--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00003Date: 08/27/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 10:13am \/To: DARRELL SALTER (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the Darrell, In Darrell Salter's message to Robert White on <22 Aug 97>, Darrell Salter said: RW>> Look stupid! We are in DIFFERENT ZONES! Meaning different RW>> COUNTRIES! cant you get that?!?!?!?!?!?!? DS> Heh, unlike you, he's smart enough to remain in this echo. DS> Yeah, I'm WARPed! Yeah, you could say that.. Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00004Date: 08/27/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 10:14am \/To: LAWRENCE LUCIER (Read 2 times) Subj: Software in stores Lawrence, In Lawrence Lucier's message to Robert White on <22 Aug 97>, Lawrence Lucier said: RW>>>> I do see your point.. Though you cannot ignore the fact that RW>>>> most residential software sold today is for Win95/NT and not RW>>>> OS/2. TS>>> Actually, I'd have to point out that most residential software TS>>> sold today is still for DOS/Win3.1, since that's still the TS>>> largest market segment. RW>> Would you have to point that out would you? RW>> Prove it. LL> Well seeing as how you are asking him to provide some proof, I will LL> ask you for proof to back up your statement about " most residential LL> software sold today is for Win95/NT "..............which you should LL> have done in the first place. :-) You compile a list of software written for OS/2 that is used in the normal home. And i will do the same for Win95/NT. Then we will see who comes out with the most? Shouldnt be too hard, it'll only take you a few minutes to do :) Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00005Date: 08/27/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 10:16am \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Web as software source John, In John Meroth's message to Robert White on <23 Aug 97>, John Meroth said: RW>>>>> that the first place people go to buy software, thier local LR>>>> No, that's the first place *Windows* users go to buy software, LR>>>> because many of them aren't capable of any more than that. Ask LR>>>> a serious UNIX user the last time he/she had to go buy software LR>>>> at a retail store. RW>>>> Dont you think that if there WAS any good software for OS/2 RW>>>> then they would at least have it on a store shelf? TS>>> No, because most OS/2 users prefer the convenience and lower TS>>> cost of going through the direct channel. They leave the stores TS>>> to the lemmings. RW>> If they preffer convienience shopping then why would someone want RW>> to spend hours on the internet searching for one thing? JM> Hum, you must have either some really poor sources for WIN programs on JM> the web or a really poor abiltiy to do those searches. nope, i have plenty. JM> I may spend hours having fun or researching something for a client, JM> but I only spend a few minutes finding the software I need. JM> Online software catalogs are great! A matter of opinion. LR>>>> Also, by your way of thinking there is no good UNIX software at LR>>>> *all*, since you will almost never find it in your typical LR>>>> software store. If that's really what you're saying, you might LR>>>> want to rethink it, because it's absurd on its face. RW>>>> I did not say that. We are talking only about Win and OS/2. JM> Nearly all UNIX software is portable to OS/2. Most of the more JM> commonly used UNIX applications have already been ported YEARS ago. This is not about UNIX. Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00006Date: 08/27/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 10:18am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que10:18:2608/27/97 Jack, In Jack Stein's message to Robert White on <23 Aug 97>, Jack Stein said: RW>> So? This is not a debate over what the system rescources are RW>> but on the OS itself. NT is MUCH better than OS/2 when it RW>> comes to thigs like Multi-tasking / Security / Networking. JS> Don't just leave it there, tell us WHY NT is MUCH better than OS/2 JS> when it comes to multitasking? Multi-tasking? Is that all you are going to pivck on? How about the rest of it JACK? How about Security, and Networking? There are inadequicies when it comes to these two factors and OS/2. RW>>> Although this all depends on how graphically intense your other RW>>> sessions are, as to what result and how efficient it will be. RW>>> But for a BBS Win95/NT definatley takes the cake. EK>> Sorry, untrue as well. RW>> Dont just leave it there! Tell why I am wrong! Come on! JS> First, you tell us WHY "for a BBS Win95/NT takes the cake", THEN we'll JS> be happy to tell you why you are wrong. You act like you have friends! Using terms like "we'll"... Dont dis-illusion yourself. Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00007Date: 08/27/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 10:23am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que10:23:1808/27/97 Jack, In Jack Stein's message to Robert White on <23 Aug 97>, Jack Stein said: ->>> Not really, since I know quite a few people that are experienced ->>> in using OS/2 and have had similar trouble. GC>> What about the remainder of us who haven't had that problem? :> RW>> There is only one explanation for that and thats the fact RW>> that under certain systems OS/2 simply refuses to function RW>> properley which is a design fault on the makers / RW>> programmers part. JS> That's a rather lame approach to problems one has. No OS works JS> perfectly on every peice of hardware made. WIN and NT are CERTAINLY JS> no execptions to this, and in fact may be among the worst as far as JS> depending on them installing and running correctly on various JS> hardware. Worse, they have many problems running on hardware DESIGNED JS> specificly with WIN in mind. The _clincher_ is once WIN/NT are JS> installed and running correctly, they are STILL lousy environments to JS> work in, not dependable, unsafe at any speed, VERY difficult user JS> interfaces, unbelievably lame utilities ( the more I use WIN95, the JS> WORSE it gets, just the opposite of good OS's like OS/2 and UNIX) I maintain and run approx 30 odd terminals every single day and not once have i come accross any major hiccups using Win95/NT. hahahahaha you think that Win95 is hard to operate? ha! Obvoiusly you are one of these people that when you say to them 'copy this file over here' you go back to the gui and do it through the filemanager. Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00008Date: 08/29/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 04:26pm \/To: JOHN MEROTH (Read 2 times) Subj: Starship John, In John Meroth's message to Robert White on <25 Aug 97>, John Meroth said: JM>>> It's a bit ironic to see a NT fanatic supporting the TV series JM>>> that launched Warp 4.0 RW>> How do you get a TV series out of that? JM> Simple. I went to the website. JM> www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 SO? Are you saying that I can't like a TV show and like NT at the same time just becase that TV show supposedly spawned Warp v4.0? Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EC^00009Date: 08/29/97 From: ROBERT WHITE Time: 04:28pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, Keith, In Keith Douglas's message to Robert White on <26 Aug 97>, Keith Douglas id: RW>> LISTEN!! READ THE ORIGIN!!!!! WE ARE DIFFERENT ZONES!!!! KD> Robert, cool it. There is no reason at all to shout. Yes there is.. You stupid twits dont listen! Regards, - Robert White [ R_White_@hotmail.com - www.geocities.com/area51/dimension/6715 ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Terminal Shock; Fidonet; Treknet; +61-2-9771-1182 (3:712/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100000Date: 08/31/97 From: LEE ROBERTS Time: 09:46am \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the09:46:3108/31/97 Upon hearing what Jack Stein said about To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que Robert White became enraged, and said: RW> I maintain and run approx 30 odd terminals every single day and not once ha RW> i come accross any major hiccups using Win95/NT. RW> RW> hahahahaha you think that Win95 is hard to operate? ha! Obvoiusly you are o RW> of these people that when you say to them 'copy this file over here' you go RW> back to the gui and do it through the filemanager. Now we have proof positive that you don't pay attention. :) Jack *hates* GUIs -- that's part of why he hates Windows. He prefers command-line utilities (as do I, most of the time), and Windows is sorely lacking in this area. No scripting ability, almost no text-mode software available -- you almost *have* to use the GUI if you want to do anything other than copying or moving files. --- Launch Line 6.66 * Origin: The Launching Pad Phoenix, AZ (602)864-6610 (1:114/513) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100001Date: 08/31/97 From: LEE ROBERTS Time: 09:48am \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Software in stores Upon hearing what Lawrence Lucier said about Software in stores, Robert White became enraged, and said: RW> LL> Well seeing as how you are asking him to provide some proof, I will RW> LL> ask you for proof to back up your statement about " most residential RW> LL> software sold today is for Win95/NT "..............which you should RW> LL> have done in the first place. :-) RW> RW> You compile a list of software written for OS/2 that is used in the ormal RW> home. And i will do the same for Win95/NT. Then we will see who comes out w RW> the most? RW> RW> Shouldnt be too hard, it'll only take you a few minutes to do :) You're joking, right? I gave you a full-page list of things that I use every day here at home. That list didn't even represent everything that *I* use, much less everything that's available. You've never even used OS/2 yourself, have you? --- Launch Line 6.66 * Origin: The Launching Pad Phoenix, AZ (602)864-6610 (1:114/513) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: ED100002Date: 08/30/97 From: MARK BIRENBAUM Time: 09:24am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the09:24:3008/30/97 MB> majority of users. Why do you think it is the Mac developed MB> such a reputation as an easy to use machine? Underneath,MB> the Mac OS was never any better than Win3.1, it crashed as KD> You have got to be joking. Win 3.1 is built on a 16 KD> bit house of cards. Mac OS is much more. I ain't joking. It's built on better hardware, none of the incredibly annoying restrictions of the 80x86 chips, particularly in the memory addressing department (I have a real soft spot for the 68020), or several other annoying restrictions inherent in the IBM PC technology, and that's where most of the Mac's superiority over a Win3.1 PC comes from. Besides, you and I know that the "16-bit" nature of an OS is irrelevant. The Amiga OS was 16-bit, and it was truly incredible (in many ways, arguably better than Win95, I can't compare to System 8.0 since I have had very little time to study it.). MacOS (until system 8.0) didn't have virtual memory with out thirdparty add-ons, a major component of modern OSes. Additionally, like Win3.1, it was a co-op multi-tasker, meaning one program hanging, could easily take the entire system out. That said, I've been told OS 8.0 is a major improvement, and you will note, I did use the past tense in the my original message. Actually, on the topic of OS 8.0, I think we can see why MS and Apple are able to get along. They share despicable marketing tactics. In fact, I'd say Apple's appear worse. Apple clone makers are being forced to sell the decidely inferior OS 7.6, because Apple, can't seem to stand any competition. I like the Mac, I'm quite happy with ours, and it's a lot easier to use than the Windows machines, but the Mac has gone from having a massive technological lead, to bringing up the tail end of the technological race. Additionally, it looks like you Mac users are starting to suffer the same problem us OS/2 user have for the last two years; the company making your OS doesn't have a coherent plan for it. Mind you, at least your company likes its own OS . * Nereid * The native OS/2 message editor. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: The Foundation - (403) 436-1345 / 437-1617 - (1:342/620)