--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100011Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:03pm \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Unix Shell access JM> JS>> As in most any UNIX site set up for multiple users. JM> KD> Could have fooled me. (Witness any ISP that allows shell access) JM> Don't know about your ISP, but back before I became one, my Oh, sure, I'm not saying all of CAM's 6000 users are root, I'm just saying that if Jim's setups don't allow certain types of access, we've been comparing apples and bananas. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100012Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:05pm \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Script files JM> KD> So what can and can't they do? JM> KD> - Create files JM> KD> - Create directories JM> KD> - Delete files JM> KD> - Delete directories JM> KD> - rename files JM> KD> - rename directories JM> KD> - perform more than one task JM> KD> etc. JM> In OS/2 and Unix all of the above and more can be done. John, you quoted out of context here. I was asking Jack what the users on his system are allowed to do. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100013Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:08pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que13:08:0008/31/97 JS> Pipes and redirection hardly creates more work than JS> necessary, how do you arrive at that? It would be easier if things just talked to each other, no? rather than have you explicitly do it all the time. JS> Sure it does. Grep -l "keith douglas" *.txt will list the JS> filename of every file found that contains the string. and doesn't allow me to do negative searches; and forces me to use a certain naming scheme, and so forth. JS> Not with a mouse they don't, and they don't know that a JS> picture of a fish represents a recipe application, or JS> whatever. You make it sound like there are no names to anything. And you STILL have't responded to Tog. JS> KD> Could have fooled me. (Witness any ISP that allows shell JS> KD> access) JS> Shell access is just that, access to one shell, one JS> directory, they can't do any damage to the system from a I have access to lots of shells and directories. (And, no, I'm not root) JS> Replacing a HD obviously can't be done remotely, but so JS> what, the system will still be running off another server, JS> so no one will know the difference. People will eventually - 'hey, where did the webserver go'? etc. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100014Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:09pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que13:09:0008/31/97 JS> KD> It strikes me as some UNIX programs only want to deal with JS> KD> (by default) certain extensions of files. (eg: a linker .o JS> KD> files) JS> KD> This is annoying. JS> Thats the application, not Unix itself. My Borland compiler JS> wants .obj files by default. Why on earth would you find JS> what a compliler names object files annoying? You just finished saying that I can name things what I want. If applications don't let me, what good is it? --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100015Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:10pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que13:10:0008/31/97 JS> Of course you can. What the system does for the user and JS> what the user can do themselves is NOT the same thing. True, but I now (as of the below) know how restricted your access really is. I'll get back to you when you start comparing systems closed or open to the same degree. JS> The user can't do any of this (on my system) The As above. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100016Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:11pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, RW> KD> Robert, cool it. There is no reason at all to shout. RW> Yes there is.. You stupid twits dont listen! Consider yourself officially warned. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100017Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:22pm \/To: LAWRENCE LUCIER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the13:22:0008/31/97 LL> GS> You've got OS/2 confused with NT here, Lars. OS/2 uses a LL> GS> monolithic kernel, NT uses a microkernel. LL> Anyone.................what's the difference between these AFAIK, NT doesn't use a microkernel, but... The difference lies in the amount of system services present in the kernel. (MacOS uses a macro, and Rhapsody a micro) BTW, Denis Tonn can probably cover this better, if he's still around.. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100018Date: 08/31/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 01:25pm \/To: JUSTIN BAUSTERT (Read 2 times) Subj: OS/2, The Best Intranet Server Choice...13:25:0008/31/97 JB> OS/2, The Best Intranet Server Choice? Justin, is this from a magazine or other copyrighted publication? If so, please use selective quotes... fair use, you know. Very interesting, in any case. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100019Date: 08/31/97 From: JACK STEIN Time: 08:24am \/To: LARS HELLSTEN (Read 2 times) Subj: Software Lars Hellsten wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> completly wrong on that one, since OS/2 alone runs all dos, all win JS> 3.x and all OS/2 and some WIN32 apps, I'm rather certain you are JS> wrong. There is very little WIN95/NT ONLY software in the world. LH> Be a little more creative in the way you interpret things. LH> I think you understood the point being made (at least it LH> seemed pretty obvious to me), which is that: many if not LH> most Win 3.x apps also have 32-bit versions. No, his point was exactly what he said, which was there is more software available for WIN95/NT. That is not true. LH> What is the point in running a 32-bit OS in the first place if LH> you're going to run 16-bit apps? Whats wrong with 16 bit apps? Converting an app from 16 bit to 32 bit won't do much for it at all, in fact, I've heard it said it can be detrimintal to some tasks. LH> That said, if you had a choice between running, say, Eudora Pro LH> for Win 3.x, or Eudora Pro for Win95/NT, which one would you LH> rather run? I'm still looking for a better recipe program than QBOOK, which is an old DOS recipe program. Whats Eudro Pro anyway? LH> I think the answer is pretty obvious. But you'd be stuck LH> running the inferior version if you use OS/2. It's not obvious to me, since I don't know what it is. LH> It's no wonder so many OS/2 users say that "OS/2 software is LH> better than Windows software", That's BS. I've seldom seen an OS/2 user say that. I've said many tiimes my self that OS/2 PM apps are as BAD as WIN graphical apps. LH> or "There's plenty of OS/2 software out there" ... they LH> haven't SEEN any of the good Windows software, because they LH> can't run it! I've seen a few WIN95 apps. People keep calling me to fix problems they are having with their lousy OS. Not to mention I've been running WIN95 at work for several months now, and as time goes by, it keeps getting worse. It's a lame OS with a lame interface, very user unfriendly, very unstable, very weird actually. Our site administrator is pulling her hair out with multiple problems daily. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100020Date: 08/31/97 From: JACK STEIN Time: 08:49am \/To: LARS HELLSTEN (Read 2 times) Subj: GUI's vs 0110011011 Lars Hellsten wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> GUI's have been shown to be vastly unnecessary, and have been for JS> many years now. LH> Really? So how exactly would you go about editing an image? With an image editor I reckon. LH> Lynx is a nice web browser at times, especially when I LH> don't want to wait for Netscape to load. But surely there LH> aren't too many people who would actually rather use it than LH> Netscape. I would, for one. LH> And while a lot of people still use WP for DOS, LH> personally I never have used it, and never could use LH> anything other than a GUI, WYSIWYG word processor. WP for DOS has WYSIWYG for graphics. What makes you think you need a GUI to run applications that can do graphics? JS> None of them are needed forany computing task, and have JS> demonstrated this lack of need for a gui year after year. LH> They're not absolutely necessary, but somehow I don't think LH> most people exactly do mental cartwheels at the thought of LH> editing a picture with a binary/hex editor, or even by LH> typing in commands and co-ordinates. That's stupid. First, editing pictures is a very very very very small part of computing, secondly, you don't need a GUI to run an applictation to edit pictures, view pictures or whatever. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171)