--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5K00001Date: 05/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:34pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? JS> JS> Yes, and it's worked here since the day I installed OS/2. JS> KD> You missed my point. JS> My point was that START worked here, more evidence that I was trying to ascertain whether or not START was part of 4DOS/4OS2. If it was, that would explain why Scott couldn't use it. (I personally didn't know) --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5K00002Date: 05/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:38pm \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que12:38:0005/15/97 ss> I think so, you just need the applications that perform the ss> tasks. Windows ss> 95 runs on top of it. That's true, but Windows 95 is a hack job. I'd rather have it in from the begining, and a defined method of extending stuff. ss> ss>> Can you support this statement? ss> KD> Apple's human interface research. See Tog on Interface, and ss> KD> many other studies. ss> "See Tog"? It's a book. ("Tog on Interface") ss> KD> and so forth. ss> I guess so. There *are* some, however few. You obviously live in a place where GUI == 100 meg microsoft office. :) I agree that some applications (etc) are bloated. But I don't use them. ss> KD> BBEdit is a great example of what a GUI app should be like. ss> In what ways? I've never seen it. BBEdit has an interface that uses the keyboard if you want, and the mouse options, etc. are there if you want them. Just like finder. You see, you can use a GUI with all the convinience of a keyboard, but not a CLI with all the convinience of a mouse... that's the ticket. If a user forgets, it should pop up, telling him, this is what to do. Balloon Help is the natural conclusion of this, for the times you cannot remember at all. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5K00003Date: 05/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:42pm \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? ss> ss>> Most of it is very backwards-incompatible, a lot of it ss> KD> What? Backwards compatibility (particularly in the OS is ss> KD> outstanding) ss> Can I run a PPC app on a 68k machine, both running MacOS? You can run a FAT app, the way a lot (most) of apps are available. ss> I want a command line that is native to the OS, so that I ss> can keep my hand There are dozens, likely. Take your pick. ss> combinations which require ss> holding down of keys rather than touch typing. Does comamnd-down require you to hold stuff? ss> KD> Read the Finder short cuts, (for instance), or learn an OSA ss> KD> language. ss> I couldn't be bothered to, honestly. So you can't be bothered to learn the powerful stuff. Hmm. ss> Why not? They are a significant portion of the market. And everyone knows they're bloated. So? I'm not saying all the software is well optimized (-No- OS can claim that, obviously), just that a lot of it is. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5K00004Date: 05/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:43pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? SL> SL> using MS products (or so I gather). MS just happen to take SL> SL> someone else's SL> SL> idea, make it better, and market it more successfully. SL> KD> Care to give examples of the first statement? SL> First statement? The one about him using MS products or the "MS just happen (sic) to take someone else's idea, make it better, ..." That one. Justify that. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5K00005Date: 05/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:51pm \/To: DARRELL SALTER (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? DS> EV> What are you getting so offended over? Is Deep Blue your DS> Huh? Am I in Os-debate? Eric, and Darrell, yes, this is an OS debate forum. However, that does not mean it is OS-PersonalVendetta.. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5L00000Date: 05/15/97 From: ERIC JONES Time: 05:06pm \/To: DENIS TONN (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? *NOTE: IceEdit 2.30 [Eval] -=> Quoting Denis Tonn to Eric Jones <=- EJ> Excuse me? I never said putting win programs into seperate session EJ> was either prefered or default! Please have the coutesy of reading my EJ> message _before_ replying! DT> .... EJ> Anyway, as if it mattered, according to HELP's description EJ> of "seperate session" if you use the "add programs" function, EJ> OS/2 will automatically determine by itself if the windows program EJ> needs "seperate session" and act accordingly. So then, being in the EJ> shared WIN session is only the default if you add the program EJ> manually, or OS/2 decides the program doesn't need to have it's own EJ> seperate session. DT> .... DT> Hmm.. The above is your total unmodified quote which I responded to. Not the entire origional message though. DT> If you are saying that the OS/2 defaults are defined to run most DT> Windows apps in a common WinOS2 session, then I still can't see it in DT> what you wrote. If I was unclear I apologise, but you _do_ need to take what I said _in_context_. The rest of the origional message was a reply to someone who as saying that because WINOS2 sessions are _not_ shared by default that I was telling a "half-truth" (his words) by pointing out that OS/2 simply has the ability to _have_ seperate sessions at all. DT> The words "only the default if" and "or OS/2 decides DT> the program doesn't need to have it's own separate session" DT> in the last sentence both imply that the "normal" default is the DT> opposite of what you are telling me know. It might just be the way DT> you phrased it, but the implication is definitively the same now DT> as when I read it the first time. You keep going on about what you _think_ I was _implying_, without going into the actual _content_ of what I said. What I am telling you now is the same thing I've been saying all along. Since the person I was replying to was placing such importance on the default status of the option being off (and trying to make it seem as though that fact devalued the function somehow), I was trying to point out that that is not necessarily the default in _every_ case. It is the default if you put the program in manually (in wich case you should know what you're doing anyway and be able to make simple decisions like this) _but_not_ _necessarily_ if you let OS/2 do it for you. If you use the ADD PROGRAMS function and OS/2 finds a program that needs seperate session on, OS/2 will set it on. If you add a program yourself, be prepared to make that call yourself. DT> If you really meant it the way you now say you did, then consider my DT> "correction" a clarification. The way I "now" say I did? Are you trying to make it look like I'm going back and forth on this issue? Are you implying that I can't make up my mind on this issue? ... Of course you're not, but I hope you can see why you should be more careful and pay more attention to _what_ is being said rather than _how_ it is being said. (But, just for the record, my position on the subject has and will remain adamantly constant on this matter.) ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!" ~~~ TGWave v1.20 Beta-07+ --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5L00001Date: 05/16/97 From: DARRELL SALTER Time: 06:57pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? Keith Douglas wrote in a message to Darrell Salter: DS> EV> What are you getting so offended over? Is Deep Blue your DS> Huh? Am I in Os-debate? KD> Eric, and Darrell, yes, this is an OS debate forum. However, that KD> does not mean it is OS-PersonalVendetta.. OS-PersonalVendetta. Hmm.. you might have something there Keith. :-) Cheers, Darrell darrells@idirect.com Yeah, I'm WARPed! ... I am stranded, caught in the crossfire... --- * Origin: Sparky's - Sailin' home.. (1:229/1) Hi Keith! Sorry to use this echo for this but, I tried to send you a netmail, but you're not in the nodelist. Are you a victim of the recent nodelist manipulation by your NC? Cheers, Darrell darrells@idirect.com Yeah, I'm WARPed! ... I bought you some gift-wrapping paper for a gift. --- * Origin: Sparky's - Always under construction! (1:229/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5L00002Date: 05/16/97 From: DARRELL SALTER Time: 07:09pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? Hi Keith! Sorry to use this echo for this but, I tried to send you a netmail, but you're not in the nodelist. Are you a victim of the recent nodelist manipulation by your NC? Cheers, Darrell darrells@idirect.com Yeah, I'm WARPed! ... I bought you some gift-wrapping paper for a gift. --- * Origin: Sparky's - Always under construction! (1:229/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5P00000Date: 05/18/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 08:40pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? Scott Little wrote in a message to Keith Douglas: KD> "MS just happen (sic) to take someone else's idea, make it better, KD> That one. Justify that. SL> Windows. Apple stole/bought/borrowed from SPARC and when Apple got SL> MS to make software for them, MS thought they'd have a piece of the SL> GUI scene as well for the IBMs. SPARC? Are you attempting to refer to Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center? Or Sun's processor architecture? Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5P00001Date: 05/18/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 08:40pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? Scott Little wrote in a message to Keith Douglas: KD> "MS just happen (sic) to take someone else's idea, make it better, KD> That one. Justify that. SL> Windows. Apple stole/bought/borrowed from SPARC and when Apple got SL> MS to make software for them, MS thought they'd have a piece of the SL> GUI scene as well for the IBMs. SPARC? Are you attempting to refer to Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center? Or Sun's processor architecture? Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290)