--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00093Date: 04/27/98 From: DENIS TONN Time: 11:53am \/To: RICH VERAA (Read 0 times) Subj: Why Nt Server? Original from Rich Veraa to Abram Hindle on 04-24-1998 Original Subject: Why Nt Server? --------------------------------------- HB> 1. Unix is too expensive. HB> 2. He doesn't trust Linux. AH> Can you clarify this? Did he say anything about Linux? It's the IT'S AH> FREE SO IT'S BAD thing we gotta eradicate. This idea that something AH> is free sucks is just like the general feeling about welfare. People AH> view linux as welfare OS.. ABeZ RV> Many, if not most, large corporations have legal policies that forbid them RV> from using freeware for liability considerations; eg.: if RV> they use Linux and something goes wrong, there's nobody RV> they can sue. Corps don't like "free" software, but not for the reason you suggest. Check your licence agreement for whatever you run today, you can't sue the manufacturer for anything that "goes wrong". The licence agreement (which you agreed to when you started using it) explicitly prohibts you from taking that action. No, the reason is related to the legal status of that "free" code. Who owns it? Are there any pieces in it that someone could come after me for (and demand exorbitant amounts of money)? With a purchased and licenced piece of code, they are absolved of any resposibility for the legal status of the code. The supplier is responsible. Denis All opinions are my very own, IBM has no claim upon them . . . --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: T-Board - (604) 277-4574 (1:153/908) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00094Date: 04/28/98 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:55pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Starting a new debate JS> Is there a reason one cannot write a certain type of app JS> because you run UNIX? No reason, however, certain types of apps seem to be more popular on UNIX than on other platforms. For instance, if I'm using just a text-only dumb terminal, I cannot use a modern page-layout program. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00095Date: 04/28/98 From: MATT BEDYNEK Time: 07:24pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: here * Original message posted in: os-debate. * Crossposted in: osdebate. Gates admits NT 5.0 needs work http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21546%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.ts. With a sea of technology executives looking on, Bill Gates admitted that MS is working on Windows NT 5.0's scalability-- and that it still crashes too often. Later, Matt (mbedynek@hotmail.com) --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: The PostOffice - (409) 531-0067 - WHARTON, TX USA @ (1:106/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00096Date: 04/29/98 From: MATT BEDYNEK Time: 09:24am \/To: ABRAM HINDLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Why Nt Server? * Reply to a message in personal.mail. Sun Apr 26 1998 12:14, Abram Hindle wrote to Matt Bedynek: MB> Not to mention FreeBSD which a lot of large ISPs use! AH> Yah BSD is pretty BIG too. CDROM.com a giant server runs FreeBSD. AH> What does Sunsite.unc.edu run? Do not know, I never been to that site. However I would guess some flavor of unix? Later, Matt (mbedynek@hotmail.com) --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: The PostOffice - (409) 531-0067 - WHARTON, TX USA @ (1:106/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00097Date: 04/29/98 From: MATT BEDYNEK Time: 09:29am \/To: ABRAM HINDLE (Read 0 times) Subj: OS/2 Dead debate Sun Apr 26 1998 12:11, Abram Hindle wrote to Kenneth Abrams: AH> I really don't think that FidoNet is good example. Come on BBSing AH> is dying or at least moving (to the net w/ telnet BBSs). Fidonet AH> has a strong OS/2 base in the first place (do to BBSing). Bull. I garentee that if 50% of fidonet sysops ran NT you'd be trowing that around. It doesn't matter,... users are users weather they are in fidonet or not. Later, Matt (mbedynek@hotmail.com) --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: The PostOffice - (409) 531-0067 - WHARTON, TX USA @ (1:106/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00098Date: 04/28/98 From: ABRAM HINDLE Time: 06:29pm \/To: ERIC LEGAULT (Read 0 times) Subj: OS/2 Dead debate EL> Hi Abram, AH> RARELY (actually in my case NEVER) have I heard someone switch AH> from 95 to OS/2 or start TO USE OS/2. EL> I started using OS/2 December 26th, 1997. ;-) Well your the first I've seen switch. ABeZ --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS Duncan Canada (250) 748-3408 (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00099Date: 04/28/98 From: ABRAM HINDLE Time: 06:30pm \/To: BEN GRANVILLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: OS/2 Dead debate BG> OS/2. Also I see many OS/2 AH> users jumping boat to Be or Linux. BG> IBM does a great job at making sure that people won't BG> (can't) switch from Win95 to OS/2. When was the last BG> time you saw an OS/2 commercial? How about a boxed BG> copy of Warp in a computer store? How about in a BG> magazine add? Well we do have OS/2 Warp in the bargin bin at where I work. Can't sell the darn thing. BG> I don't think Solaris is getting any more popular. The BG> x86 and Sparc Solaris I've priced was much more than BG> I'd be willing to pay. We are actually going to switch BG> our old Sparc 5 and a Sparc 10 over to Redhat and give BG> that a try. Solaris is popular w/ the development crowd and the server crowd mainly. ABeZ --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS Duncan Canada (250) 748-3408 (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00100Date: 04/28/98 From: ABRAM HINDLE Time: 06:33pm \/To: BEN GRANVILLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Why Nt Server? AH> Can you clarify this? Did he say anything about AH> Linux? It's the IT'S FREE AH> SO IT'S BAD thing we gotta eradicate. This idea that something is free AH> sucks is just like the general feeling about BG> welfare. People view linux as AH> welfare OS.. BG> But the Linux corporations are going to run isn't going BG> to be free. I don't think I've ever heard of a non-ISP BG> running a freeware Linux. Maybe Caldera or something BG> but not Slackware, etc. I've seen many instances of non isps using linux like the US postal service to do OCR on ZIpCodes or even the rendering of the water in Titanic. They usually use RedHat. RedHat is way more used thatn Caldera.. BG> And, what corps look for is support, warantee, and BG> quality. Something that just isn't included (to a real BG> extent) in a free package. (I wouldn't trust a 10,000+ BG> user network to run on Debian, would you?) Sadly enough they don't get support from MS (they do it's not worth mentioning). Either thats what Caldera offers. If the corporations would hire good sysadmins they'd have minimal probs. The problem now is all these NT hacks going for sysadmin jobs and knowing jack all and doing jack all. 10,000 user network to debian? What machine are you running it on. Personally I view debian as one of the most stable Linux distros in the first place. What you need there is a good sysadmin. BTW 10,000 would not be on a NT box :). ABeZ --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS Duncan Canada (250) 748-3408 (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F5G00101Date: 04/28/98 From: ABRAM HINDLE Time: 06:37pm \/To: RICH VERAA (Read 0 times) Subj: Why Nt Server? RV> In a message to Howard Brazee, Abram Hindle wrote: HB> 1. Unix is too expensive. HB> 2. He doesn't trust Linux. AH> Can you clarify this? Did he say anything about Linux? It's the IT'S AH> FREE SO IT'S BAD thing we gotta eradicate. This idea that something AH> is free sucks is just like the general feeling about welfare. People AH> view linux as welfare OS.. ABeZ RV> Many, if not most, large corporations have legal RV> policies that forbid them from using freeware for RV> liability considerations; eg.: if they use Linux and RV> something goes wrong, there's nobody they can sue. That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Have you read the MS licenses? And almost every other license! They don't give a crap what happens! They are not responsible for that even if they made the bad OS. Your arguement is very weak here. Sue bah if that were true MS would be outta money in the flash of a camera (ok bad saying). ABeZ --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS Duncan Canada (250) 748-3408 (1:340/204)