--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00009Date: 03/08/98 From: HERMAN HANSCHKE Time: 02:35am \/To: STEWART HONSBERGER (Read 0 times) Subj: wake up, IBM! RE: wake up, IBM! BY: Stewart Honsberger to Alan Hess on Sun Jan 11 1998 04:13 am SH> Hmm.. Maybe have some sort of "form letter" on your (not your SH> specifically, just OS/2 supporters in general) that says something SH> like "If you want IBM to push OS/2, click here and type your name".. SH> ? (I know that *I* would run it if I ever saw something like that! SH> Or, knew the address(es) to complain to) SH> So, any CGI programmers out there with some spare-time? Maybe each time it's clicked, have it send an email over to the appropriate address? Let's see... Tiny :) -*- SabreEDIT v1.72a [STS97] --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.25 * Origin: [Mission: 2002][807-344-3917][Thunder Bay, ON] (1:229/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00010Date: 03/08/98 From: HERMAN HANSCHKE Time: 02:38am \/To: MIKE SPROULE (Read 0 times) Subj: wake up, IBM! RE: wake up, IBM! BY: Mike Sproule to Frank Sexton on Fri Mar 06 1998 08:53 pm MS> never mind all the new applications and games that are made for MS> windows 95 only.. programs continue to be developed for other operating systems. FORGET ABOUT GAMES! They only waste time that you could be spending doing more productive things on your computer. There is an OS/2 alternative to doing anything that can be done in Windows -*- SabreEDIT v1.72a [STS97] --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.25 * Origin: [Mission: 2002][807-344-3917][Thunder Bay, ON] (1:229/522) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00011Date: 03/08/98 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:06am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: OS-DEBATE RULES 1/2 Hello All! 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Keith Douglas (1:167/310) - Co-Moderator FidoNet OS-DEBATE --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00013Date: 02/27/98 From: MATHIEU BOUCHARD Time: 02:28am \/To: JOSEPH W DUMOULIN (Read 0 times) Subj: OPENDOS MB>> pc-mos/386 is a commercial dos clone, multitasking before MB>> NovellDOS did, and better than that. Never saw it, though. I'd MB>> like to. (I'd also like to see gem, too, and os/2 v1.0, and see MB>> again MultiVue, and playing with amigaos, among other things) JWD> realy yeah. MB>> caldera dr-opendos is what happened when novell didn't need nwdos MB>> anymore. caldera decided to get the two last cents out of a good MB>> dos. JWD> i just d/l'ed opendos 7.02, from what i'm hearing it beats the snot out JWD> of ms-6.22 as well as the 7 that went with 95. have you tried it? Yes, and i'm not really impressed, maybe that's because i didn't explore everything. I still prefer the version 6.00 of the same thing (in the time it was called DR-DOS), and i plan on reinstalling that version, while keeping some of the newer tools. I find v7.02 to be a little unstable and it doesn't like QEMM/DV, but again, I haven't worked much with the thing, I'm more of a Unix guy now. I personally think DRDOS 6.00 with QEMM 7.04 and DV 2.6x is about the best i can have DOS-wise, but maybe i've gotten somehow conservative. matju --- Terminate 4.00/Pro * Origin: The Lost Remains Of SatelliteSoft BBS (1:163/215.42) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00014Date: 03/08/98 From: QUENN FINCH Time: 6:43=am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: wake up, IBM! ------ =_NextPart_000_82601DF5.42053KR01573 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JS> Rich Veraa wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> they run all the same software, (other than a few WIN95 apps) and JS> look almost exactly the same on the surface. The only thing that JS> seperates them in the market is OS/2 is not installed routinely on JS> every PC sold on earth and OS/2 is now hard to buy, you have to go JS> looking for it. I notice at the computer store. They are selling Redhat Linux 5.0 and OpenLinux v1.2 more than OS/2 and Windows. Linux be on the shelf one day and be gone at the end of the week. I can tell you that Linux is very popular now. I just bought my copy of OpenLinux Base v1.2 this weekend at Fry's Electronics since they ordered some more Linux. ------ =_NextPart_000_82601DF5.42053KR01573-- --- Reg#SSD0A26G082C Quenn Finch CyberQWK v1 . 4 (c)95-97 Stryder Soft. Dev. --- Orion CBCS/2 v3.26 * Origin: Orion CBCS/2 (PrivateWare) (1:222/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00015Date: 03/07/98 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 10:37am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 0 times) Subj: Linux Vs Windows Hello Keith! 05 Mar 98 20:56, Keith Douglas wrote to Kenneth Abrams: KD> It has an eject button, just not one you can press by accident. Where? KA>> software for shutdown and won't even turn off without KA>> pulling the battery if the system gets hard locked. KD> Don't you -want- to make sure things are spun down? Of course, but that has nothing to do with it. KD> Restart it. Can't. What I'm talking about are notebook computers that rely on software to *power down* the system. Lock up the system, and even pressing the power switch doesn't do anything. You have to actually remove the battery and sever all power to get it to turn off. I've seen this in two different computers, one ancient XT class luggable (and I had to go to the guy's house to see it to believe it) and more recently in an IBM ThinkPad. Kenneth (kabrams@erols.com) --- GoldED/2 2.50 UNREG * Origin: Lexington Park, Maryland (1:109/921.67) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00016Date: 03/08/98 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:35pm \/To: MIKE SPROULE (Read 0 times) Subj: OS-DEBATE RULES 1/2 MS> > be best to find a different conference, even though you won't be MS> > ostracized for such discussion in OS-DEBATE. MS> ok.. these rules are fine and dandy, and say not to flood MS> the bases,ect, but MS> did anyone think about having to read rules in every Mike, if you have problems with the rules, please use netmail to me or to Dave Raymond. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3E00017Date: 03/08/98 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:37pm \/To: DARREN HAMILTON (Read 0 times) Subj: Question DH> KD> what is a -non consumer GUI-? DH> The world beyond the computer screen. ;-) An interesting perspective, but unfortunately not one that seems to be helpful for the current discussion, no? --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: F3F00000Date: 03/10/98 From: MIKE SPROULE Time: 08:42am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 0 times) Subj: OS-DEBATE RULES 1/2 RE: OS-DEBATE RULES 1/2 BY: Keith Douglas to Mike Sproule on Sun Mar 08 1998 01:35 pm KD> MS> > be best to find a different conference, even though you won't be KD> MS> > ostracized for such discussion in OS-DEBATE. KD> MS> ok.. these rules are fine and dandy, and say not to flood KD> MS> the bases,ect, but KD> MS> did anyone think about having to read rules in every KD> Mike, if you have problems with the rules, please use netmail to me KD> or to Da Raymond. Problem with the RULES? HA! I have probably seen about 10 messages this call explaining the rules in different bases, and I think there is no need to keep on explaining yourself, the sysops should have the rules on the BBS during new user login. Well, since this is OS-Debate.... Who here thinks Windows 95 is the best piece of software ever made? -*- SabreEDIT v1.72a [STS97] --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.25 * Origin: [Mission: 2002][807-344-3917][Thunder Bay, ON] (1:229/522)