--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00003Date: 04/23/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 09:00pm \/To: KENNETH ABRAMS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting KENNETH ABRAMS to SCOTT LITTLE ] KA> As for needing different boxes, that's not entirely true. From an OS/2 KA> command line, I can run just about anything I want. Running a DOS KA> program starts a separate DOS session. Running a Windows session KA> starts a Windows session. OS/2 programs just run. Can I specify the FULL DOS properties of the program I open from the OS2 command line? Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00004Date: 04/24/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 01:35am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: To Linux or not to Linux, that's the que01:35:2704/24/97 [ Quoting Jack Stein to Scott Little ] SL> Let me have fun in the process. Unix is far from what I call SL> a party to use. There is a difference between LIKE USING.., SL> and HAVING FUN USING.. JS> Unix is great fun. Your problem, like most DOS/WIN people, is you JS> don't know how to have fun I'm 17. Redirecting backup jobs to null is not really my idea of a fun morning maintaining a Unix server (unless it is going to cause an enemy some considerable greif). JS> And yes, I've played around enough with your DOS/WIN crap to know how JS> much fun it is, and its really only fun until you know a little bit Ditto with your OS2 crap JS> about what your doing, then it's one funky limitation after another, JS> fun for someone that knows nothing about computing, but it soon gets JS> real old, real fast. re: real old, real fast. Very true. One of the few things that keeps me using Windows is the ability to try the latest software/hardware. Take, for example, MSIE4. It allows me to design a fully customised HTML/JAVA/ActiveX desktop. I can have frames which include live video streams, a web page or two, a couple of ini-desktops etc. etc. all on the one desktop. Fun at first, but once I've done the review, it's history, and I'm back in the DOS box, where I belong. And before you start crapping on about MS and it's tactics and useless bloatware again, let me just tell you that Netscape are also doing the same thing (better, but slower than MSIE4), possibly to be ported to OS2 if it's popular Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00005Date: 04/24/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 01:36am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Jack Stein to Scott Little ] SL> Java is an interplatform reincarnation of C - which is SL> already falling apart. JS> What is falling apart? The concept. Java was designed to have the smallest amount of achine-specific code as possible. Already this is failing, and the CPU specific code is just cropping up left and right. No doubt you'll again blame this on microsoft, even though they have very little to do with Java - concentrating on ActiveX instead. SL> And exactly what's wrong with a company making a standard for SL> it's own products? JS> Thats not a standard, thats proprietary! Depends how you take it. It's a standard design throughout the company. It's just not an industry standard design. JS> Your arguments have been really weak for a good while now Scott, JS> perhaps you need to re-group. Your point is? And how does it contribute to this debate? JS> Making fun of peoples names won't cut it either. As I told him, the moderator and others - when he stops calling me Scotty, I'll stop calling him whatever it was. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00006Date: 04/23/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 09:17pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting Jack Stein to Scott Little ] JB> Because I saw you whining about your problems in the OS/2 echos.. JB> When you don't take anyone's advice, I don't know how you expect to be SL> Gee, I wonder why. JS> Because your a whinner. You did your best to bring the debate echo to JS> the OS/2 echo. I'm not a whinner. I'm a person who is very peeved that a mob of bigots can be so passionatly attracted to a bit of code, and then when a newbie wants help, the best they can do is ____ and ____. I didn't get one good bit of help. The kind of help I was after would have been "these CONFIG.SYS settings might help...". But all I got was "nah, your computer's too slow". FYI: I did not try start anything in OS2 echos. Someone started up with me about OS2 and Windows, and I replied. JS> need. You can't get OS/2 to boot w/o an error, it locks up when you JS> switch windows... No amount of memory will help you. That was one problem that only happened once. I haven't mentioned it since have I? You on the other hand have probably only used Win95 for half an hour, yet continue to regurgitate the same problems you had as though they were an on-going saga. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00007Date: 04/24/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 01:38am \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hell [ Quoting Jack Stein to Scott Little ] SL> A HPFS disk is fragmented permanently, that is how it prevents file SL> fragmentation (by leaving the disk fragmented). JS> You come up with one silly thing after another, don't you? Here's another. 1) Disk Fragmentation: spaces between files on the disk 2) File Fragmentation: spaces between parts of files HPFS does it's best to prevent #2, and the best way to do that it via #1. Well look here! "A HPFS >>DISK<< is fragmented permanently...". Seems I was right, and you can't read. SL> Wrong again, Baustard. JS> Not cute, even for a snot nosed little kid. Byte me. Why has everyone's opinion of me changed since I let on that I was 17? Before then I was making good arguments. Since then, my arguements have "not been upto their previous level". When he.... Stuff it. You should know why I called him that by now. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00008Date: 04/23/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 09:27pm \/To: JACK STEIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Which is the best? [ Quoting Jack Stein to Scott Little ] JS> Considering you have no use for batch files, I'm not surprised. Where did you get that idea? It's both wrong and absurd. JS> however don't have HSTART on my system, and I can open any DOS or OS/2 JS> app from the command line simply by typing its name. Does that include specifying the settings for that new session? Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00009Date: 04/24/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 01:46am \/To: DARRELL SALTER (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Darrell Salter to Scott Little ] DS> Apparently not. Do you know what Java is? Think of ActiveX without DS> monopolistic tendencies. SL> Java is an interplatform reincarnation of C - which is already SL> falling apart. DS> Nonsense. Care to spew the MS propaganda that leads you to make such DS> a claim? I read it in an article about Java and small PCs. Java was designed to have very few CPU-specific components. This feature of it's original design is fading fast. SL> And exactly what's wrong with a company making a SL> standard for it's own products? You don't see Ford and Toyota using SL> the same engines do you? DS> If it only works for that company, how is it a "standard"? Standard: the quality of being constistant. If it's the same for the majority of MS products, it's a MS standard. I never said it was an industry standard. DS> for whom? MS or the consumer? Telling me that it is acceptable MS. I do it myself. I write/am writing around 7 BBS doors, all of which are being written according to the one STANDARD method of doing things. It both makes it easier to program, as well as making my programs have a uniformity about their operation. The only difference between me and MS is that I actually update the standard components. MS just write new stuff over the old. DS> practices, at the expense of consumer freedom to make a CHOICE, also DS> known as monopolistic. It's not monopolistic. Monopolistic is when a company deliberatly sets out to eliminate all competition, using methods that the competition can't work around (ie. by buying them out). MS just say "this is our software. If you don't like it, WE DON'T CARE". DS> MS has been this way all along, and I find the practice despicable. DS> They are attempting to remove your ability to make a CHOICE That's the biggest load of crap I have heard for a week. If they were removing the consumer's ability to make a choice, they would be buying out competition left and right, then merging the old products with the rest of the MS products. Just because MS saturate the market with MS doesn't mean they are forcing anyone to buy the stuff. I don't. DS> inspired by greed. Java is an attempt to allow cross-platform DS> software development so that consumers may have a CHOICE as to which And it is failing! IMHO, Java is a RISC concept, and it can only work on /generic/ RISC based machines. In the CISC universe, decent programs can only be written when using code specifically for that CPU. DS> operating system they may use with a piece of software. This scares DS> the hell out of MS, and rightly so, their operating systems are DS> terrible. I think they are just too lazy. I can fix MS problems in a few hours. All I need to do is grab a blowtorch and eliminate all the old code. MS will just be forced to write the programs properly, rather than insert new code in with the old code over and over. Even with my own programs, it's a big job to write the main parts of it over again, but it's sometimes just the only way to get the job done properly. DS> ActiveX is MS's attempt to restrict such development to DS> work only with MS products. MS consumers are being screwed over by DS> the very company they support. ActiveX is the best way to program for the majority of the world's desktop PCs - which are CISC and run Microsoft OS'. As I said before, Java is esigned for RISC CPUs (even though the design on the 80x86 CPU family allows Java code to run slightly faster than on non-Java specific RISC chips - but it still does not make full use of the CISC CPU). Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00010Date: 04/23/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 09:57pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Which Is The Best? [ Quoting Mack Barss to Scott Little ] MB> FreeAgent is 16bit and can run on OS/2 in a WinOS2 session. You do MB> realize that Forte puts out a 32bit version of their newsreader don't MB> you Scott? They have to make money don't they? MB> Opps.. Agent is not shareware.. it's commerical ware. So.. Forte will MB> give you a stripped down version of Agent and 16bit at that. OK. Tell me where 32bit is important in a newsreader. I think it's time for you to stop reading those tech sheets and take a long hard look at the real world. Why use 32bit? Just becuase it sounds better? The program (esp. one as simple as a newsreader) could quite possibly be just as fast, if not faster, and probably also a fair bit smaller if it was 16bit rather than 32. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00011Date: 04/23/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 10:00pm \/To: MACK BARSS (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hel [ Quoting Mack Barss to Scott Little ] SL> That's kind of what I was implying. Most virii expect to be on FAT, SL> and so expect certain things to be incertain places. Under HPFS, SL> they aren't (which can lead to different problems too). MB> No ...most virii expect to be running on a DOS (MS/PC/DR) system. And that implies what? If it's running on an MS-DOS compatible OS, chances are it is also running on a FAT partition. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E4U00012Date: 04/23/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 10:02pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 2 times) Subj: Microsoft = Security Hell [ Quoting Keith Douglas to Scott Little ] SL> Wrong again, Baustard. It can be sold with any major KD> We don't insult people in here, Scott. I should punt you for this.. [Zone gate never works, so I'll reply here] Notice that I only call him that when he calls me Scotty. I will stop when he does, no sooner. I also fail to see where using a person's name in a debate is necessary. A debate is between two parties. It does not require the names of the individuals within each party. If this was OS-DISCUSSION, then it would be quite acceptable to use names. A discussion is just that, and it's everyone for himself. Just my two cents worth. Regards, - Scott [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMailX 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <61-2-9534-1702> Internet, Fidonet, Battlenet.. 3:712/848)