--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00000Date: 05/26/98 From: SCOTT DRAKE Time: 11:41am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: OS-DEBATE Rules Hi All! The Moderator(s) of this echo are: Moderator : Scott Drake - 1:2630/212 ***** OS-DEBATE RULES ***** 1) This conference is dedicated to discussing personal computer systems software such as Operating Systems and Graphical User interfaces. 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SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00001Date: 05/25/98 From: HOWARD BRAZEE Time: 07:21am \/To: BADEN KUDRENECKY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Living Os'S And Almo In a message dated 05-16-98, Baden Kudrenecky said to Howard Brazee: HB> Occasionally, I will need to drag a big subdirectory as HB> a quicker alternative HB> to Partition Magic to free up some space. It is slow (with 32 Meg). Of HB> course, I don't even think about trying this with Windows! BK> This may have more to do with your hardware, than BK>the OS. I can transfer pretty quick on my 486 with 16 BK>MB: (I also tried dragging with the shell, and the BK>time difference is imperceptible) BK>================================================= BK>[G:\S_Drive]xcopy nets202.exe f:\ XCOPY is much faster with my system, but it does much less. The WPS doesn't know what you're doing so it doesn't update links. I use it quite a bit, but have discovered that XCOPY can sometimes mess up EA's (although MOVE seems to be worse). When I XCOPY \directory\*.* to a new directory, then quite often the WPS will get confused, thinking that the directory has the old directory's name. Quite irritating. But this copy is quick enough anyway. Add a /s and move a whole tree to slow it down. You notice the difference in WPS speed. It is worth it though, keeping links, and doing MOVES. It would be nice if it warned you that there might not be enough space though. BK> No, what I am saying is that windows is NOT BK>intuitive. Most people only know where many functions BK>are on their Windows system, only because they and BK>their peers have spent years searching for these BK>functions. OS/2 has a much more consistent and BK>intuitive user interface, as to open a new document, BK>you drag off a template, to get a new printer, you drag BK>off a template, or to make new folder, you drag off a BK>template. And with any existing object, a double click BK>will open it, and the proper program. Of course, there BK>are many other ways to skin the cat. And to shut down BK>OS/2, you select 'Shutdown' But Windows is in a position of strength. We do learn how to use Windows, nd once we learn it, it is intuitive. It is odd that I naturally now think of CTL-C, CTL-X, & CTL-V to cut and paste, probably because I don't have to move my hands, or maybe because I do more cutting and pasting of TSO filenames at work with a Windows terminal han I do at home. I have a cheat sheet to remember how to do so under Warp. Is CTL-INS then Shift-INS any more intuitive than Windows? After we learn it, they are both intuitive - before then, they are not. BK> Howard Brazee, Lakewood CO - brazee@compuserve.com ___ * MR/2 * Boy, what a dope you must think I am! Fred MacMurray --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: TeamOS/2-Denver * ISDN, x2, V90 * Denver (303)337-8701 (1:104/720) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00002Date: 05/25/98 From: HOWARD BRAZEE Time: 07:29am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Ie Part Of Os? Of course Microsoft is not alone in requiring browser features/parts/dlls for other applications. I bought a CD which had all of the current fixpacks for Warp, and installed fixpack 6 for Warp 4. Except I had to do a couple of upgrades first, including upgrading to the latest Netscape. The fixpack installation routine wouldn't run without the latest Netscape!!! Howard Brazee, Lakewood CO - brazee@compuserve.com ___ X MR/2 X "Who is #1?" "You are, #6." --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: TeamOS/2-Denver * ISDN, x2, V90 * Denver (303)337-8701 (1:104/720) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00003Date: 05/27/98 From: JONATHAN ROBERTS Time: 05:01pm \/To: HOWARD BRAZEE (Read 0 times) Subj: Ie Part Of Os? RE: Ie Part Of Os? BY: Howard Brazee to All on Mon May 25 1998 07:29 am OTE: DCTEdit v0.04 [0] > Except I had to do a couple of upgrades first, including upgrading to the > latest Netscape. The fixpack installation routine wouldn't run without he > latest Netscape!!! The difference is that Netscape and OS/2 are not made by the same mpany. - Gremlin ... A political party is organised opinion. --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.25 * Origin: The Caverns BBS - 504.831.2825 (1:396/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00004Date: 06/02/98 From: TOM BELL Time: 01:37am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: OPENDOS anyone tried it? is this the same as DR-DOS from Caldera? -- --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: [F] -=Lions BBS=- Lemoyne, Qc (514)923-7925 (1:167/580) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00005Date: 06/02/98 From: JONATHAN ROBERTS Time: 10:56pm \/To: TOM BELL (Read 0 times) Subj: OPENDOS RE: OPENDOS BY: TOM BELL to ALL on Tue Jun 02 1998 01:37 am OTE: DCTEdit v0.04 [0] > anyone tried it? > is this the same as DR-DOS from Caldera? Yup on both accounts. - Gremlin ... "Homer Sexual? C'mon, one of you guys must be Homer Sexual!" -- Moe --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.25 * Origin: The Caverns BBS - 504.831.2825 (1:396/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00006Date: 05/31/98 From: HOWARD BRAZEE Time: 07:21am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Popular=Bad? In a message dated 05-29-98, Jack Stein said to Howard Brazee: JS>The fact that the worlds WORST OS's are dominant says a lot JS>more about marketing and user stupidity than about JS>strengths of an OS. Currently, and for as long as MS, IBM JS>and INTEL have been selling their crap to the public, JS>user's have mostly been getting screwed. Of course, I can say the same thing about "bad" anything, and lament why "the people" support bad restaurants, bad movies, bad art, etc. After all, if the people" just had the opportunity, they would naturally pick OS/2 as I do, and my favorite restaurants would stay in business, my favorite movies would make more than the trash... Those poor, misguided people with different taste from me need to be onverted for their own good. Howard Brazee, Lakewood CO - brazee@compuserve.com ___ * MR/2 * So, Santa.. How much for your list of Naughty girls? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: TeamOS/2-Denver * ISDN, x2, V90 * Denver (303)337-8701 (1:104/720) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00007Date: 06/02/98 From: MAURICE KINAL Time: 02:54pm \/To: TOM BELL (Read 0 times) Subj: OPENDOS 02 Jun 98 01:37, TOM BELL wrote to ALL: TB> anyone tried it? TB> is this the same as DR-DOS from Caldera? Yes, OpenDOS 7.01. Yes it is one and the same. --- Msged 4.30 beta * Origin: ZOLTAN -> Ladysmith, BC (250) 245-7168 (1:351/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00008Date: 06/01/98 From: ABRAM HINDLE Time: 07:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: OS/2 vs Net Attacks? Does anybody know if os/2 is protected against: TearDrop Bonk/Boink NewTear SynDrop NesTea and any other popular nukers.. Cause I know NT is is partially and all the open source unix's get fixed within in hours of the problem but what would you do on OS/2? Can OS/2 be multiuser? ABeZ --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS Duncan Canada (250) 748-3408 (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: FAS00009Date: 06/03/98 From: JOSEPH W DUMOULIN Time: 06:40am \/To: TOM BELL (Read 0 times) Subj: OPENDOS I bet you're impressed. Hey TOM how the hell are ya! TB> anyone tried it? yes, it's running the bbs system. TB> is this the same as DR-DOS from Caldera? yes Joseph --- GoldED 2.42.G0214+ * Origin: real friends don't let friends us 95 (1:141/1191)