--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00001Date: 06/23/98 From: JACK STEIN Time: 08:43am \/To: BEN GRANVILLE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: NEW! Ben Granville wrote in a message to Jack Stein: BG> On Sun 14-Jun-1998 8:46p, Jack Stein said to Keith Douglas: JS> Keith Douglas wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> JS> Not at all. He could always use DOS, write a stupid SHELL JS> JS> for it, and CALL it an OS!!! JS> KD> Even that will prove rather difficult for a begining JS> KD> programmer. JS> I did mention that I have a 4DOS shell batch file here, written by Mark JS> Stieble, a non-programer, far as I know, although he can write one hell f JS> a batch file. It's not exactly powerful or worth much, but it is a hell, JS> and like WIN, lameness and shellness would not stop 100 billion lame WIN JS> users from calling it an OS, at least it never stopped them before:-) BG> Wow, NT runs on DOS? Back to school Mr. Stein. WOW, learn how to read partner. No where did I say NT, I said WIN. You either can't read, don't know that WIN and NT are different products, or simply resort to lying about what is being said because you can't manage to argue about what actually was said. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00002Date: 06/14/98 From: HOWARD BRAZEE Time: 07:23am \/To: TODD JOHNSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Os/2 Vs Linux Vs Nt/95 In a message dated 06-12-98, Todd Johnson said to All: TJ>Secondly, Microsoft makes people feel warm and fuzzy inside. If they are TJ>buying a computer with an Intel chip, and getting Windows TJ>95, they feel like they are making a "safe" choice... TJ>eveyrone else is using it, and its proven as being capable TJ>in the very least. Which is why we are talking about operating systems on the PC instead of on the Amiga! Howard Brazee, Lakewood CO - brazee@compuserve.com ___ * MR/2 * Don't let school interfere with your education. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: TeamOS/2-Denver * ISDN, x2, V90 * Denver (303)337-8701 (1:104/720) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00003Date: 06/21/98 From: TODD JOHNSON Time: 01:23pm \/To: ALLAN ANDERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: OS/2 vs Linux vs NT/95 Yeah... NT is very stable, and pretty nice... When playing with it, I found it to be slower than Win95 somewhat, but smoother -- like when you're doing alot of tasks, its faster, but in terms of running ONE thing, its a bit slower... Anyway, if IBM cared about OS/2, which they dont anymore... I think they would add WIN32 support... that would gain alot of users, but they dont want to go after the regular Joes... if they sold it off to another company, OS/2 could have a rebirth... it has some things Linux doesnt have, like good DOS execution, and WIn16-Win32s application support (not emulated), and a great interface, along with better hardware support than Linux, usually... OH well..! --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00004Date: 06/21/98 From: TODD JOHNSON Time: 01:27pm \/To: HOWARD BRAZEE (Read 1 times) Subj: Os/2 Vs Linux Vs Nt/95 HB> Which is why we are talking about operating systems on HB> the PC instead of on HB> the Amiga! Yes, that is true, however, if you use anything else besides WIndows 95, you mine as well be using an Amiga in opeople's eyes.. they have some respect for you if you run Linux, because its gaining popularity quickly, but OS/2 is on a sharp decline -- and IBM isn't doing anything about it... Could OS?2 be another CP/M?? :) --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00005Date: 06/21/98 From: TODD JOHNSON Time: 01:31pm \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 1 times) Subj: Linux / Unix TJ> and fast it is! BW> Fast if you fiddle with all of those text configuration files. One BW> has reported that this had taken them 6 months to do. For some people it is a hassle to set up -- and yes, generally, Linux is a hassle.. however, if you get RedHat Linux, which does cost you money, its all setup nice and pretty with most of the work done for you -- and if it takes you six months to set THAT up, much less any more than six hours, you're one of a few. And out of the box, Linux absolutley destroys Win95 in speed. That one is not really debatable. BW> A lot of software recommends a Pentium or better. Yes, in general, you want a Pentium .. FOR ANYTHING... however, if you have a 486Dx/100, with a SCSI hard drive, and 64MB of RAM, it will run AWESOMELY fast... basically what I'm saying is that processor power is less of a factor, but disk and memory IS... BW> Funny, I used OS/2 for W31 and DOS programs, but W95 did a far BW> better job for me. It all depends on what you use. Just becase Win95 runs glorious for you, doesn't mean anything. And just because OS/2 is bulletproof for me, doesnt mean anything, either. All I hear is how people complain with a smile, about how thir computer crashes several times a day, when they run Win95... you may claim that it only happens to FEW people, but I'm sorry, it happens to ALOT of people running Win95... and interms of DOS/Win31 stuff, OS/2 runs some DOS stuff than WIn95 cannot, and vice versa.. Win95 is much better at NEW DOS games, but as far as older ones, I find OS/2 to run them better. It all depends... BW> works for me. It also seems to me that is exactly what other W95 BW> users are using their computers for too. Wow, imagine that. THat's what I do too.. I boot to one OS and get all my work done... do you think -- DO YOU REALLY THINK that all OS/2 users secretly boot to a Win95 partition 10 times a day??? --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00006Date: 06/21/98 From: TODD JOHNSON Time: 01:43pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 1 times) Subj: OS/2 vs Linux vs NT/95 Well, once people started using DOS/Windows, it only made sense to move to Win95, or to stay with WIn31... why hassle with OS/2 or Linux? Too many questions and qierd feelings associated with alternative platforms... onlythe CURIOUS will possibly switch.. NOW more than ever, people are curious about non-MS options, and now more than ever, Linux is on the rise... but this curiosity will pass, its just a phase, as the result of MS making the press about being a bully, etc.. some real initiative must be done in order to really shake things up... --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00007Date: 06/20/98 From: DARRELL SALTER Time: 05:54am \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 1 times) Subj: OS/2 Dead debate Bill Wolff wrote in a message to Jack Stein: BW> I guess IBM isn't smart enough to figure out that millions are BW> actually using Windows without problems. If you use Windows, you have problems. BW> As in my case, every BW> customer I've set up with Windows don't have problems. I even call BW> them every few months if I don't hear from them just to make sure. As in my case, I remember you from a few years ago, and you're still a pathological liar. I own my own company and my business is selling computers and doing custom hardware and software installation and setup. I work with Windows and it's problems daily. When are you going to learn that you just can't bullshit people and expect them all to believe the lies? Take a look around, read the press. The gig is up, and even some of the most ardent MS fans, are beginning to realize that MS has been lying and BSing people for years. MS's true nature has finally been exposed and it's ugly. Your bullshit wasn't accepted before, and it certainly won't be accepted now. Give it up, Bill. Cheers, Darrell darrell@sprk.com --- * Origin: DISsattiSFIED in Net229... (1:229/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00008Date: 06/20/98 From: BEN GRANVILLE Time: 03:23pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: DBAT Babble April Part 1 of 1 On Sun 14-Jun-1998 10:25a, Jack Stein said to Ben Granville: JS> Same goes with you calling me dumb because I don't consider LINUX a JS> commercial product. You don't know what your talking about, nor seem to JS> care much if what you say is even close to accurate. LINUX is freeware, JS> and not permited to be sold by anyone, anywhere. Bzzzt, wrong. Please check before you waste precious bandwidth. There are several (ie Caldera, RedHat) commercial Linux ports on many different architectures. Just because it says Linux, doesn't mean it's free... And, I don't think I ever said you where dumb (you said I was), just very mis-informed. --- CNet/3 * Origin: Powered by Motorola - Ill Communication (1:102/334) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00009Date: 06/20/98 From: BEN GRANVILLE Time: 03:30pm \/To: SIMON STONE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Cadare's OPENDOS On Sun 14-Jun-1998 1:57p, Simon Stone said to Ben Granville: SS> Whats-up Ben! SS> 13 Jun 98 11:49, Ben Granville wrote to Simon Stone: SS> SS>> Anyone got any opions on this ??? SS> SS>> I've tried it out and it's very similar to DOS sept it's got a SS> SS>> crap version of EDIT :) SS> BG> I read before that this was free. Could someone let me know if so, SS> BG> and what the url is? (and what minimum hw requirements it has... I SS> BG> have an old PS/1 that I'd love to get on my network, and lanman just SS> BG> ain't cutting it...) SS> Erm I would give you a url for it but I can't even do that I my server's SS> M/Board just died.... Ok, I found it. For anyone that needs it, it is http://www.caldera.com/dos/index.html. But, it is only free for non-commercial use, and doesn't have a built in IP stack (what I wanted it for in the first place...). --- CNet/3 * Origin: Powered by Motorola - Ill Communication (1:102/334) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAV00010Date: 06/20/98 From: BEN GRANVILLE Time: 03:32pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: NEW! On Sun 14-Jun-1998 8:46p, Jack Stein said to Keith Douglas: JS> Keith Douglas wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> JS> Not at all. He could always use DOS, write a stupid SHELL JS> JS> for it, and CALL it an OS!!! JS> KD> Even that will prove rather difficult for a begining JS> KD> programmer. JS> I did mention that I have a 4DOS shell batch file here, written by Mark JS> Stieble, a non-programer, far as I know, although he can write one hell f JS> a batch file. It's not exactly powerful or worth much, but it is a hell, JS> and like WIN, lameness and shellness would not stop 100 billion lame WIN JS> users from calling it an OS, at least it never stopped them before:-) Wow, NT runs on DOS? Back to school Mr. Stein. --- CNet/3 * Origin: Powered by Motorola - Ill Communication (1:102/334)