--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00070Date: 06/03/98 From: DAN DEYETTE Time: 02:00pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: NEW! Would it be a good idea at this point in time to write an opperating system? I thought about it and ive decided to learn C++. Anyone have anything they'd like to say? D.a.N. ... SLMR 2.1a All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? --- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.b18/mL * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Vancouver, B.C. Canada (1:153/757) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00071Date: 06/01/98 From: DIRK CAP Time: 10:32am \/To: DENIS TONN (Read 0 times) Subj: Linux Hoy Denis, On (24 May 98) Denis Tonn wrote to Ben Granville... DT> And you don't have your "facts" right either. There is still OS/2 DT> code (OS/2 1.x code) in NT. So it is..... Maybe some parts of the kernelcode or inside some dll's there is OS/2 code. Also, it can be loaded as a subsystem to run OS/2 2.x textmode programs inside a (DOS) OS/2 box. I haven't tested it yet, but it seems to work. Dirk ... The system on the Enterprise seems fast, isn't it..... --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: Cap Dirk from Belgium (2:292/865.19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00072Date: 06/05/98 From: CAMERON HALL Time: 01:37am \/To: DAN DEYETTE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: NEW! -=> Quoting Dan Deyette to All on 3 Jun 98 02:00pm <=- -=> Subj: Re: NEW! <=- DD> Would it be a good idea at this point in time to write an opperating DD> system? I thought about it and ive decided to learn C++. Anyone have DD> anything they'd like to say? Are you a sucker for punishment or what? Oh... And are you making a browser an integral part of the OS? Seriously, I'm not sure I'd "learn" a new language and at the same time try to program an OS. But than, that's just me. :) Cameron Hall cameron.hall@bluebeam.gryn.org | ad121@hwcn.org Blue Beam MailServer | 905 662 5784 | Stoney Creek ON Canada | v34 FAX --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Blue Beam MailServer, Stoney Creek, Canada (1:2424/3120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00073Date: 06/05/98 From: MATT BEDYNEK Time: 05:44pm \/To: TORSTEN BALLE KOEFOED (Read 0 times) Subj: OS/2 vs Net Attacks? Thu Jun 04 1998 16:33, Torsten Balle Koefoed wrote to Abram Hindle: AH> SynDrop TBK> I haven't heard about anything being able to kill OS/2 via TCP/IP, TBK> even with no fixes applied to it. Some people believe that it's TBK> caused by the rock-solid design of OS/2's TCP/IP stack, while TBK> others think it's because of OS/2's little market share (this is TBK> also why there's no OS/2 vira). Personally, I find it notable that TBK> most of the nukers work "cross-platform" but still not on OS/2. Well, ssping was never designed to work on other os's but windows yet it does, but not os/2. I think its b/c ibm is more careful in the programming of os/2 and no matter want any ms advocate says. ie. 'no one uses it', ect thats bs. Why would and attack mainly designed for windows work on so many other os's but not os/2? AH> NesTea TBK> Pouring this into your machine might kill anything, but I guess TBK> that's a hardware-related problem. ;-) what's it do, this is one i have not yet seen. i would put my odds on os/2 being more stable against it than windows if it came to testing. AH> Cause I know NT is is partially and all the open source unix's AH> get fixed within in hours of the problem but what would you AH> do on OS/2? TBK> There are frequently released fixpacks for OS/2's TCP/IP stack. whats funny is i never had to apply one to keep my system from being screwed with. goto ms's ftp site and see how many fixes you need to keep your system from being crashed. TBK> It's possible that OS/2 /could/ get nuked via TCP/IP, but I don't TBK> believe anyone would waste their time trying to, as it wouldn't TBK> attract any worthwhile publicity. wrong,.. with all the windows users out there who dislike os/2 and would get a kick out of seeing it go down. Later, Matt (mbedynek@hotmail.com) --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: The PostOffice - (409) 531-0067 - WHARTON, TX USA @ (1:106/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00074Date: 06/03/98 From: JACK STEIN Time: 08:52pm \/To: HOWARD BRAZEE (Read 0 times) Subj: Popular=Bad? Howard Brazee wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS>The fact that the worlds WORST OS's are dominant says a lot JS>more about marketing and user stupidity than about JS>strengths of an OS. Currently, and for as long as MS, IBM JS>and INTEL have been selling their crap to the public, JS>user's have mostly been getting screwed. HB> Of course, I can say the same thing about "bad" anything, No, you can't. BAD baseball teams don't come in first. HB> and lament why "the people" support bad restaurants, bad HB> movies, bad art, etc. People generally don't, unless the hype is strong. Bad restaurants don't last either, unless they are in a tourist area with no repeat customers, and no competition. HB> After all, if "the people" just had the opportunity, they HB> would naturally pick OS/2 as I do, Right. HB> and my favorite restaurants would stay in business, my favorite HB> movies would make more than the trash... Your "favorite" has little to do with it. If the resturant sells food that makes people sick, or is bad tasting, they will not go there UNLESS there is no choice. MS sells sick OS's, the worst in the business. People use it because there is little to no choice. IBM does nothing, and NEVER did anything to promote OS/2 to the general public, so the big three, IBM, MS and INTEL are in this hype game together, all three are making a killing from this crap and they ain't about to change it. The public keeps losing in this hype jungle. HB> Those poor, misguided people with different taste from me HB> need to be converted for their own good. Agin, TASTE has nothing at all to do with it. There is not one peice of software ever written that could not be written for OS/2 or Unix, or any other OS. Particularly with OS/2, one would be hard pressed to tell what OS they were running, other than thing work correctly, consistantly (mostly), effieciently (compared to WIN) and safely. The OS is the underpinings of what the users "tastes" require, and there is ZERO taste in the PC field that could not be met by OS/2 with ease. OS/2 is a home user, PC OS that is superior to MS products in ALL areas, and it is in the same price range, same market. Taste has nothing whatsoever to do with MS's total domiance of the PC market. If you want part of the reason for this, you have to either have an IQ of slightly more than a rock, or read the charges the DOJ brought against MS in 1994 that explains it rather well. The results of the charges and the reversal of the judges findings show clearly how corrupt our government is, and bring into focus how a huge market can be bought through corruption instead of earned through excellence. The only winners in this whole garbage can of criminal behavior are those that are still making a killing on the consumers backs, the consumer has been screwed in a big way, and the beauty is most of them don't even know it. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00075Date: 06/05/98 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:21pm \/To: BEN GRANVILLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Linux BG> KD> AH> He told me what Win95 has over other OS's is ease of use. BG> KD> AH> Although that doesn't mean headache free as many have found BG> KD> And it doesn't have nearly the ease of use of MacOS. BG> KD> So it loses even there. BG> KD> (As I say, there's no use for Microsoft OSes) BG> Are you guys still mad because MS decided that OS/2 sucked BG> and dropped it? (I'm just glad they took out all the OS/2 They dropped it, but it isn't clear the decided it sucked. Me? Mad? Hardly. I've never been an OS/2 user, though I would if for some demented reason I had to use an x86 machine. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00076Date: 06/05/98 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 02:09pm \/To: DAN DEYETTE (Read 0 times) Subj: NEW! DD> system? I thought about it and ive decided to learn C++. DD> Anyone have DD> anything they'd like to say? Uh, if you are just learning C++, (assuming you know no other languages) writing an OS will be impossible. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00077Date: 06/05/98 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 10:02pm \/To: DIRK CAP (Read 0 times) Subj: Linux Dirk Cap wrote in a message to Denis Tonn: DC> So it is..... Maybe some parts of the kernelcode or inside DC> some dll's there is OS/2 code. Also, it can be loaded as a DC> subsystem to run OS/2 2.x textmode programs inside a DC> (DOS) OS/2 box. I haven't tested it yet, but it seems to work. 1.x 16 bit text mode programs. The add-on to allow 16 bit 1.x PM programs doesn't work with 4.0. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10.y2k+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00078Date: 06/04/98 From: DIRK CAP Time: 12:19am \/To: MATHIEU BOUCHARD (Read 0 times) Subj: OPENDOS Hallo Mathieu, MB> Lots of companies have made OSes very close to Unix: Sun, MB> Hewlett-Packard, Digital, Santa Cruz Operation, etc. And those are MB> often called Unix systems. Yes it is, and the systems you called are some of the best and most powerfull Unix systems. MB> And Linux was originally created by Finnish students, although it MB> quickly became very international. Will you tell me the whole story of the creation and publication of Linux. It seems very, very interesting.... :)) Greetings, Dirk ... Borg-DOS command : Assimilate C: /Q --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: Cap Dirk from Belgium (2:292/865.19) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00079Date: 06/05/98 From: JACK STEIN Time: 07:27pm \/To: DAN DEYETTE (Read 0 times) Subj: NEW! Dan Deyette wrote in a message to All: DD> Would it be a good idea at this point in time to write an DD> opperating system? I thought about it and ive decided to DD> learn C++. Anyone have anything they'd like to say? Good Luck! Would be much easier just to choose one of the two good OS written, OS/2 or Unix, and use one of them. You could use them to learn C++ then you will know quickly why this is not such a hot project to learn C++ on. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171)