--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00049Date: 04/27/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 05:30pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Mack Barss to Scott Little ] SL> No doubt you'll again blame this on microsoft, even though they SL> have very little to do with Java - concentrating on ActiveX SL> instead. MB> for Sun to make changes to Java and how MS applications will break. I'm not complaining. The only program from MS that has anything to do with 'JAVA' is MSIE. MS have ActiveX to keep them happy. They don't need to worry about Java. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/2 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00050Date: 04/27/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 05:31pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Mack Barss to Scott Little ] SL> OK. Tell me where 32bit is important in a newsreader. MB> Funny... then why even have a 32bit OS if all your going to do is run MB> 16bit software? 1) The 32bit OS provides much faster access to hardware via 32bit drivers. 2) Quote where I said "I only run 16bit software" 3) A newsreader is hardly a program that needs to be 32bit to be any good. Unless you are getting encoded pornos again, Mack, the messages shouldn't be all that long. If they are, even protected mode/DPMI 16bit DOS apps can handle it. SL> take a long hard look at the real world. Why use 32bit? Just SL> becuase it sounds better? The program (esp. one as simple as a MB> Why run 32bit software... So Scott.. your going to set there an say MB> that a running a 32bit and 16bit applications on a 32bit operating MB> system is not a problem. Funny.. if that was true Microsoft wouldn't MB> be coming out with Win32 and that nice new "Designed for Windows 95 and MB> Windows NT" logo. There is a difference between 32bit operating systems and 32bit text editors. MB> Or how about how even Microsoft has boasted about how much better a MB> 32bit app is over a 16bit app. If it is BIG enough, and COMPLICATED enough, 32bit will most likely be very benificial. But a program that reads text is NOT big, and NOT complicated and does not NEED to be 32bit to be fast and efficient. MB> Tell me Scott... besides Internet Explorer, how many 16bit MB> applications has MS released since releasing Win95. (home market). MSIE is 32bit. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/2 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00051Date: 04/27/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 05:46pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hel [ Quoting Mack Barss to Scott Little ] MB> Scott Little wrote in a message to Mack Barss: MB> No ...most virii expect to be running on a DOS (MS/PC/DR) system. SL> And that implies what? If it's running on an MS-DOS compatible OS, SL> chances are it is also running on a FAT partition. MB> No Scott. See the keywords that you are using "MS-DOS COMPATIBLE". No Mack. I do see the words "MS-DOS COMPATIBLE", but I also see those two letters, "OS" after it. That stands for OPERATING SYSTEM. Windows NT and OS2 are not MSDOS COMPATIBLE OPERATING SYSTEMS. They emulate MSDOS, even run it, but they ARE NOT nativly compatible. MB> Funny, but opening an MS-DOS prompt on Windows NT is "MS-DOS MB> COMPATIBLE" even if the file system is NTFS or HPFS. Or how about a MB> DOS emulation on a MAC that is MS-DOS compatible. Yawn... Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/2 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00052Date: 04/27/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 06:07pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Mack Barss to Rogier Meurs ] MB> You might also want to point out that Forte does not directly support MB> FreeAgent like the do with Agent. You should be used to that, you're an OS2 user. But anyway, I've never needed to call any tech support, and I can usually get by without reading too much of the manual - especially with something as simple as a newsreader. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/2 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00053Date: 04/27/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 06:45pm \/To: DAVE RAYMOND (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting Dave Raymond to Quenn Finch ] DR> ... After seeing Windows, I realized that Bill Gates is an idiot. Bad tagline. After seeing Windows, you should realise Bill Gates is a marketing genius. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/2 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00054Date: 04/27/97 From: MACK BARSS Time: 04:15pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? Scott Little wrote in a message to Eric Jones: SL> I've resorted to just maping it as a network drive. However I had SL> to steal 16meg RAM off the other computer to do it, because Peer SL> and TCP/IP under Connect are so bloated that OS2 goes from smooth SL> operation to not at all, without extra RAM. First off... I was running WarpConnect with only 10meg with Peer and TCP/IP services and didn't have any problems on a 486-DX4 100. But, why would you need TCP/IP fully installed on OS/2 if your are not running TCP/IP across the entire network. If you are only want to be able to connect to the internet all you had to install was the IAK. => Mack <= --- timEd/2 1.10 * Origin: Modem Connections/2 (613) 820-2594 - Nepean, Ont. (1:163/545) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00055Date: 04/27/97 From: MACK BARSS Time: 04:26pm \/To: TIMOTHY PIPER (Read 2 times) Subj: Lemming-Ware Timothy Piper wrote in a message to Scott Little: SL>It not a matter of missing anything, its a matter of what I can SL>borrow off people I know. I'm not going to fork over any money SL>until I find something that actually works. TP> 04-22-97 TP> Borrow? I'll bet if OS/2 software was as readily available for TP> "borrowing" as DOS-Windows apps were, this would be a TP> non-issue for some people. I really don't think ANY commercial TP> applications allow for the try-before-you-buy philosophy. In otherwords ... Scott is a firm believer in piracy. He implied it himself by stating "its a matter of what I can borrow". Well.. you can't borrow Word 7, Office 95/97, Arcada Backup or quite a number of other commerical applications for Windows. => Mack <= --- timEd/2 1.10 * Origin: Modem Connections/2 (613) 820-2594 - Nepean, Ont. (1:163/545) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00056Date: 04/27/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 05:05pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hell Scott Little wrote in a message to Greg Cobb: -> Ring MS and ask them, "can OSR2 be purchased with a new large HDD". GC> Go ahead, I can't afford the cost of the 900 number or service GC> charge GC> (whichever) per hour to ask them this. SL> Then go to a computer shop and ask them. Future Shop and Computer City locally say that the only way they distribute OSR2 is installed on a computer. Might be a difference between Canada and Australia or perhaps just local policy. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00057Date: 04/27/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 05:07pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? Scott Little wrote in a message to Lawrence Lucier: SL> other suggestions were reserving drive letters, making small RAM SL> drives, and then there are the people who want to tell me that SL> assigning a specific letter to a CDROM drive it not a valid problem SL> (!?!?). Personally, I simply use UNC names which makes your point moot. No matter where I'm logged in on the network, the BBS CD-ROMs are \\froghollow\f through \\froghollow\m (yes, under Warp, Windows 95 and Windows NT, it works on the local machine as well, I haven't tested it under DOS or Netware Light). The CDROM drive on the wife's machine is \\w95peer\e and the kids are \\rugrats\e and \\rugrats\f. Works like a charm. No comments on the lack of imagination in computer and domain naming. Of course, if I change the number/type of drives on a system, it does require me to do a bit of editing however that is done by yet another Unix born utility. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4X00058Date: 04/27/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 05:44pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? Scott Little wrote in a message to Greg Cobb: SL> The point I was making about Java is not companies trying to take SL> over it, its that Java cannot take full advantage of non-Java CPUs SL> without using CPU specific code. This code is being added all the SL> time to make it faster on platforms other than JavaCPU. Scott, the only CPUs that I am aware of that are currently available that directly interpret Java bytecodes are Sun's Java chips. *All* other chips require a CPU/OS specific interpreter or compiler. While there is considerable work going on to tweak those interpreters and/or compilers to make them faster, this has diddly squat to do with making Java itself machine specific. Considering that what you are claiming would amount to in-line machine language, could you let us know just which Java implementations allow for such coding? You might want to check into the history of UCSD Pascal. It compiled to a machine independent Pcode which was then interpreted by a machine specific interpreter -- unless you used the Western Digital chip that used UCSD Pcode as it's machine language. Alternatively, take a look at SSS Fortran. It also compiled to an intermediate code which was then executed by a Fortran state machine. The CP/M, Apple and DOS versions ran exactly the same intermediate code though the state machine itself was machine dependent. You could use the compiler on a CP/M system and then run the code on an Apple, IBM PC or Kaypro without missing a beat. SL> It's only called Win97 when people don't know/couldn't be bothered SL> typing out MEMPHIS. Ask MS, they have never heard of Windows 97, SL> Windows 98 or WindowsNinetySomething. Really? All those magazine stories about Win97 didn't exist? Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290)