--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00000Date: 01/20/98 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 12:28pm \/To: LAWRENCE LUCIER (Read 0 times) Subj: Point -=> Quoting Lawrence Lucier to Jim Venedam <=- LL> Jim Venedam @ 1:374/46.5 wrote on 01-15-98 08:41 about *Point* JV> Early on, I found out that there is a problem posting really big JV> notes. PPoint was truncating them after about 300 lines rather JV> than forming multiple posts. LL> I had a point using PPoint for a while that was also experiencing some LL> troubles with it. You might be better to just go and use regular BBS LL> front end software, such as FrontDoor, Binkley etc and a mail tossing LL> program such as Squish. Something better than having to get front-end software (FD, Binkley, AND a mail tosser AND a nodelist) is going with FDAPX (It requires NO nodelist nor a Mail-tosser. It has its own mail-tosser, and you can use a nodelist only if you want to take up 3 megs of drive space for a nodelist FDAPX is Windoze based and there's a backbone echo for support. JV> For a while, I was reading the Newsgroups that my BOSS was JV> carrying. The NGs are not pointable, so I had to use BlueWave. LL> Hmmm.......actually they can be but I guess it depends on the BBS LL> sysop and the software they are using. Running Binkley and Squish LL> here I have no troubles sending NG's to points. JV> I also use BlueWave for E-Mail, since I can't use it thru my JV> point. LL> Again you should be able to as email is just an extension of LL> netmail.........if your sysop allows you netmail point priviledges LL> then to the best of my knowledge there shouldn't be any reason why LL> you can't receive gated UUCP type email. JV> I'm glad you didn't ask about the plusses. I might end up testing JV> that 300 line limit again. LL> Not trying to set on your toes here Jim, but IMHO you'd be further LL> ahead to try out some of the more standard BBS'ing type LL> software........Frontdoor v2.02, Squish v1.11 (both freeware) and a LL> squish based mail reader such as TimEd, GoldEd, MsgEd (I think this LL> last one is freeware and available for DOS based system but am not LL> sure off-hand) or SqEd/32 (OS/2 program) etc would do you just right. LL> :-) Too much drive space consumed (IMO) when there is programming such as FDAPX available that do it all. It's shareware, but only a 30-second delay and a prompt come up after the evaluation has expired. Nancy Nancy nanwood@juno.com ... Ever get the feeling your guardian angel is laughing? --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue 210.533.5668 San Antonio,TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00001Date: 01/18/98 From: VICTOR NG Time: 09:57pm \/To: JOHN CARLSON (Read 0 times) Subj: New to the Internet JC> I am new to the internet, and would like to know the names of any JC> good books that are worth buying that will help me understand how JC> everything works.. I am also wondering about telnet, what it is, what JC> it does, and how to use it. thanks The "... for Dummies" are a good series of books for beginners. Therefore you should take a look at Internet for Dummies 4th Edition. It is presented with humour. :) All your questions should be covered in this book. ... "Don't mince words, John ... what do you *REALLY* think?" --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00002Date: 01/19/98 From: PATRICK RACHELS Time: 08:54pm \/To: PRACKELS@TINCAN.TINCAN.ORG (Read 0 times) Subj: Does this work?? Testing testing, does this work, well probably not, oh well, Patrick Rachels --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! [TESTDRIVE] v2.0TD * Origin: AT LAST BBS! (1:346/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00003Date: 01/19/98 From: BRUCE LEGRANDE Time: 11:29pm \/To: FRED REICH (Read 0 times) Subj: Busy Phone Line? following up a message from Franco Rios to Fred Reich: FR> What is "ISP"? FR> FR> Internet Service Provider FR> FR> One problem with the internet is that I would be tying up my phone FR> line for long periods of time, and I can't do that since I have a part FR> time business at home. A 'SOHO' huh ?! Sounds simple, but what about a second line dedicated to your business ?! It would take the weight off of the residence line, and SHOULD be a tax writeoff as well. I've found that having an ISDN line put in (one BRI) has not only provided a high speed ISP access line (128k), but the voice quality is -VERY- good and puts forth a bit more pro- fessional sound on first contacts with clients and suppliers. Plus, the ISDN BRI gives you TWO seperate access numbers. (one for voice, one for data/FAX ?) My ISDN line costs me about $27/mo base rate, and there is an additional $.06 for the first minute and $.04 each after during prime hours, and $.03 first / $.01 off prime, for every call I make from here. I get 200 mins/mo FREE on wknds and holidays. So... I usually dialup my ISP at midnight on Friday and leave it online until midnight Sunday. (= 196 hours/mo) (prices may vary with your local hardline carrier) BTW: Depending on what yo are trying to DO on the internet, there are several ways to automate your activities to be launched automatically at non prime (business) times. This might be another solution to your problem. What exactly are you doing online when this conflicting time occurs ? Sincerely, Bruce - ck@saber.net - http://www.qsl.net/kb6lwn --- WtrGate v0.93 Unreg * Origin: GreenTree Ground Station * 707-987-ISDN (1:2003/0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00004Date: 01/20/98 From: MICHAEL.BRUNNER@IIC.WIFI.AT Time: 06:25am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: 2nd Web Symposium - Die TELE-Lerngesells06:25:3501/20/98 From: michael.brunner@iic.wifi.at (Mike) Newsgroups: at.fido.lehrer,at.mail.www-announce,at.region.graz,at.veranstaltung,schule.int ernet.einsatz,schule.internet.technik,trends.fido.internet Subject: 2nd Web Symposium - Die TELE-Lerngesellschaft im 21. Jahrhundert Organization: Graz University of Technology, Austria ftn.hub.org!news.trends.ca!hub.org!news.edu.sollentuna.se!Cabal.CESspool!bofh. vszbr.cz!newscore.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!fstgal00.tu-graz.ac.at !not-for-mail 2nd Web Symposium Die TELE-Lerngesellschaft im 21. Jahrhundert am Donnerstag, 5.2.1998, 10 - 18 Uhr WIFI Schlo Hartberg in Hartberg, Steiermark Programm, siehe: http://www.iic.wifi.at einige Hoehepunkte sind: * Top-Symposium mit Multimedia-Kurzbeitraegen (aus New York (ILINC), aus Japan (SONY), virtuelle Vorlesung von Prof. Maurer, etc.) * Online Chat mit Frau Landeshauptmann Waltraud Klasnic * 2nd Web Party (19 Uhr - open end) mit LIVE-Band: TAKE 4 Teilnahmegebuehr: KOSTENLOS, max. 300 Anmeldungen Eine Anmeldung ist UNBEDINGT erforderlich, Anmeldung per email an: peter.strauss@iic.wifi.at Zwischen Graz und Hartberg gibt es auch einen kostenlosen Bustransfer. Ich freue mich auf Ihr Kommen! --- * Origin: Graz University of Technology, Austria (1:2424/12.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00005Date: 01/20/98 From: BRUCE CLARK Time: 01:07am \/To: MICHAEL HOLT (Read 0 times) Subj: Juno? -=> Quoting Michael Holt to Fred Reich <=- MH> The problem I'd found was that when using the address book, the MH> software would use the 'alias' as the e-mail address if there was MH> anything in the 'alias' field. This, of course, limites the value of MH> the 'alias' field; I think it should have been called a 'notes' field. It's called an "alias" because you can put a short one in there. Then when you send e-mail you enter the short "alias". When the e-mail is sent the real address is placed in the "To:" field. If you don't want to use aliases or want to see the full long address in the To: field, then leave the "alias" blank and call up the address book to get the address each time. I'd rather type in a short name of an alias, if I send a lot of mail to that address. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: COM-DAT BBS (1:105/314.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00006Date: 01/20/98 From: TOM SILVA Time: 02:31am \/To: WES LEATHEROCK (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: dos based isp, program JM> Search for that treasure: JM> N109-386.ZIP JM> Net-Tamer is a DOS PPP dial up access program JM> which requires no TSR packet driver. Supports JM> NNTP (Usenet), FTP, POP3 & SMTP (EMAIL), HTTP whrer can this be found? (where) and is it freeware shareware vapor ware? Can one get it on the WWW where? also does any one know about F-NOS? are the two simular? /tom/ --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Allen's Space Shuttle - Johnson City, NY (1:260/433) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00007Date: 01/20/98 From: ED KISH Time: 03:01am \/To: VLADIMIR DOMJAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: hotmail.com -=> Quoting Vladimir Domjan to Ed Kish <=- VD> Alo Ed , EK> Anybody know what has happened to "www.hotmail.com" since microsoft took EK> over it? I've attempted to access my mail account there w/o any luck. EK> Keeps coming back w/the standard no DNS entry. VD> I don't know where the problem is. But for me it works very VD> good... VD> When does this DNS error come up. on your login or just when u VD> try to get to Hotmail ? To all who replied. I have found out that according to my ISP who uses the phone co. SPRINT; that the problem is within the phone system. I was always under the impression that the internet could still operate under a nuclear attack, therefore the routers would connect to what ever means were still available. Seems that if one phone co. goes out, the service is not provided either. ... God made pot. Man made beer. Who do you trust? --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Bill's Bandwagon West Volusia's First V.34 28.8 (1:3618/16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00008Date: 01/19/98 From: LAWRENCE LUCIER Time: 09:52pm \/To: JIM VENEDAM (Read 0 times) Subj: Point Jim Venedam @ 1:374/46.5 wrote on 01-18-98 08:50 about *Point* AR>> So you say that you do NOT have netmail access, then? I guess AR>> I'm using the terms email and netmail to mean the same. JV> I can't send mail to anyone with a "someplace.com" type address JV> thru MY point. You should be able to if you put UUCP in the To: field and the email address as the *first* line in the message body (using this method it's really no different than addressing netmail messages). The format for typing in the email address in the message body is: To: joeblow@finklestein.com Now press the Enter key *twice* so that there is an empty line between the email address and where you start typing in the rest of your message. Notice that the "To:" part must be hard against the left hand margin and also there must be a space between it and the email address. JV> Someone else recently said he could. The problem may be related JV> to the interface between PPoint and my BOSSs software. She uses JV> Searchlight and Valence as a mail door. There are some JV> compatibility problems there. She will be able to send via a UUCP gateway as long as she has a valid netmail area and a valid connection to a UUCP gateway or will forward your Fidonet gated email to a valid UUCP gateway. JV> of users who do not have access to Netmail tho. I used to send JV> Internet E-Mail through a gateway via netmail, but I don't know JV> where any gateways are now. If your sysop doesn't have direct access to a UUCP gateway, then get her to either check the nodelist for systems flying the UUCP flag or get her to send you a copy of the nodelist to check for yourself. JV> The BBS/BlueWave method is best, and I have JUNO. Check out the names function for bluewave.......it will allow you to alias the UUCP gateway address so you don't have to enter it each time you reply to an email message. --- Sqed/32 1.14/r15155 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS - (250) 748-3408 v32b v42b XA CM (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: F1Q00009Date: 01/19/98 From: LAWRENCE LUCIER Time: 11:08pm \/To: JONATHAN MICHAELS (Read 0 times) Subj: 2b *&%^$@$&##& ???? Jonathan Michaels @ 3:712/808 wrote on 01-17-98 13:59 about *2b *&%^$@$&##& ????* JM> i hope you and your kind live long enoough to find out what it is JM> like to have this kind of a life. Howdy Jonathan (smile)........not trying to tread on your toes here but all people have problems of one kind or another.......true some more serious than others. Myself, I've had arthritus for a number of years now besides other medical problems developing as I got older (47 years old now) and I know that I'm one of the lucky ones as there are others who would give their right arm in trade to only have my aches and pains to contend with instead of the ones they are currently inflicted with. One of the nice things about Fidonet, in my honest opinion, is that for the most part people try and help one another in whatever way they can but sometimes, mainly due to the medium involved, a persons intentions get misinterpreted as being flakey or antagonistic in nature. Maybe this is the case here? JM>> anyway .. that is one of the real reasons why fidonet forbids JM>> the use of hi ascii in echomail and netmail ... LB>> Fidonet does not forbid the use of "hi ascii" in echomail or in LB>> netmail. JM> when i get to a complete set of ftsc archives i will quote JM> chapter and verse at you .. ftsc does explicitly prohibit the use JM> of characters outside the range as is traditionally know as the JM> basic ibm printable character character set. because this was the JM> standard for all printing terminals be they 'vdu' screens or the JM> more ubiquitious printing keyboards of the day .. we are talking JM> about the 1970s here, if, if that is, you can rememnber back that JM> far. While this once was true at one time, Fidonet Policy 4 (at least the copy I have and I am not aware of any update to this version) dosn't mention anything at all about the non-use of certain characters in Fidonet. Present protocols on character acceptance in the various echos seems to have been left up to the discression of each area moderator(s).........some will allow them, some won't. JM> youin particular is quite simple .. which ftsc document recinds JM> the earlier one that issued toe edict concerning the "high ascii' JM> character's and how pray tell will they get around the issues JM> involved in the inevitable non ibm architecture specific JM> platforms that use these selfsame characters as operating system JM> meta characters ... put another way, since when did fidonet JM> become the sole provedance of the the ibm 8080 based hardware - JM> architecture and microsoft disk operating system, platform ? It hasn't ever been and is still not........but, software development has come a long way since the 1970's; this fact has to be taken into consideration Jonathan. Just as computer software and hardware has evolved over the years, so to, in certain areas, has Fidonet. Part of this progression in software, particulary in respect to software used by disabled people, is the modification of older code so that it doesn't barf on some of the more "weird" characters..........are there serious reports concerning newer software still acting up or is it perhaps a case of using out-dated software that's causing the problems? JM> i've assisted severapo programmer in the production of software JM> that helps people with the range of disabilities that i have Are you saying that software problems in this area can't be overcome then? I was under the impression that any ascii character limitation had been overcome but maybe I have been mis-informed in this area. JM> to become better able to use the limited hardware, software and JM> that rubbish microsoft calls its operating systems packages and JM> its os shell as well. Hmmm........well there are other operating system platforms available Jonathan, ones like linux are free, come with source code and are available for multiple hardware platforms. JM> i am aware of the the state of play, which is far more than i JM> can say for your somewhat meager level of awarenes of this basic JM> of subgects ... how disabled people use computers. Question for you..........if someone approached you and complained that they couldn't access the internet along with all of it's fancy graphics, frames, audio etc because they were running an 8088, Vic 20, Apple 2 plus or some other older peice of computer equipment, how would you respond? JM> take some time to read what i've written, don't knee jerk as you JM> most probably will, take some time and comprehend .. As I mentioned before, Jonathan, I'm certainly not trying to tread on anyones toes here, but not affecting a "knee jerk" reaction is pretty much a two way street, right. (smile) JM> you just might learn someting about yourself and how others JM> percieve your own disability. One of which is realizing that not everyone is a linguistic and/or writing expert.......again this is a two way street issue here Jonathan. Stereotyping people, especially in this medium, can be a big hinderance in the process of meaningful conversation or problem solving. And you can be pretty well assured that if one corespondant presents an attitude, then messages full of other "attitudes" are shortly forthcoming. In the end, there indeed may be justification for displaying such an attitude towards certain individuals (and I am sure you, like me have run across some of these "individuals" one time or another) but an opinion can't really be formed before clarification of debated issues have been initiated on a reasonable level by the parties involved. Anyways just my two cents worth.........take care guy and will ttyl. :-) --- Sqed/32 1.14/r15155 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS - (250) 748-3408 v32b v42b XA CM (1:340/204)