--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100019Date: 03/01/97 From: MIKE RUSKAI Time: 01:05am \/To: BAS HEIJERMANS (Read 3 times) Subj: Who can answer this? Some senseless babbling from Bas Heijermans to All on 02-28-97 07:40 about Who can answer this?... BH> Dag All! BH> I've bought a new harddisk this week, 4.5 gig to be exact. BH> The following problem rised, I made 1 partition of 500 mb for OS/2 an BH> another partition of 4 gig for data. BH> I found out that most DOS, Win3.x and ported OS/2 programs can't BH> handle free space over 2 gig, so I had to copy 2 CDrom's to the HD in BH> order to get the free space under 2 gig. BH> Non ported OS/2 programs didn't give any problems. BH> I wonder if this problem arises with the VFAT-32 of Win'95 and with BH> WinNT if you use programs that are not used to these circumstances. BH> Can anyone give me a decent answer? I just want to know. It's a matter of how they determine and store the amount of free space. I've got a few DOS apps here that can't determine free space when the *total* drive space is over 2GB. Both apps are written in Pascal, which has no unsigned integers. They try to store the total drive space in a signed 32-bit integer, which maxes out at 2,147,483,648. The bit pattern translates into a negative number in the program, from which is subtracted in-use space. The result is that the app thinks there is *no* free space. If the app only retrieves the amount of free space (I'm not sure how), then it only has to store that, which allows larger drives with less than 2GB of free space. The environment the program is run under is irrelevant. It's strictly an application problem. Mike Ruskai [Team OS/2] thanny@ibm.net ... After seeing Windows I realized Bill Gates is an idiot. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- RG 10-5 Exp/GE 1.02+ * Origin: The Licking Factory, OS/2 in NJ! (908)815-3146 (1:107/634) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100020Date: 02/27/97 From: NAPALM Time: 10:25pm \/To: DAVID BOWERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: OS/2 Support > Scott Little wrote in a message to David Bowerman: > DB> And when did true colour become 32 bits? > SL> That's what Win95 calls it :) > Interesting. I've seen 16.7 million colours referred to as true colour. > Just a second though. Hmmm.... My Computer/Control Panel/Display/Setting. > Pop open the colour pallette... 256 colours, High Colour (16 bit), True > Colour (24 bit), Real Colour (32 bit). It would appear that Windows 95 > does agree with you. This might be a function of the video driver -- I'm > not enthused enough about finding out to pop open the case and swap video > cards. For the bonus points, in high colour mode, how and why are the 16 > bits split amongst the 3 colours? Hmmm... well, the most colours the human eye can see is 16.7 million, but I don't know where that Real colour crap comes from.. (Probably one of those 'simplified' win95 things :) ) cya Eric --- AdeptXBBS v1.07f (Registered) * Origin: The Neutral Zone - (604)498-0271 (1:354/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100021Date: 02/28/97 From: FRANK SEXTON Time: 05:58am \/To: MARK BIRENBAUM (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support -=> /* Quoting Mark Birenbaum to Frank Sexton */ <=- FS> Do you think the Open32 support that you can elect to FS> install in Warp 4.0 may be only for development? FS> Isn't the OS itself automatically Open32 enabled? MB> Maybe he's using an older version of OS/2, such as MB> myself, that doesn't have Open32 support. There are MB> still a heck of a lot of us using pre-FP22 (I think MB> that's where they introduced O32, but if someone can MB> correct me, please do) Warp 3 system. Yeah, turns out he is. -Frank (fsexton@xpert.net - http://www.concentric.net/~fsexton) --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 * Origin: Wildcard BBS,Thornton,CO HST/V34+ +1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100022Date: 02/28/97 From: MODERATOR Time: 08:23am \/To: ROD SAVAGE (Read 3 times) Subj: copyleft? Rod, RS> Of course you and Denis try and spin this into some blanket RS> defense of Bill, since you think that would hurt my credibility RS> here. If I have come to Bill's aid more than anyone else, it is RS> because he has stuck around here longer than any other, and needs RS> it more. Bill and others are NOT the subject of this echo. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... Fer sell cheep: Mikrosift spel chekker. Wurks grate! --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100023Date: 02/28/97 From: MODERATOR Time: 08:24am \/To: DAVID BOWERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: copyleft? David, DB> Really? Is that how you justify your defence of Bill Wolff? Bill is NOT the subject of this echo. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100024Date: 02/28/97 From: MODERATOR Time: 08:46am \/To: C OCTAVA (Read 3 times) Subj: Tired C, CO>> You've thrown insults around more than anyone else in this CO>> conference, trying to justify them because the moderators do CO>> nothing about it. It is not an appropriate debating tactic; CO>> furthermore it is *childish*, which strengthens my argument on CO>> another subject. MM>> We don't talk to people this way, in this echo. CO> Dave, I have taken great care not to insult anybody in this echo, and CO> have still not done so. I see no grounds from your statement. Perhaps CO> you meant to hit the "off-topic" macro instead? The rules clearly state that you should use Netmail for this type of message to me. Consider this your First Warning. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100025Date: 02/28/97 From: MODERATOR Time: 08:49am \/To: ROD SAVAGE (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting sy Rod, SL>>> I wish we had a microsoft programmer. Then he'd be able to tell SL>>> everyone just how Win95 uses 'MSDOS', how it handles it's SL>>> resources etc. etc. RS>> There have been quite a few pass through, and a few good Unix RS>> users too, but after the usual treatement by the Teamsters and RS>> the Moderator, they leave fairly quickly, on thier own or with RS>> some help. Anyone who can argue about the technical details of RS>> OS/2 and Windows is not allowed to remain in this echo for very RS>> long. The pattern is always the same, first the mail bombing, RS>> many people wanting to debate just about anything the person RS>> says, wearing the person down with all the replies he has to RS>> write. Then the flames start, which pass without comment from RS>> the moderators, and when the person gets annoyed with all this, RS>> and makes a few comments back, the moderator can step in and give RS>> his three strikes or annoy the person so much they leave. As you RS>> may be realizing, they have been working on you for a while and I RS>> think you have just about run the course here, when are you RS>> leaving, or are you going to leave that to the moderator to RS>> decide? There is a third alturnative, but while you are smart RS>> and quite knowlegable, you are not up to the expert level of RS>> Denis Tonn, and you need to know how to survive here. I'll be RS>> happy to tell you, if you survive the next little while. RS>> I used to get a bit bothered by this sort of thing, now I am RS>> amused. I have come to the conclusion that this echo is RS>> irrelevant now anyways. Mo>> Then you won't miss it during your 30 day vacation, Mo>> which is effective immediately, through 3/24/97. RS> Not a bit. See you later Dave. BTW, thanks for proving RS> my points for me. You can now make that suspension indefinite. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... Any problem can be solved by shooting the right person. --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100026Date: 02/27/97 From: RICH VERAA Time: 04:15pm \/To: ROD SAVAGE (Read 3 times) Subj: copyleft? In a message to David Bowerman Rod Savage wrote: RS> I was taking OS/2 and Windows users as a whole, not pointing to RS> individual examples. Try and forget Bill for a while, and look at RS> the big picture. There are 10 to 1 Windows users vs OS/2 users in RS> the real world, yet in this echo there are something like 10 to 1 RS> OS/2 users vs Windows users. Whatever the exact figures may be, RS> there is -clearly- a big difference. Why is that? Because an echo called OS-DEBATE naturally attracts participants who are interested in operating systems. And people who are interested in operating systems generally take the trouble to learn about them. And people who know about operating systems tend to prefer superior ones. RS> And which group of user is -infamous- for being stridently vocal RS> about thier OS. Bill Wolff, Tommy Usher, Scott Young, Rod Savage... Cheers, Rich http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/ * Origin: Man is a bird without feathers -- Plato (1:135/907) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100027Date: 02/20/97 From: ADAM FITZPATRICK Time: 04:14am \/To: C OCTAVA (Read 3 times) Subj: Win No Operating Syst Quoting C Octava to Adam Fitzpatrick: AF>What do you mean by your "system can only take Warp 3"? The system AF>requirements for Warp 4 aren't different unless you use the new AF>features that didn't exist in version 3. CO>Sheesh, then why would anybody upgrade to Warp 4.0, if not to use the CO>new features?! That's one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard! Obviously Bill Wolff's on your twit list then. To be serious for a moment, you've taken the quote out of context. SL said that he chose to evaluate Warp 3 because he didn't think his system could handle version 4. He *wasn't* considering upgrading, since he wasn't already a Warp user - I never said that an existing Warp user should upgrade if they don't want the extra features. ... Where would you like Windows to crash today? --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Stormblade BBS +61-2-9545-4371 (3:712/320) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100028Date: 02/20/97 From: ADAM FITZPATRICK Time: 11:58am \/To: ELLIOTT GOODMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: In a Family Way... Quoting Elliott Goodman to Denis Tonn: DT>It has been "due" for a rewrite for a long time now. The biggest DT>problem with CHKDSK is that it is a "family mode" app and runs in DT>both Dos and OS/2 (for FAT partitions only). Family mode is only DT>available to 16 bit OS/2 apps. To rewrite it in 32 bit will remove the DT>capability to run it under Dos (no great loss as far as I am DT>concerned). EG>Re: chkdsk, you mean that I can run chkdsk when I boot from DOS? From OS/2 VDMs. EG>Why ever would I want to do that? Good question. Well, uhhh, there's a surprising number of DOS games that suggest running CHKDSK to find out how much free memory you've got. :) ... All those who believe in telekinesis - raise my right hand. --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 [NR] * Origin: Stormblade BBS +61-2-9545-4371 (3:712/320)