--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00003Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:25pm \/To: ERIC JONES (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Eric Jones to Scott Little ] SL> You mean like warp3 doesn't even let you choose your own CDROM drive SL> letter? And to make matters worse, it doesn't even come with such a SL> basic command as SUBST to work around it. EJ> Let's see, I run OS/2 v3.0 so let's see what happens when I EJ> open up an OS/2 prompt and type "HELP SUBST" ... Yep, done that. EJ> well, it loaded up the> Command Reference to the section on the SUBST EJ> command. It describes the command (Substitutes a drive letter for [snip] EJ> the page for some exaples, links to the related commands ASSIGN and EJ> JOIN, and a warning about a few commands that don't work on SUBST You'll find SUBST (and probably JOIN as well) only work in the current DOS session. Any new DOS sessions don't see the new drive, and the command can't be used from a OS2 commandline at all. Makes the whole thing totally useless to me. I've resorted to just maping it as a network drive. However I had to steal 16meg RAM off the other computer to do it, because Peer and TCP/IP under Connect are so bloated that OS2 goes from smooth operation to not at all, without extra RAM. EJ> So, just where did you get the idea OS/2 v3.0 doesn't have EJ> SUBST? OS/2's subst is in \MDOS in case you didn't realise. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00004Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:22pm \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hell [ Quoting Greg Cobb to Scott Little ] -> Ring MS and ask them, "can OSR2 be purchased with a new large HDD". GC> Go ahead, I can't afford the cost of the 900 number or service charge GC> (whichever) per hour to ask them this. Then go to a computer shop and ask them. GC> I'm just telling you what I saw. It said plain as day "For GC> Distribution Only With A New PC" The pretty little words on the front aren't the licence. Read INSIDE the packaging. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00005Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:27pm \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Greg Cobb to Scott Little ] -> I said Java is falling apart. And it is. Already there is a LOT of platform -> specific code. MUCH more than was ever intended. The whole concept of ava -> went bust. GC> AFAIK, MS is hte only one who is trying to sidestep Java so they can GC> be the leader and not the follower. You can't help yourself. You are diverting attention away from the issue and putting the attention back onto MS. Don't bother. The point I was making about Java is not companies trying to take over it, ts that Java cannot take full advantage of non-Java CPUs without using CPU specific code. This code is being added all the time to make it faster on platforms other than JavaCPU. -> Urm, it has never been called Win97. GC> yeasureright....Should I get Barney the Insipid ThunderLizard to sing it GC> out to you? It's only called Win97 when people don't know/couldn't be bothered typing out MEMPHIS. Ask MS, they have never heard of Windows 97, Windows 98 or WindowsNinetySomething. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00006Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:29pm \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting Greg Cobb to Scott Little ] -> That only works if the CD drives are consecutive, and I don't have any -> other devices that I want before the CDROM(s). GC> Do you boot from your CD? Nope, my BBS uses it. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00007Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:28pm \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting Greg Cobb to Scott Little ] -> Above is a perfect example of just why I don't use OS/2 for my day-to-day -> use. If I have to go through nine possible backup programs to find one that -> WORKs, let alone one that I like, it's a pretty sad picture. GC> All programs are NOT the same. Make sense yet? Urm, backup programs, at least any decent one, should support several types of backup drives. NovaBack and Arcada support many types. Most of the ones I tried for OS2 didn't support all that many. GC> When 95 first came out what were your alternatives for TBU software? I didn't have a tape drive at that time. What's your point? Are you going to try make an arguement out of not having software for a new OS? -> Since when are TABLEs 'new fangled'? You seem to think 3.2 is leaps and -> bounds ahead of everyone. It's not. WebExplorer and NetScape/2 support he -> majority of HTML3 (and quite a lot of 3.2) tags. It's just that OS2 doesn't -> have anything that can edit the damn things. GC> You're speaking before you think again. Me?! Since you know so much about hypertext, you probably have an internet account. Go have a little surf over to www.w3c.com and have a read. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00008Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:35pm \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 2 times) Subj: Cache Efficiency [ Quoting steve steffler to Scott Little ] SS>> Just where could you get such a thing legally without buying SS>> a new PC with Win95 on it? SL> It can be bought with any major upgrade. ie. a large HDD or SL> motherboard. ss> Well, more power to ya then. At least, more than you had before, but ss> not as much as you COULD have... :) And this contributes to the debate in what way? Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00009Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:37pm \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting steve steffler to Scott Little ] ss> And most of them are also implemented in other applications under ss> OS/2, except they are usually better, faster, more efficient, and I can agree with faster, and more efficient because they dont DO as much. For example, there are some minor features that are handy in a rush, like the short cut for a line rule. Under Word (7 and higher I think) I can type '---' on a blank line and it will automagically expand into a ruled line. Under something like Describe, I would have to start clicking on the pretty little icons to insert one. There are lots of little features like this, that I can live without, but are nice to have anyway. ss> untainted by a Microsoft logo. Thats the type of comment that makes me hate OS2 bigots automatically ss> applications written under DOS 6. As a matter of fact, Windows 3.1 is ss> even capable of running some Win32 software, providing the right ss> drivers are installed. What's your point again? Win3.x does not run ANY Win32 applications AT ALL. Win3.x runs Win32s apps, which is an extension. The difference between Win32 and Win32s is a few thousand API calls. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00010Date: 04/25/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:30pm \/To: GREG COBB (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting Greg Cobb to Lawrence Lucier ] GC> That's not right. :) He said he had spent over 250 hours (I think GC> that's about right) trying to get OS/2 to run and couldn't. Close enough. I said after ~250 hrs, I couldn't get an OS2 setup that came anywhere close to doing the same number of things the Windows system could do. Even with a CD full of shareware, a pile of commercial CDs and disks on loan, and access to hundreds of BBS' and ftp sites with OS2 stuff on it. GC> thing...I had it up and running in just over an hour, including GC> getting the BBS and all up too. I haven't had the first error in any GC> shape or form since. Maybe he was trying to get Win 95 programs to GC> run. :) The BBS was a piece of cake to get up and running. After installing warp3, all I had to do was dump the files over from the other machine, 10 minutes later, BBS runs great. It's back on the Windows machine as I don't have enough HDD space to go around... I'll put it back in a few days when I get another 2.5 gig HDD. It [OS/2] ran just as I expected: it sits in the corner and does whatever, and gathers dust. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00011Date: 04/25/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 07:48pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? SL> People who like to keep maintainance and confusion at a minimum, SL> usually like to have some sort of standard. What does this statement have to do with assigning a drive letter to a particular type of drive? SL> Indirectly. When partitioning a drive, I keep in mind what drives I SL> want to put things. No matter what you keep in mind while partitioning a drive, you have no control over what drive gets what letter. The active primary partition on your first physical drive will be drive C:. Period. You can't change that. You can control which physical drive that is, by the way you set up the master-slave relationships, etc., but you can't change that fact or anything about the remaining sequence in which drive letters are assigned. The only control you have is the number of partitions you create in the first place, and what type they are. By your logic, you could just as easily say you can indirectly control your CD-ROM's drive letter, by creating sufficient hard drive partitions, possibly making some of them HPFS and invisible on a native DOS boot, to make the CD the letter of your choice. For example, I reconfigured my system when I installed Warp 4, repartitioning my first drive to one large partition instead of the three I'd previously had. My CD went from H: to F:. If I'd been anal about keeping it at H:, I could have easily created three HPFS partitions instead of the one I have on my second drive, which would have pushed the CD to H: under OS/2 (which it was already assigned under DOS). However, since I realize that this isn't a problem, I didn't bother worrying about it. SL> All those letters are constant throughout the network. If something SL> is in I:\APPS on one computer, it's in exactly the same place on the Can you at least stay on the subject? Network drive mapping has little to nothing to do with a PC operating system's drive letter assignments. SL> Why do you have this fascination with the word KLUDGE? It's a SL> driver. Call it one. I call it a kludge because that's exactly what it is. MSCDEX doesn't drive any hardware, it's a patch to DOS that allows it to see the driver that's controlling the CD. And I'll call it what I damn well please. SL> specify the syntax, and the other is just SUBST for OS2, which is a SL> stand- alone IFS. Gee, Scotty, last I heard from you there was no such thing as SUBST under OS/2. Is it actually possible for you to ever keep your story straight for more than 3-4 messages in a row? SL> The thing that annoys me is that OS2 has a dialog that presents you SL> with a "list" of drive letters to assign the drive. Yet only the one The thing that annoys me is that you don't have a clue what you're talking about, yet insist on acting as if you do. kabrams@erols.com * RM 1.3 03106 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4W00012Date: 04/25/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 09:10pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? SL> Can I specify the FULL DOS properties of the program I open from the SL> OS2 command line? Can you specify *any* unique DOS properties for *any* DOS session, regardless of method launched, under Windows? kabrams@erols.com * RM 1.3 03106 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10)