--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00005Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 04:42pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Internet Explorer 4.0 - Not a hateful me16:42:0012/06/97 Hi, to all of you who haven't downloaded/installed the full release of Internet Explorer 4.0, and who are fedup with the speed decreases of the Preview /Developers release 2, then I suggest you install the full release. It is much better, *FASTER* well from what I could see - about a 500% increase from the PR2 edition. Outlook Express also has some added features, and is easier to use than the previous version. I would just like to add on the final note - and what my point is. Its a fantastic package, and is alot better than the PR1+ versions. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... Join the Group Mind - become a Borg --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00006Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 04:54pm \/To: DAY BROWN (Read 0 times) Subj: Web, - without an ISP > On 11-23-97 TOM BELL wrote to CHRIS WILSON... > TB> Any dos text-only program that doesn't have the svga requirement? > I tried the inet a couple years ago with an ordinary dos > Termcomm. > when i logged onto BBSes that were on the web, they came up in > the > normal color ANSI, viewable on CGA. However: one of the > reasons I > gave it up, was that the file transfer rates ran around 900 > cps; I > had been using my new 28800 to log in direct to the same > BBSes. In > that method, the transfer rates were 2400. This depends on how far away you are to the BBS, their connection speed to the Internet, network traffic, ISP traffic and many other specific things. Eg: I log onto a BBS in the United states (I'm in Australia), it gets CPS rates of around a 9600 modem speed (ISDN 128K connect + My ISP has 1 ISDN 56K linkup for every 2 33600 modems). But, I log onto my friends BBS via the Internet (Is about 30 minutes drive from my house), get approx 3200CPS for download. My ISP and me are both within 1 KM (About 0.35Miles away) from the local telephone exchange. It all depends on different characteristics on your ISP, Destination and related stuff. Dont forget, using Telnet on the Net, is like routed fidonet netmail, each computer acts like a hub, and sends it to the next computer and so on. eg: >>YOU<<--->>COMPUTER1<<--->>COMPUTER2<<--->>COMPUTER3<<_ -------------------------------------------------------| |--->>DESTINATION<< Most information from from the Telstra Big Pond Internet Companion. RRP $9.95 (AUS) from Harvey Norman. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... Does history record any case where a majority was right? --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00007Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 04:58pm \/To: JONATHAN ROBERTS (Read 0 times) Subj: More on...."SPAM"... > RE: More on...."SPAM"... > BY: Mike Roberts to David Allan on Wed Nov 26 1997 04:14 am > > hate that myself, but I can't understand that if appropriately selected > > areas are spam, nor email, if the opportunity to cancel any further > > mailings is made available. Despite what some people say, Many people do > > appreciate getting what is so called electronic Junkmail, and as with > > the real stuff, most we don't read, we just delete, if we are > > interested, we may respond. If you want a totally paranoid, off the > There are a couple problems with your above > statements. 1.) Why should > some corporate entity have the right to send me mail that I do > NOT ever want to > receive. They don't even base the content on any stats > relating to me. It's > just BULK JUNK. 2.) Many people PAY by the minute for > internet access. > Downloading mail they didn't request costs them money. 3.) > Most cancel > functions do not work; in fact, many "companies" use them to > validate > addresses. If you reply with a cancel note, they KNOW the > address is valid. > SPAM ought to be classified under the Junk Fax law > then we would have > some legal recourse. Yeah, someone should form an anti-spam association out there. There probably is already one, but I've missed it. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... If Q was female, would he be called O? --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00008Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 05:00pm \/To: ANDREW STRONG (Read 0 times) Subj: Java Applets > Hello All, > Can anyone tell me a good site that offers free, well > made Java > applets? I need to spice up my WWW page but I don't have > sufficient > skills to write my own Java !!! Http://www.microsoft.com/sitebuilder Has a Java Library (No membership required), and a whole heap of links to places where you can download free/shareware Java applets. Check it out. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... Shut up, kid. -- Guinan --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00009Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 05:03pm \/To: FRANK MASINGILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Juno echo > DB> What is Juno? I have no inet access. > You are missing a lot, Day. It is free and the access is > free, the only > catch being that it has advertising to pay the cost. > Surprisingly, however, > the advertising doesn't become burdensome and unless you want > an item being > shown most of the time you don't even have to click cancel. > You really ought > to try it if you are close to a populated area with an access > number. > Otherwise the calls would be long distance. I dont live in USA/Canada, however I've heard alot about Juno. Is it true that they provide a freecall 1800 (Well 1800 prefix where I live), number for those who are out of the local calling area, provided they provide basic proof that they are not near any local access points. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... Spaghetti code means job security. --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00010Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 05:06pm \/To: JONATHAN ROBERTS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: More on...."SPAM"... > RE: Re: More on...."SPAM"... > BY: Mike Roberts to Jonathan Roberts on Thu Nov 27 1997 09:53 > am > > Just because YOU MAY not be interested, does that mean all people with n > em > > address are not? > No, it doesn't mean that others won't be. However, if > they're sending > to MY personal mailbox, *I* should be interested... > > playing devils advocate, What are your damages? what kind of physical nd > > mental suffering has taken place? I say it's minute, but then again I am > None of any sort. However, there are monetary damages > for those who > PAY to download each mail. The point is: they are trespassing > and it should be > treated just like Junk Faxes: prosecutable by law. > Jonathan Completely true, some UUCP<->Internet gateways for BBS's to receive e-mail, cost 0.02 cents per message, which addes up to about $20 for 1000 messages. Quite alot if you/BBS users receive alot of spam. Local UUCP providers to me, also charge for bounced mail to and from the BBS, which is a big rip-off. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... If I save time, when do I get it back ? --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00011Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 05:08pm \/To: SUSANNE FOOTITT (Read 0 times) Subj: SPAM > Well, all I know is that the state of Hawaii consumes more > Spam than the rest of the USA combined. Does that make us the > Spam Capital of the world? I guess, Me myself (On a no-longer used account), used to receive over 200 messages a day - just spam. I went to download the list one day, found out a list of just messages and subjects was about 400KB's in size. I guess that would make my house the spam capital of australia :) From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... "We must laugh at man, to avoid crying for him" Napoleon --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00012Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 05:13pm \/To: DAVID ALLAN (Read 0 times) Subj: More on...."SPAM"... > JR> RE: More on...."SPAM"... > JR> BY: David Allan to All on Mon Nov 24 1997 02:32 pm > > > Just wondered....How many addresses can/should one send a message to > before > > it comes under the definition of 'SPAM'....? > -=> Quoting Jonathan Roberts to DAVID ALLAN <=- > JR> I think it has more to do with whether the recepients WANT the > JR> mail. Mailing lists send to hundreds of addresses, but is not SPAM. > I send out a newsletter on a mailing list.... Just wondred if > I should > break down the list into smaller sections of addressees. > (FYI, it is NOT unsolicited...and they can request to be on > it, or off it.) > The reason I'm asking, is that it makes for VERY long > headers...and some > mail programs choke on overly long headers and 'recipient' > lists..... What program do you use? My mailing list program (Outlook Express), does not add every recipient address to the header, only the receiving and sending address. Its fantastic, and takes about 5 seconds to send a 2kb message to 50 addresses. From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... Split personality? Who, us? --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 106 DISCUSS INTERNET Ref: EGD00013Date: 12/06/97 From: SHAUN EWING Time: 05:16pm \/To: JONATHAN ROBERTS (Read 0 times) Subj: More on...."SPAM"... > RE: More on...."SPAM"... > BY: Lawrence Lucier to Jonathan Roberts on Fri Nov 28 1997 > 12:36 pm > > JR> SPAM ought to be classified under the Junk Fax law then > > JR> we would have some legal recourse. > > > > As should be telephone soliciting, IMHO.............. > Not a bad idea. Although, I'm afraid that > telemarketing is too > established to be stopped now. That's why I would to see > something done about > SPAM before it just becomes part of the internet. Why, is telemarketing that big a problem in Zone 1? Where I live (Australia), My house would probably receive a telemarketing/survey message probably about every 2 years :) From Shaun shaunewing@usa.net ImmortalNet Co-ordinator ... "Look at all the Indians!" - General Custer --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Immortal BBS Line 2 -=- St Clair, NSW Australia (3:712/848.5)