 06:31pm \/To: BOB DIAL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Karen's trip? Hi Bob BD> With pan or color film the handling is also dark so there's little BD> to `watch' but after development is past certain stages you can do BD> a bit of rubber-necking, and everything in the printing process is BD> easily observed. Get thee to a darkroom and immerse thy feet! My feet? Wouldn't that really mess up the job? ... Line noise by Bell Cana!@@!%#% NO CARRIER ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00009 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 06:35pm \/To: BOB DIAL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Karen's trip to AZ Hi Bob BD> Picnic table? Doorstoop? Hmmm... I was **SURE** you'd say, BD> "my husband" (or something equally worthless)!! Hehhehhehheh My husband is very valuable to me. How else could I stay home and talk to the likes of you (let alone find time and money to take hundreds of useless photographs) :) KW> Then I wouldn't worry about destroying them. Hmmmmm...that's KW> a plan :) BD> Plan???? That's a female's mission in life! What is? Having a plan, or destroying things? BD> Not serious for a minute! Your spouse is probably a GREAT guy! BD> At least us guys think so, no matter what YOU say! ROTFLOL I have his picture here to send anyone who wants to see. Just need an e-mail address, and I can prove he can do great things :) Karen ... He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00010 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 07:59pm \/To: HAP NEWSOM (Read 2 times) Subj: my projects this summer HN> And a fine March morning to ya as well Karen! Well, it was today Hap, thanks :) KW>I saw this kind of thing in a magazine a few years ago. And I have KW>spent part of this year looking for a big frame so I can do something KW>along these lines too. HN> Oh bother! I was hoping no one had though of it yet! Oh well, I'll be HN> doing it anyway! There is nothing new under the sun, but we all add our own little touches to old ideas anyway :) KW>As I see it, my big ornate frame will be suspended so that the bottom of KW>it will be at about waist level. The people can walk behind it and KW>look through it almost as if it where a window. They can hang through it, KW>pose to one side, put their hands anywhere they please within the frame, KW>have props even. HN> I want 'em holding it, and interacting with it...I want to make them HN> create a bit of their own magic and make each photo individual. Me too. Same idea, done differently, would still produce different results. I see it as a three dimentional thing, since there is nothing to say that any particular part of the person has to be inside, or behind, the frame :) ... Chocography - Information describing the candy arrangement in box. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00011 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 08:04pm \/To: HAP NEWSOM (Read 2 times) Subj: Karen's trip to AZ Hi Hap KW>Ah, but why buy one when you have one. Or are you suggesting I trash it KW>before coming home? I mean otherwise I would be carring something extra KW>home. HN> Yep, leave it for the maid who cleans your room at the hotel...that's HN> what I do, they are small cheap and it is more effort to bring one HN> along than it is to buy one when you get there....I often will stop by HN> a thrift store wherever I go (like the last time in Arizona) and pick HN> up a pair of used boots to stomp the desert. I don't have any here at HN> home and don't want to carry lots of baggage, used boots at a thrift HN> store are really cheap and I just drop em off at the same store when I HN> leave...it's like renting them for the short time I need them. You are setting me on a different path. With all the ideas you are giving me, I'm likely to give up photography and go back to writing!!! Keep talking. I'm taking notes: How To Travel Without Luggage and Still Have Everything You Need. 1. Buy it cheap and leave it for the maid 2. Buy it at a local thrift shop and sell it back to them before you leave. 3........got any more??? :) HN> So true, but I go to my back yard a lot more often than I go to HN> Arizona Don't we all??? And yet, every time I go out there, something new appears :) Karen ... ///\oo/\\\ ... What aliens? ... ///\oo/\\\ ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00012 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 08:16pm \/To: "BOB HAYES" (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: DIY Hi DrBob "H> Larry shure do have a weigh with wurds! :) He put it so very well, "H> he should be writing a book. Now, knowing you're on your way to AZ I "H> hope you saved his letter to re read when you get back and that you "H> do something about it. Not headed out of here for a couple of months yet. Have too much to think about and accomplish before leaving. This is always my busiest time of year. ... Everyone learns something everyday. Only a few learn it the right way. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00013 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 08:46pm \/To: BOB DIAL (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Karen's Darkroom? Hi Bob KW> .. Right now, I know of no one who has one, but lots of KW> people who used to. If it is so facinating, why would KW> they give it up? BD> Good question! There may be as many reasons as there are BD> people. Here's a few: Some people change hobbys just about BD> as often as they change socks; their interest wanes. Hmmm....I like to learn something new about every 3 years, but I don't think I would want to sink money into equipment that I wouldn't want to use in less time than that. Some BD> simply do not have the free time any more. A new baby or BD> $need$ of overtime? There's usually a practical reason. Free time??? What's that???? BD> MOST give up their "darkroom" in name only, because it is BD> something they never really had! They only called it one. So if I were to set it up in my laundry room, I wonder how much rearranging I would need to do. Just what would I need and how much room would it take up. Here's what it looks like down there now: ___________________ l_____l_____l_____l ll l l__ _________ ___ l l__l l___l___l_l_l___O_l Along the top wall is (1eft to right) a tall cabinet, with shelves and doors; a small chrome table and my dryer. The window is on the end wall by the dryer. The O in the bottom right is the sump pump. The bottom wall has a filing cabinet in the left corner and double laundry tubs next to them and then a little cart on wheels with cupboard doors (it was meant for a microwave originally). The double lines at the far left near the entrance is a bookcase. There is presently no door on this room, but that could be remedied. I hope this little picture comes through all right. I've managed this sort of thing before :) By the way, the laundry tubs are of the plastic variety. Would that be okay? I use a suds saver on my washing machine, so I always draw the first load of wash water back into the machine to wash the second load. Wouldn't traces of chemicals in plastic tubs end up back in the laundry? BD> up to do processing--not cook or bathe. I like a darkroom BD> you "turn on" with the light switch, complete with running BD> water etc.. People with this kind of darkroom usually keep BD> them, indefinitely. Right. If I had to plug in all the computer wires evertime I came in here, I'd probably get a lot more work done elsewhere :) BD> Whenever the work required dwarfs the pleasure obtained, a BD> hobby of any sort is destined to be short lived. To set up BD> and develop film is one thing. Making large or numerous BD> prints is another. Many don't mind setups for developing, BD> as there isn't physically much involved to do it. Start BD> there, and see if it perks interest in doing more. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that if I developed the film, I would print only a contact sheet, and maybe just a couple of prints from each film? ... The end of one day is the beginning of another ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00014 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 08:52pm \/To: JANIS FOLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re:murals Hi Janis JF> No it's that you said "but now I see the odd mural popping up in JF> various other towns". I was just wondering what made it odd... Is there that much of a difference in language from Canada to California? ;) Odd, in this sense means, of a number, not a multiple (a good usage, according to Websters) :) I simply meant one, here and there. > This is one of the walls that I have a photo of. JF> Oooh! Let's see let's see!!! Well, I don't have that ON the computer :) and if I did, and sent it around, I'm not so sure that wouldn't be violating the artist's copywrite, even if I'm not selling it, displaying without permission is what got me on this echo in the first place :) Karen ... Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00015 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 08:56pm \/To: JANIS FOLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: web sites Hi Janis > > I'm just in the process of creating my own web site but I'm doing > it from a template. Maybe by the time I have pictures other than > the ice storm snaps digitalized, I will have learned how to include > them on my page. Always something new to learn :) JF> I know... but it's so much fun! Yes. It is a great way to stimulate your mind....thinking in html. I found a primer on the web :) JF> Yeah! I like that idea... I just have to get Sean to teach me how to JF> get the newly constructed web site "up there" out on the web for all JF> to see! I don't know how to "launch" the thing! hee hee! Huh? You already have a web page, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. JF> Hee hee! How nice! England huh? That's so cool that people from all JF> over the world can see each other's pictures so easily! I just love JF> this stuff! One more subject for me to write about :) I came here for photographic tips and I keep getting writing ideas instead :) Karen ... I can resist everything except temptation. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00016 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 09:00pm \/To: EDWARD SUKACH (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: DIY / L. Bolch Hmm... A comparison: ES> Agfa APX 100 in Zonal Pro's Gamma Plus (1:20) chemistry: ES> 1. Mix Chemistry: 1 part Gamma Plus to 20 parts water. ES> 1 part Zonal Pro's Rapid Fix to 6 parts water. ES> 2. Load Film into tank. ES> 3 Pour developer into tank. Agitate for 11 minutes @ 20 deg. C ES> 4. Pour Developer out of tank. ES> 5. Pour Fixer into tank. Agitate for 3 minutes. ES> 6. Pour fixer out of tank. ES> 7. Wash ... Eight changes of water for 30 seconds each. ES> 8. Remove film, squeegee, and hang to dry. ES> Now, for C-41 Color (usually Agfa Optima 100) in Photocolor FP ES> Developer: ES> 1. Mix chemicals 65 ml Part "A'; 130 ml Water; 8 ml Part "B" for ES> Developer ES> 100 ml Bleach-Fix; 200 ml Water for Bleach -Fix. ES> 2. Load Film into tank ES> 3. Pour Developer into tank. Agitate for 3 minutes, 15 seconds @ 38 ES> deg. C. ES> 4. Pour Developer out of tank. ES> 5. Pour Bleach-Fix into tank. Agitate for 6 minutes. ES> ES> 6. Pour Bleach-Fix out of tank. ES> 7. Wash: Eight changes of water for 30 seconds each. ES> 8. Remove film from tank, squeegee, and hang to dry. ES> Other than temperature, not a great deal of difference between the ES> two, in my book. Alright Ed. You just talked me out of it!!! :> ... *Be careful what You wish for, cause it may come true !* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 137 PHOTOGRAPHY Ref: F3M00017 Date: 03/16/98 From: KAREN WATTIE Time: 09:03pm \/To: JONATHAN FEIST (Read 2 times) Subj: Intuition and Spiders (t -=> Jonathan Feist said to Ed on 03-15-98 09:18: JF> From: jonfeist@javanet.com (Jonathan Feist) JF> Subject: Intuition and Spiders (to Ed Sukach) JF> Excuse me while I touch the back of my hand to my forehead and try to JF> look tortured. 'Scuse me while I get my camera. I want a picture of that! ... I don't suffer from insanity... I enjoy every minute of it. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Northern Lights - (613) 269-2281 (1:163/344)