--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFC00001Date: 11/04/97 From: BAS HEIJERMANS Time: 03:52pm \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Windows'95 runs under OS/2! Greg Cobb made noise to Bas Heijermans: Hi Greg, -> Check out http://athena.asms.state.k12.us/~mlyohe/dosix GC> It told me there was no DNS entry for that URL. I tried GC> with WWW and all the way back to the site name and it was no GC> go. Can you e-mail it out to people who want to take a peak GC> at it or put it up for freq?? :) Sorry, but I can't find it back, forgot to save the bookmark. I found it with a search on Infoseek, I searched after DOSIX, you should be able to find it also. Merlin/2, Bas Heijermans. -=Team OS/2=- -=Mensys@Ping.Be=- --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: You need OS/2 soft? Call Mensys ++32-3-3124611 (Voice) (2:292/880) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFC00002Date: 11/05/97 From: DIRK CAP Time: 08:14pm \/To: RICH VERAA (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux Hoy Rich, RV> I don't keep old messages back that far, but to paraphrase, RV> Jack Stein asked you to stop merely repeating that NT RV> performs better than OS/2, but to tell us WHY its RV> performance is better. When you look at a process-computer who controls a fabrication proces there are differences between the proces-threats prioritys and the output_to_screen-threats prioritys then you will see a difference. The proces-threats have a higher prioritynumber than the output-threats. When i look at OS/2 and compare this OS to NT than there i come to the following answer. The priority of the output-threats are inside OS/2 higher constructed than these inside NT. When you look at NT the kernel and other subprocesses are at a little higher priority in contrast with his output-threats. I can't make a comparasation between NT, OS/2 and Unix. My knowledge about Unix is to low for this action. :-/ Maybe you know more about it ??? RV> Go, Marlins! It is a good choice Greetings Dirk (Belgium) ... Borg_Swap_Function - "All your memory will be assimilated." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Lucas Visions (2:292/865) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFC00003Date: 11/01/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 11:11am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que11:11:4011/01/97 Jack, In Jack Stein's message to Kurt Dillen on <24 Oct 97>, Jack Stein said: JS> I was at Boarders Book store today, and they had a HUGE selection of JS> Linux books, and a decent selection of UNIX books, only a very small JS> section of NT books. Also noted there was a large selection of JAVA JS> books, about twice as many as C and C++. They had more *nix books JS> than WIN95 books, which surprised even me. JS> I'd say Linux is doing very well based on this. JS> WIN95 users are certainly around, but I've not met one personally that JS> has the slightest clue of how a computer works, and now, all they do JS> is get on AOL and chat with each other. WIN95 users are even more JS> computer illiterate than WIN3x users, they *barely* know how to turn JS> on the computer. Why do you associate Win95/3.x users as not 'knowing how to turn on a computer'? On what do you base this total generalistic comment? JS> This at first seems cool, as most of them probably JS> would never use a computer if they had to think, but I wonder how JS> many JS> potential gear heads are lost, and will never get beyond clicking on JS> the AOL icon and crossing their collective little fingers? Another such comment. JS> I know one guy at work that had he gotten into computing a few years ^^^ So much for the 'multitude' of people that you say have NFI about computers that use Win95, eh JACK? JS> ago, would have been a gear head within a month (I know the type). JS> He JS> tried with WIN95 and only managed to screw up his system several JS> times, never managing to get past the funky GUI crap. He has given up JS> and now spends his time writing really stupid Email, and changing his JS> screen colors and desktop at work. There is a lot of people out there who cant even do that, but it has nothing to do with the choice of thier OS. Regards, - Robert White [ rwhite@cryogen.com - geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFC00004Date: 11/05/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 09:28am \/To: RICH VERAA (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que09:28:1011/05/97 Rich, In Rich Veraa's message to Robert White on <30 Oct 97>, Rich Veraa said: RV>> You were asked the direct question a half-dozen messages ago. RV>> The fact that you were unable to answer it is what's pathetic. RW>> Well why dont you quote back to me what I was supposedly asked? RV> I don't keep old messages back that far, but to paraphrase, Jack Stein RV> asked you to stop merely repeating that NT performs better than OS/2, RV> but to tell us WHY its performance is better. What do you mean WHY is it better? Better Programmers than the jerks at IBM perhaps? Better Networking/Security/Multi-tasking? Better interface? More powerful? Enough? I have already argued all this, why dont you try and keep your head above the sand, and look at whats going on around you. Regards, - Robert White [ rwhite@cryogen.com - geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFD00000Date: 11/08/97 From: LEE ROBERTS Time: 02:52pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the14:52:0511/08/97 Upon hearing what Rich Veraa said about To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que Robert White became enraged, and said: RW> RV> I don't keep old messages back that far, but to paraphrase, Jack Stein RW> RV> asked you to stop merely repeating that NT performs better than S/2, RW> RV> but to tell us WHY its performance is better. RW> RW> What do you mean WHY is it better? Better Programmers than the jerks at IBM RW> perhaps? Totally subjective and unsupported, not to mention emotionally biased ("jerks"?) RW> Better Networking/Security/Multi-tasking? And we're supposed to take your word for it, with no support? RW> Better interface? Totally subjective and unsupported. RW> More powerful? Totally subjective and unsupported. You're new to this whole concept of "supporting one's positions", aren't you? BTW, you *still*, after several months, haven't answered my very simple question regarding software quality and how it relates to availability in retail software outlets. It's quite easy, but I'll ask it again anyway: do you still maintain that software can't be any good if it isn't in your local software store? If so, can it then be concluded that you think most variants of UNIX and UNIX software aren't any good? --- Launch Line 6.66 * Origin: The Launching Pad Phoenix, AZ (602)864-6610 (1:114/513) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFD00001Date: 11/07/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 03:21pm \/To: KYLE HEARN (Read 2 times) Subj: OS-list to join (part 2) KH> Show a mac user a unix shell with no mouse attached and tell KH> them to do something with the machine. Makes for good KH> entertainment. Considering that I'm a Mac user which can use UNIX, your assertion is hereby falsified. (BTW, On efnet #macintosh, unixes are the second most popular OSes) --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFD00002Date: 11/08/97 From: LEE ROBERTS Time: 11:10am \/To: BAS HEIJERMANS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Windows'95 runs under OS/2! Upon hearing what Greg Cobb said about Windows'95 runs under OS/2!, Bas Heijermans became enraged, and said: -> Check out http://athena.asms.state.k12.us/~mlyohe/dosix BH> BH> GC> It told me there was no DNS entry for that URL. I tried BH> GC> with WWW and all the way back to the site name and it was no BH> GC> go. Can you e-mail it out to people who want to take a peak BH> GC> at it or put it up for freq?? :) BH> BH> Sorry, but I can't find it back, forgot to save the bookmark. BH> I found it with a search on Infoseek, I searched after DOSIX, you should be BH> able to find it also. That DOSIX thing is, from what I understand, a complete and total hoax. irst of all, the "project" is being done by a bunch of high school kids. :) What's far more interesting is the Win32-OS/2 project, where a couple guys re trying to come up with a sort of converter that would enable you to turn any Windows program into a native OS/2 program. So far they've managed to get it to work with little things like Notepad and the calculator app. Check it out at http://www.io.com/~timur/win32os2.html. --- Launch Line 6.66 * Origin: The Launching Pad Phoenix, AZ (602)864-6610 (1:114/513) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFD00003Date: 11/09/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:05am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: OS-DEBATE RULES 1/2 Hello All! 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Keith Douglas (1:167/310) - Co-Moderator FidoNet OS-DEBATE --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EFD00005Date: 11/08/97 From: KEITH HOOPER Time: 06:03pm \/To: JONATHAN ROBERTS (Read 2 times) Subj: Hornet's nest Now The manuals tell me this also but when I've tried to load it I get the "this program not supported by win-os mode" or something to that affect. Now granted it's an older version. 2.0. maybe that's the prob. But I can't even get my dos utilities to load. Defrag and others. any clue why? --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: ::: The KBC BBS ::: (1:260/310)