--------------------------------------- AT> A nice emulation, yes. Like I said in another message: AT> I'd use OS/2 for all of my programming etc. and let the AT> family use DOS/Win3, *IF* OS/2 didn't have that crazy AT> keyboard freezing bug. I type a while, and then the AT> keyboard freezes. Yet, the mouse is working, and so is the Why not pop over to the OS2 echo and decribe all the details of your "bug"? Level of system, application(s), hardware, etc.. One way or another, the crowd over there should be able to help.. Denis All opinions are my very own, IBM has no claim upon them . . . --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: T-Board - (604) 277-4574 (1:153/908) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300026Date: 05/01/97 From: DENIS TONN Time: 04:31pm \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 2 times) Subj: Lemming-Ware Original from Leon Kiriliuk to David Bowerman on 05-01-1997 Original Subject: Lemming-Ware --------------------------------------- DB> Just tried that. I launched Netscape/2, PMMail, Newsbeat, SFTP and DB> Time868 (PM Apps) and also launched my Fido echo fetch via FTP LK> Not THAT! I was talking about launching all of them at the same time! LK> When I ran warp on my high end 486, and tested it on a P166 with 32MB of LK> RAM, the biggest pain in the butt was the single queue problem where main LK> stream applications, while loading, didn't allow any other apps to load (or LK> for you to use the mouse at all!) LK> LK> A good example of that is WordPro. When you double click on WordPro, LK> while you see the Lotus LOGO, before it finishes loading, then try to load LK> netscape, PMMail, and all the rest.. You can't! It's impossible! It's a LK> defect due to OS/2's single queue! It's a defect due to the apps. It is CLEARLY documented how to handle this under OS/2. In the case of Lotus apps, they made a clear design decision to lock the queue during startup. A few of us have been around the ropes with Lotus on this one more than once, and they specificly want it to work that way. In fact they are trying to make it work that way under Win32 also.. Bad example.. LK> Heck, 99.999% of the time why I needed to reboot the system under OS/2 LK> was because my queue was stuck! (even with the fix introduced in FP17 for LK> OS/2 warp 3!) I have rarely needed to reboot my system since FP17 because of a locked input queue. There have been other problems, but not a locked input queue. Simple test: hit CTL-ESC, then ALT-ESC, and wait 15 seconds. If you don't have a popup asking to kill the app, you don't have an input queue lock problem. You may not be able to "kill" the app under some situations, but without the "bad app" dialog you don't have an input queue hang. FP17 (and above) will "rip away" the queue from the app after a certain amount of time. To activate this, just click on another app or window instead of hitting CTL-ESC, ALT-ESC. After a few seconds the queue will be automaticly "passed" to the window you selected. This is generally what I do nowadays. OS/2's Synchronous Input Queue (it has just as many "queues" as Win95 and NT, only it operates them differently) has been blamed for many things that it is not responsible for. Denis All opinions are my very own, IBM has no claim upon them . . . --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: T-Board - (604) 277-4574 (1:153/908) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300027Date: 05/02/97 From: NICKY MORROW Time: 07:27pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Update Hello Scott! > I am now running OS2 Warp Connect (that's VERSION 3 for the slow > people) to run my BBS. The BBS machine is a 486DX4/100 16M. Connect plus a 486/100 and 16 meg is a nice combo to run a BBS on. Excellent information concerning the operation of a BBS with OS/2 can be found in the Jan97 issue of OS/2 Computing Magazine: http://www.os2computing.com Look in the back issue section for the Jan97 issue. Cheers, Nicky Internet: nrmorrow@cybertron.com --- FleetStreet 1.19+ * Origin: Emerald Coast/2 * Navarre,FL * (904)939-5242 * (1:366/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300028Date: 05/03/97 From: ERIC JONES Time: 04:15am \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? *NOTE: IceEdit 2.30 [Eval] -=> Quoting Scott Little to Eric Jones <=- EJ> Why? I mean really, if it works what's wrong with it? SL> It wastes memory. There is only 16meg of it. EJ> that using the LAN stuff slowed the system down) Why wouldn't this be a EJ> better solution? SL> If I'm going to waste 16meg on the OS2 machine, i'm definatly going to SL> install networking and make some use of it. But I would have sworn you were griping about having to steal some ram off your WIN machine *JUST* so you could install the networking stuff *JUST* to use the MAP command to move your CD drive letter around. Sure, it would waste a few K, but you could then put that ram back in the WIN machine that you actually sit in front of and use all the time. As well as saving some room on the OS/2 machine's HDD since you wouldn't then need the networking stuff. How many 16K (smallest OS/2 allows) ramdrives would it take to get your CD's letter in the right place anyway? Enough to seriously affect performance once you move some of that RAM back to the WIN machine? Didn't you say the networking stuff slowed it down? Wouldn't removing it even things out anyway? EJ> Didn't even know I had it... Probably because I never needed it EJ> myself. And it's freeware too, how nice. SL> Is it an 'IFS'? If so, tell Mack so he'll get off my back. The freeware OS/2 subst utility I have here does use the IFS system to get it's job done. Does that make it an IFS? I don't know. I've used a butterknife to turn screws, does that make it a screwdriver? Personally I think it's a pointless issue. Feel free to argue with Mack about it all you want, I don't see how it makes a difference either way. ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!" ~~~ TGWave v1.20 Beta-07+ --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300029Date: 05/03/97 From: ERIC JONES Time: 04:55am \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? *NOTE: IceEdit 2.30 [Eval] DT> Since your BBS is Dos based, then the the SUBST command shipped with DT> OS/2 will work fine. It is intended for Dos compatability in VDM DT> sessions. SL> Which means I can't run it from an OS2 box. I have to manually open a SL> new DOS session and start it from there. Huh? Why can't you just put the SUBST command in OS/2's AUTOEXEC.BAT? Then you can launch your DOS bbs from an OS/2 prompt, and when the DOS session loads it'll use the DOS SUBST in the AUTOEXEC.BAT and everything *should* work fine. In fact, I'll just try it now to be sure. Yes, when I put SUBST Q: E:\ERIC in the default AUTOEXEC.BAT that OS/2 uses on DOS sessions and then launch XtreeGold from an OS/2 prompt, I can play around on my new Q: drive wich is full of all the files in E:\ERIC. (because, of course it *is* E:\ERIC) And if you're using HSTART to launch your DOS BBS from an OS/2 mailer you can even tell it to use a seperate AUTOEXEC.BAT file entirely. ... A child of 5 could understand this! Fetch a child of 5! ~~~ TGWave v1.20 Beta-07+ --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300030Date: 05/02/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:27pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hel MB> KD> Insignia's various emulators allow both for running stuff directly MB> KD> off a HFS volume, or off a virtual FAT/VFAT volume which is simply MB> KD> a container file on a HFS disk. MB> Know Insignia very well... had to support NTrigue on a unix MB> network. Curious. (I've never used NTrigue) What's it like? --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300031Date: 05/02/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:32pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que12:32:0005/02/97 JS> KD> man ircii didn't help JS> I already told you ircii is not a unix command. It's usage JS> could be added or removed to/from the man pages however. It's a UNIX program, and it has a man page, but not a useful one for what I wanted to do. JS> This system doesn't exist. What you mean must make sense, JS> to the OS, not just to you. If it is possible to have But they are one and the same under Mac OS. JS> characters mean different things, then there must be a way JS> to identify which meanings you want. But they don't! That's (a) great weakness of commandlines in general. JS> is a MAC somehow telepathic so it knows what you mean, or is JS> it so inflexable that you can't use variables and such on JS> the command line? You don't use a commandline. That's the point. Suppose I'm writing an AppleScript, in UserTalk... for all files in folder if the file type is not SIT! tell stuffit to stuff the file move the file to back up disk end for (this is a little loose, but you get the idea) JS> If I want my application to process all the files who's 3rd JS> character is "x" JS> and was created today, and exclude any files ending in JS> "junk" I can do it with UNIX, but no GUI interface I've seen JS> has this type of flexability. You just haven't played with AppleScript (and/or Find File) --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300032Date: 05/02/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:33pm \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que12:33:0005/02/97 ss> Let's see. They use WAY more memory than a CLI, they are 2 times or so, for many times the functionality. it's worth it. ss> focused on 'point and click', rather than keyboard use ss> (which is faster and ss> more efficient), they often demand more of the video Which isn't, for most users, and furthermore, I can use the keyboard. I can navigate Finder without ever touching the mouse. ss> the programs written for them are usually bloated and ss> inefficient when Care to give examples? --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5300033Date: 05/02/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:37pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Hm Things that make you go hmmm. Someone found a Built With BBEdit tag on a pcworld web page.. (for those who don't know, BBEdit is a funky Mac OS only text editor with quite a following) --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310)