--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00067Date: 06/30/97 From: HERRY BUDIUTAMA Time: 10:37pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, RW>I see, so where is all the software for UNIX then? I can say that RW>I now-a-days dont see much support for UNIX at all, but I see plenty RW>I for Win95. There are plenty of software for unix. Although there are plenty of Win95 software, they are commercial (and forget about OS/2). Most unix software are free. Best of all unix software are portable to all sorts of platforms. You can even run X on Win32. If you don't see much support, you haven't seen what most ISPs are made of. ISP either run Unix or NT as their server. If you mean advertisement, then of course there isn't much advertisement because they aren't trying to sell free software. Read a good book on TCP/IP and see what operating system its for. The internet itself practically sits on unix. RW>Are you ~TRYING~ to say that UNIX is EASIER to learn that Win95?! or RW>perhaps ahem.. OS/2? Unix have a much steeper learning curve than both OS/2 or Win95. CMPQwk 1.42 22351 --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: MoonDog BBS RIME NetHub Brooklyn,NY (1:278/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00068Date: 07/01/97 From: JUSTIN BAUSTERT Time: 08:05pm \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: OS'es LK> You'll be surprised what IBM employees can get for free while they LK> work there. A friend of mine got a $10,000 top of the line laptop LK> fully loaded with 3 HD's. One for NT, one for 95 and one for OS/2. LK> The OS/2 came packed with different applications. We've been through this before.. I doubt seriously that IBM gives away applications that they don't even produce.. LK> Like I said.. I got OS/2.. the rest I got as present (i.e. Some at LK> birthday, and so on). As previously mentioned, I was kinda crazy LK> about OS/2 in the past. ;) You seem to be so interested in the applications that everyone else is running.. What applications did you get as "presents"? LK> According to your logic, OS/2 should have a swap file either, but LK> I'm sure you have the starting values set at a certain range. The LK> same thing applies for windows. Or have we forgoten the days of win31 LK> where the more ram you have, the more swap file size you could of LK> had? hence the starting value could be bigger?! That's not what I said.. Maybe you took it wrong. I have OS/2 setup to boot with a 2M swap file.. As long as I don't start loading dozens of apps, that swap file *never* gets touched.. Hence the reason that it really isn't *needed*.. Under Win95, with only one node of the BBS running (no other apps), as the day grew longer the swap file grew larger, the system became more unstable.. I was lucky if the system didn't hang once per day.. I had none of those problems running a single node under DOS.. In fact, I left the BBS up while I was away to college for a few semesters.. Every now and then I'd call home to see if everything was running allright, for the most part it did well.. With OS/2, I don't *need* to worry about it. I haven't forgotten the days of Windows 3.1.. I didn't get conned into that game in the first place.. I was, and still am for the most part, a DOS diehard.. Windows 3.1 was a novelty item, which is pretty much the same way I view Win95 today. When I first decided to put up the board, I started looking around at other sysop's setups.. That was actually the first time I had been introduced to OS/2, and I figured out right there that a stable system is *by far* the most important thing you need to start with.. The number one priority on this system is the BBS, not games, not designing web pages, not desktop publishing, not the internet.. JB --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00069Date: 07/01/97 From: JUSTIN BAUSTERT Time: 08:11pm \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: OS'es [2/2] LK> a browser! Don't you see that JAVA applications are a step forward LK> in portability buta HUGE step back in speed?!? JAVA code is 10 LK> times slower than native C++ code.. So if you think that NS 2.02 or LK> Smartsuite is slow, you just wait till Corel Office JAVA comes LK> around.. I'll be surprised if it pops up after 30 seconds! Go ahead and show us the white paper where you found this argument.. If anyone is screaming that JAVA is slow, it's probably Microsoft since they can't follow the standards in the first place.. BTW, how many JAVA and C++ apps have you coded to test the differences? JB --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00070Date: 07/01/97 From: JUSTIN BAUSTERT Time: 08:17pm \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the20:17:3707/01/97 JB> Here's a good one.. Explain to everyone here why windows95.com JB> NT server for their site.. LK> I don't know, and I don't care. They aren't running OS/2 either. LK> As for your "there are no deamons for win95" remarks, I just LK> installed WarFTP (a ~*FREE*~ FTP deamon that works perfectly fine and LK> FAST under win95) which also follows all the UNIX ftp standards in LK> compatibility and speedas well as having many features not found in LK> any other deamon. Did I say they were running OS/2? All I was pointing out is that the largest Windows95 related site on the internet isn't even running Microsoft NT server.. It's a *nix variety, FYI.. I don't remember where you're pulling the above quote from, but it sure isn't from me.. By your thought process, WarpFTP must be a piece of crap, since it's freeware and all.. Why don't you buy the latest 50 meg release of MicrosoftFTP just to be on the bleeding edge? While you are strolling the isles of KMart, come up with that list of features that *only* WarFTP contains.. I'm sure the *nix guys around here are ready for a field day.. JB --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00071Date: 07/01/97 From: JUSTIN BAUSTERT Time: 08:20pm \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the20:20:1507/01/97 LK> to respect.. you gotta give some to get some. i.e. If you want a LK> kick ass multitasker which a lightning bolt won't put down, then you LK> gotta give it a TON of system resources. So far I saw it to be true LK> with all the variants of UNIX, WinXX, and OS/2. All I can say to that is "blah".. I gave Win95 a P166MMX and 64M of RAM, and it couldn't multitask itself out of a wet paper bag.. WinNT may be a different story once I decide it's worth the HD space.. JB --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00072Date: 07/01/97 From: GREG COBB Time: 08:46pm \/To: ROBERT WHITE (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que20:46:2007/01/97 Hi Robert! Sunday June 29 1997, Robert White babbled to Greg Cobb: GC>> We understand that quite well. The point the 95 fanatics want to make GC>> is that there is NO quality software available for OS/2, which is GC>> about as off-target as it could ever be. There is so much garbage -> There no Software designed to be used for recreational / Home use which s -> written exclusivley for OS/2. What? You're saying there are NO OS/2 ONLY apps in those categories? -> I have run OS/2 before whilst running my bbs and I found it Slow and -> sluggish while i multitasked between two DOS sessions and this was on a -> P166 with 24 meg RAM. Some of us know how to tweak a system. I ran it on a 486DX2/66 with 8 Meg and got compliments from the callers. --- 2SuaveEd v.0 * Origin: Picture This... Southaven, Ms (601)280-2805 - (1:123/434) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00073Date: 07/01/97 From: GREG COBB Time: 08:49pm \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: I'm BACK!!!! -=Twit message skipped=- --- 2SuaveEd v.0 * Origin: Picture This... Southaven, Ms (601)280-2805 - (1:123/434) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00074Date: 07/01/97 From: ASHER DENSMORE-LYNN Time: 10:36pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que22:36:3707/01/97 30 Jun 97 16:46, Keith Douglas wrote to Jack Stein: JS>> to install and configure. End users that simple run the KD> Why should one pay an admin? Uhm, how about "because I'll be damned if I work for free"? d: Asher Densmore-Lynn ... And I though this was going to be simple.... --- Squish v1.11 * Origin: Phaenix Rampant, 'Uhm... I hit it again!' (1:130/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00075Date: 07/01/97 From: ASHER DENSMORE-LYNN Time: 10:38pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: I'm BACK!!!! 30 Jun 97 17:25, Keith Douglas wrote to Leon Kiriliuk: LK>> Hey.. look at the mac users.. they're happy with LK>> their 3 crashes a LK>> day, but do they complain?? NO! You know why? Because they KD> Mac OS doesn't crash 3 times a day. True -- if it was that stable, I'd be happier. When I'm working on my eleventh or twelvth hour at the newspaper on deadline night, That Damned Bomb is the -last- thing I want to see. (To add insult to injury, it quite often happens WHEN I save.) Asher Densmore-Lynn ... Black holes resulted when MS tried to beat a deadline! --- Squish v1.11 * Origin: Phaenix Rampant, 'Uhm... I hit it again!' (1:130/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: EBC00076Date: 07/02/97 From: JOHN MEROTH Time: 08:33am \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: Buggy OS or Buggy apps? Hello Leon! Replying to a message of Leon Kiriliuk to John Meroth: JM>> Actually, I'm connected 24hrs a day at 68kb. Will be bumping up to JM>> 128kb is a few more weeks as my ISP (me) has grown enough to need JM>> the increased bandwidth. LK> Nice.. I'm getting a 10MPs cable connection installed on the LK> 3rd! Cable Company? JM>> Nope. Have none of those problems. LK> Really!?! Next time a frame loads, press on the bar to go LK> down... you'll see what I'm talking about.. This was a major LK> complaint people had that never was fixed. Just tried it. No problems at all. JM>> to stay online. There are several OS/2 dedicated newsreaders such as JM>> Post Road that work very well. LK> But they don't come close to FreeAgent! you're opinion. JM>> Again, you don't understand the concept of multitasking and object JM>> oriented desktops. LK> I do very much. As for the OODesktop, what feature of it do you LK> use that you can't live without? The ability to move direectories across drives without loosing the links to the files. Shadowing icons. LK> So far OOD is just a phrase you keep LK> on swinging around just to make your OS look "cool". Anyways, back on LK> topic, multitasking and multiheadering works great under win95... Multiheadering? LK> that is why I can can do 100 different application releated tasks at LK> the same time with my mail reader, and yours doesn't even have 100 LK> features! 100 features? ROTFLMAO JM>> With Windows, you NEED the 'all in one' application for the JM>> connectivity of the appliations. Most other desktops don't. LK> Not true! You are spreading false remarks! You can't even name LK> a single application which is so! Haven't you ever heard of OLE2!?!? Again, you missed the point. JM>> Based on your posts, I find it hard to believe that you have ever LK> Believe it.. I know a heck of a lot more about OS/2 than you do LK> about win95! I seriously doubt that. You may have used OS/2 in the past, but based on what you post here, you never understood it. TTYL, John Meroth --- FleetStreet 1.19 NR * Origin: Tampa Bay OS/2 -- Clarion BBS (1:377/86)