--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100025Date: 04/30/97 From: ERIC JONES Time: 05:44am \/To: ANTHONY TIBBS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? *NOTE: IceEdit 2.30 [Eval] AT> My only fault with Warp is this: It screws up my Windows fonts, and AT> my keyboard tends to freeze up a lot. I can't use Warp for anything AT> requiring a lot of typing, because after so long, the keyboard stops AT> functioning. Yet, the mouse still works, and the program is still AT> running. If there was a fix to this (and a way to get around the AT> Windows fonts being removed/replaced), I'd use Warp for sure. I still AT> have the disks. Have you tried applying any fixpacks? Dunno if it'll help though, sounds to me like either A) it just doesn't like your hardware or B) You have the REDSPINE version (Wich from my own personal experience was less stable than the BLUESPINE version, though FP17 made it much better). Dunno about the windows fonts, I think I only have 2 or 3 windows programs on here at all. ... ACRONYM: Abbreviated Coded Rendition Of Name Yielding Meaning ~~~ TGWave v1.20 Beta-07+ --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100026Date: 04/30/97 From: ERIC JONES Time: 03:26pm \/To: DAVID BOWERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? *NOTE: IceEdit 2.30 [Eval] EJ> ## Filename.Ext Bytes Date Description EJ> == ======== === ======= ========================================= EJ> 01 SUBST120.ZIP 26,700 08/03/96 SUBST for OS/2 2.x/3.0, Version EJ> Didn't even know I had it... Probably because I never needed it EJ> myself. And it's freeware too, how nice. DB> But it doesn't come with OS/2! After all, for OS/2, if it doesn't DB> come in the box, it doesn't exist. Darn, you mean here I've been using all these nifty OS/2 programs and utilities, and now it turns out that they don't even exist because they didn't come packaged with OS/2? That must be some good stuff you're taking, give me a hit off that pipe. But back to SUBST. If I ever need to use SUBST with OS/2 (v3.0) I either have to... A) make due with the DOS version (wich only works in DOS sessions) B) nab a freeware utility off the internet or a BBS C) if using Warp Connect, use the MAP command Or if I'm just wanting to move the CDrom's drive letter around, I could... D) throw a few tiny ram drives in config.sys before the CDrom driver Heh, and this is just since I'm using an old version of OS/2. Does annybody out there know if v4.0 comes with SUBST? ... Aha! I caught you reading taglines again. ~~~ TGWave v1.20 Beta-07+ --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Courier Central \ Cashion, OK \ 405.433.2665 (1:147/92) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100027Date: 05/01/97 From: LEON KIRILIUK Time: 12:39am \/To: DAVID BOWERMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Lemming-Ware DB> Just tried that. I launched Netscape/2, PMMail, Newsbeat, SFTP and DB> Time868 (PM Apps) and also launched my Fido echo fetch via FTP Not THAT! I was talking about launching all of them at the same time! When I ran warp on my high end 486, and tested it on a P166 with 32MB of RAM, the biggest pain in the butt was the single queue problem where main stream applications, while loading, didn't allow any other apps to load (or for you to use the mouse at all!) A good example of that is WordPro. When you double click on WordPro, while you see the Lotus LOGO, before it finishes loading, then try to load netscape, PMMail, and all the rest.. You can't! It's impossible! It's a defect due to OS/2's single queue! Heck, 99.999% of the time why I needed to reboot the system under OS/2 was because my queue was stuck! (even with the fix introduced in FP17 for OS/2 warp 3!) Leon Kiriliuk --- * Origin: The Sight & Sound BBS (416)665-6908 (1:259/532) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100028Date: 05/01/97 From: LEON KIRILIUK Time: 12:45am \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Lemming-Ware GC> You don't have a clue. I do it every day. I have Openchat, MR/2 ICE GC> and my FTP server open at the same time normally. Opening Netscape GC> afterwards isn't a problem either. Are all OS/2 readers so naive that they quickly jump at anything I type? (Well, ya.. I used to be one of you) :) What I meant to say was, while NS is loading (i.e. you see it's logo) try to open OpenChat, MR/2 or WordPro.. you can't! One of my biggest petpeeves while running OS/2 for 2.5 years was when I connected to the net, and I double clicked on MR/2 ICE, while it was loading, I couldn't double click on Netscape to load it up. (i.e. while the logo is still showing, not when it's getting the mail from your account already!) That is just one of the side-effects of the single queue! Leon Kiriliuk --- * Origin: The Sight & Sound BBS (416)665-6908 (1:259/532) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100029Date: 05/01/97 From: DARRELL SALTER Time: 01:00am \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Lemming-Ware Greg Cobb wrote in a message to Leon Kiriliuk: GC> Sunday April 27 1997, Leon Kiriliuk babbled to Timothy Piper: -> Oh, and here's another thing you can't do under OS/2.. while my -> Internet dialer is dialing, I double click on Netscape, Pegasis mail, and -> mIRC ALL AT THE SAME TIME. And they all load together at the same time. Too -> bad you can't do that under OS/2! (Or have we forget about the single -> queue problem??) GC> You don't have a clue. I do it every day. I have Openchat, MR/2 GC> ICE and my FTP server open at the same time normally. Opening GC> Netscape afterwards isn't a problem either. I do it too, from a remote OS/2 peer no less, and often the wife and kids are surfing with their machines off the OS/2 proxy server at the same time. The one OS/2 server supplies the Internet to all 5 networked machines at the same time with multiple instances of Browsers, FTP and IRC clients. No problem at all. I'm afraid Leon is taking a beating on this one. :-) Cheers, Darrell darrells@idirect.com Yeah, I'm WARPed! ... I bought you some gift-wrapping paper for a gift. --- * Origin: Sparky's - It's better for us if you don't understand! (1:229/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100030Date: 05/01/97 From: DARRELL SALTER Time: 12:57am \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? Greg Cobb wrote in a message to Quenn Finch: GC> Tuesday April 29 1997, Quenn Finch babbled to Greg Cobb: -> Wrong Greg. It use to be called Qedit at one time. Did you ever read -> about before? GC> I registered Sedit a few years ago. How about you? It is a GC> different program. Figures. Quenn will be left once again to mumble "Your opinion". ;) Cheers, Darrell darrells@idirect.com Yeah, I'm WARPed! ... I CAN'T go to hell, they don't want me. --- * Origin: Sparky's - How come nobody ever wrote a PRO-Windoze tag? (1:229/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100031Date: 04/30/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 06:04pm \/To: ANTHONY TIBBS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? AT> My only fault with Warp is this: It screws up my Windows fonts, and AT> my keyboard tends to freeze up a lot. I can't use Warp for anything Then something was wrong with that installation. It's certainly not normal, or I wouldn't have stayed with OS/2 for the past 3 years. The only reason I use OS/2, is because it works. AT> requiring a lot of typing, because after so long, the keyboard stops AT> functioning. Yet, the mouse still works, and the program is still When did you try this, what version of Warp, and where did you look for help? AT> If there was a fix to this (and a way to get around the Windows AT> fonts being removed/replaced), I'd use Warp for sure. I still have AT> the disks.. If you're truly interested in running it, step on over to the OS/2 echo and explain your problems. Someone there will likely be able to help sort out what the problem is. What do you mean by Windows fonts being removed, btw? From my initial install of OS/2 for Windows on a machine running MS-DOS 6.2 and containing a fresh install of a seldom used Win3.1 to my present Warp 4 installation, I've never noticed any form of problem with Windows fonts. kabrams@erols.com * RM 1.3 03106 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100032Date: 04/30/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 06:14pm \/To: QUENN FINCH (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? QF> I do notice it Jack.......other people do change to another OS. I QF> read that people owning both NT and OS/2 on the same computer. Obviously *some* people change OS's. Otherwise, the entire world would be running Windows, since that's pretty much what gets thrust upon you when you buy a PC anymore, want it or not. Jack's point, however, was that *most* people running Windows, do so because it came on their machine and they know nothing else. For example, out of the 15-20 people I work with, only two aren't running Windows on their home PC (which most of them have). Of those two, one runs OS/2, one owns a MAC. Both of them are engineers and are more interested in computers than your average user. The rest run Windows, primarily because that's what came on their machine when they bought it. Virtually none of them would really know how to install anything else. In fact, if they hadn't been hearing me talk about OS/2, most of them wouldn't be aware of anything else. Most of them couldn't be counted on to reinstall Windows and do it right. They don't have to, it came on their machine and they refer to friends and coworkers (like myself) when there's a problem. Or they take the machine back to the store. QF> Win Fax Pro version 8.0 better. Have you seriously took the time and QF> run Win32s 135 softwares(Win95/NT) Jack? Every experience I've had to date with any version of Win32s has been a definite decrease in system stability. Personally, I try to avoid the stuff as much as possible. BTW, what functionality does Win32s 1.35 provide beyond 1.25? And what apps are taking advantage of it? kabrams@erols.com * RM 1.3 03106 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100033Date: 05/01/97 From: FRANK SEXTON Time: 06:42am \/To: ERIC JONES (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? -=> /* Quoting Eric Jones to David Bowerman */ <=- EJ> Heh, and this is just since I'm using an old version EJ> of OS/2. Does annybody out there know if v4.0 comes EJ> with SUBST? Yeah, it does. HOWEVER you won't find it on the disk as SUBST.EXE. In OS/2 it is an INTERNAL command, not an external command. Just type "HELP SUBST" to find out about it. -Frank (fsexton@xpert.net - http://www.concentric.net/~fsexton) --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 * Origin: Wildcard BBS,Thornton,CO HST/V34+ +1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E5100034Date: 05/01/97 From: FRANK SEXTON Time: 07:32am \/To: ANTHONY TIBBS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? -=> /* Quoting Anthony Tibbs to Kenneth Abrams */ <=- AT> I'd use OS/2 for all of my programming etc. and let AT> the family use DOS/Win3, *IF* OS/2 didn't have that AT> crazy keyboard freezing bug. I had this problem with an old "AT" keyboard I was using. It had a switch on it for XT/AT. After asking some questions I found out that all keyboards are not created equal. In fact, there is wide disparity in keyboard design. Talk about a lack of standards. After updating my systems to new keyboards I no longer had that keyboard problem. Actually, looks like it is the keyboards that are at fault. If you have another keyboard, try switching it with the one on your OS/2 box and see how that works. -Frank (fsexton@xpert.net - http://www.concentric.net/~fsexton) --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 * Origin: Wildcard BBS,Thornton,CO HST/V34+ +1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725)