--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100009Date: 02/26/97 From: LAWRENCE LUCIER Time: 10:21pm \/To: LYNN NASH (Read 3 times) Subj: Tired Howdy Lynn......... LN> which led to the launch pad and Warp center. Any menu in OS/2 can LN> be a cascading menu with default options. The right button click LN> cascades. If you are interested on how it is done simply ask, I LN> am more than glad to help you. Keep in mind that I don't Wouldn't mind trying this out, Lynn.........could you please post details (either here or the OS2 echo if more applicable). Thanks......... --- Sqed/32 1.13b2/r15155 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS - (250)748-3408 v32b v42b XA CM (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100010Date: 02/25/97 From: LAWRENCE LUCIER Time: 11:46am \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting system SL>> for my BBS objects and FREEZE. How can a stable OS SL>> possibly freeze by openi SL> Close enough :) Point being, OS2 stuffed up. Point being nothing! Honestly now Scott, put yourself in the position of having someone come to you asking advice on why their particular OS was flakey and discovering that their computer was (due to their or someones elses ineptitude) running out of tolerance hardware, such as mismatched memory chips or say........overclocking the CPU? Remember please, HONESTLY now, would you as a reputable and honest support/service computer technician totally disregard this information? Would you as a reputable and honest support/service technician faced with these FACTS immediately jump to the conclusion that the OS was at fault? Let's put this another way...........you are responsible for servicing a companies networking setup and you have things working just fine until..........the local know-it all office "guru" comes along complaining that his station is locking up all the time. Further exploration on your part discovers that this yahoo has taken it upon himself to overclock the CPU (this station was experiencing minimal problems before the overclocking was implemented).............now which area of the computing enviroment are you going to investigate first, HONESTLY now, the OS or the hardware? How about taking into consideration the situation of where you, acting on the owner of the company instructions based on your advice, have overclocked all the departments computers. S/he now wants to upgrade to an OS that s/he feels would better service their needs (after doing research on comparable systems as to what the office is currently operating)..........only you find out that the OS won't run that particular OS on the overclocked systems but it does just fine when the machines are run within rated tolerances. Again, honestly now, which particular part of the computing enviroment is at fault here and whose judgement is in error if pertainent FACTS are ignored? MS>> I don't think I will be offering you any more ideas or aid in MS>> the future. SL> Fine, don't. I didn't ask for any, remember? Yes but you did ask for help in the Fidonet OS2 support area and sluffed off most of the information you received............here again is another person obviously willing to take the time to help you but you can't be bothered because it's all part and parcal of your "they might win the argument" attitiude. MS>> works. With an attitude like yours it is surprising anyone even MS>> bothers to try to help you. SL> I don't want help. This is a debate echo, no a damn tech support SL> echo. Then please follow your own advice regarding posting in the appropriate echo, Scott........the Fidonet OS/2 support echo doesn't qualify as a OS debate echo either! Your posts in the Fidonet OS/2 support echo come across as totally argumentative, IMHO, rather than making honest enquires about problems you are experiencing or supporting others who are experiencing difficulties..........just another example of your " they might win the argument and under no circumstances can I let that happen!" attitude which you have so proudly declared on several occasions now. Alas, from what I have read from your posts so far, you're not scoring any points with this kind of attitude plus you are probably doing yourself a big disservice by not taking a HONEST approach to your explorations concerning various OS's. Not only that but I also feel you are doing a great disservice to the people who have tried to help you......let's hope you have a little more maturity on your side once you have to start dealing with the " local office guru who knows it all" on a consistent basis. --- Sqed/32 1.13b2/r15155 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS - (250)748-3408 v32b v42b XA CM (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100011Date: 02/27/97 From: KYLE HEARN Time: 07:47am \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 3 times) Subj: buggy macs Steve Steffler wrote in a message to Kyle Hearn: SS> Woo, you got yourself a pretty nice sounding machine. SS> Solaris eh? How much does something like that cost SS> nowadays? sparcs come with a license for it. new media costs $99. I use it for a webserver and so have the server version with all the bells and whistles, and the license for that is $1295 retail. You can find it much cheaper in comp.sun.wanted though :-p I still havent rebooted the thing since i put a 2kwatt ups under it. they use error correcting memory and are _very_ stable. Now if I could only afford the 64cpu ultra enterprise 10000 --- * Origin: Point well taken. (1:130/911.1008) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100012Date: 02/27/97 From: PETER MCNEILL Time: 01:12pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support Hello Scott! Saturday February 22 1997 02:48, Scott Little wrote to David Bowerman: SL> Original message: DD>> Video card in this machine is a Mach64 with 2mb of VRAM on the DD>> card, and it's working fine in 1024x768x16m colors (WinOS/2 DD>> also). SL> It wasn't you (I misread the quotes, DD and DB), but DD tried to pull SL> off a little white one - that colour depth at that resolution is not SL> possible with that amount of RAM. Seems he's exaggerating to make OS2 SL> look better (and lord know it needs it :) Says who? You? Right now I'm running at 1152x864x16m with only 2 meg on my Stealth 3D. I suggest you check the tables for any modern 2meg video card. If you can't get 1024x768x16m then you've been ripped off. ... "Bother" said Pooh, and hid Piglet's corpse. --- GoldED 2.51.A1026+ * Origin: If you want my address, it's #1 at the end of the bar. (1:244/116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100013Date: 02/27/97 From: PETER MCNEILL Time: 02:07pm \/To: ELLIOTT GOODMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Speed vs Reliability Hello Elliott! Monday February 24 1997 18:03, Elliott Goodman wrote to Peter McNeill: PM>> Games are the last thing I run in Win95. I really don't see PM>> what the attraction is in the "my OS is better than you OS" PM>> tirades. It's rather infantile. I liked OS/2 but since software PM>> I depend on for business like Photoshop (which Adobe cleary PM>> states it won't run under and that they have no intention of PM>> making a version that will) won't run under OS/2 the point is PM>> moot for me in what OS I run. EG> Sure, makes sense to me. If you have a working solution, it doesn't EG> make sense for you to spend money playing around. However, if you're EG> disatisfied with your current system, then you could ask around about EG> OS/2 versions. I believe I've heard of good OS/2 graphics packages EG> but since I don't use them, can't be more specific than that. I'm sure OS/2 must have some graphic packages. However, all design houses mostly use Photoshop and the files are interchangable between the PC and MAC versions (along with Illustrator) so I don't need a MAC. EG> As to "my OS is better than your OS," just unsupported statements EG> like that don't accomplish much. When we compare features, it makes a EG> bit more sense but if even that doesn't attract you, you're in the EG> wrong echo! It's not that I'm not interested. I wouldn't carry the echo if I wasn't. I'm interested in the comparisions, just not interested in the comparasions as an excuse to rant an' rave that one OS is the best and the other sucks. They oth have their drawbacks and strong points. If I wasn't in graphic design and if didn't care about upgrading my WP/Spreadsheet/Database software to the 32bit versions, I'd probably be still running OS/2. I like W95 but I'll admit OS/2 is a fair bit more stable. ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. --- GoldED 2.51.A1026+ * Origin: If you want my address, it's #1 at the end of the bar. (1:244/116) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100014Date: 02/28/97 From: LEON KIRILIUK Time: 11:25am \/To: BAS HEIJERMANS (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Who can answer this? BH> I wonder if this problem arises with the VFAT-32 of Win'95 and with BH> WinNT if you use programs that are not used to these circumstances. BH> Can anyone give me a decent answer? I just want to know. Unless you are using HPFS or NTFS, I will continue on chopping that 4GB partition down... You are probably lossing about 500MB because of cluster sizes! My suggestion : keep on chopping... (650MB partitions are OK...) 1 - OS/2 2 - DATA 3 - Games 4 - OLD DATA etc.. etc.. I have a 1.2 gig hd split 600/600! Leon Kiriliuk --- * Origin: The Sight & Sound BBS (416)665-6908 (1:259/532) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100015Date: 02/28/97 From: C OCTAVA Time: 06:38pm \/To: FRANK SEXTON (Read 3 times) Subj: WinModems On 02-27-97, Frank Sexton said to C Octava: CO> Who knows, maybe the advanced OSes expect the modem to CO> do its job and not have to do it instead. The WinModem CO> isn't "half" software, like the AWE64 is, its ALL CO> software. You might as well download a modem. :) FS>Cool :-) That's funny. Download a modem :-)! Not only is it funny, but it is also true: if you download the (upcoming) x2 56KBPS upgrade for the WinModem, you *are* downloading the contents of the WinModem. Motorola has a similar product. How's THAT for ironics?! ;) BTW, there ARE advantages to having a WinModem-type device. One is obvious nd which I have already stated: (almost) unlimited upgrades, assuming that the "mo dem" will continue to go faster. Since it is a virtual modem (and thus as a virtual COM port and UART), there is no such thing as a serial port, UART buffer (FIFO), or BPS rate limit. Of course the disadvantages are processor time and memory being taken away from other processes (software wavetable synthesizers are an ever bigger problem). Worse still, none of these products will run under OS/2 nor Win NT, at least, at the moment. When will these guys come out with something that *doesn't* need Ring 0? Kroagnon, internet: kroagnon@starnetinc.com ___ *Durango b197 #NR* DurangoMail for Windows NT/95 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100016Date: 02/28/97 From: C OCTAVA Time: 06:29pm \/To: MARK BIRENBAUM (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support On 02-26-97, Mark Birenbaum said to Frank Sexton: FS> Do you think the Open32 support that you can elect to FS> install in Warp 4.0 may be only for development? Isn't the FS> OS itself automatically Open32 enabled? MB>Maybe he's using an older version of OS/2, such as MB>myself, that doesn't have Open32 support. There are still MB>a heck of a lot of us using pre-FP22 (I think that's where MB>they introduced O32, but if someone can correct me, please MB>do) Warp 3 system. I am running OS/2 Warp Connect 3.0, no revisions, no FixPacks, nothing. Just Connect 3.0. Kroagnon, internet: kroagnon@starnetinc.com ___ *Durango b197 #NR* DurangoMail for Windows NT/95 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100017Date: 02/28/97 From: C OCTAVA Time: 06:36pm \/To: BAS HEIJERMANS (Read 3 times) Subj: Who can answer this? On 02-26-97, Bas Heijermans said to All: BH>I've bought a new harddisk this week, 4.5 gig to be exact. BH>The following problem rised, I made 1 partition of 500 mb BH>for OS/2 an another partition of 4 gig for data. BH>I found out that most DOS, Win3.x and ported OS/2 programs BH>can't handle free space over 2 gig, so I had to copy 2 BH>CDrom's to the HD in order to get the free space under 2 BH>gig. BH>Non ported OS/2 programs didn't give any problems. BH>I wonder if this problem arises with the VFAT-32 of Win'95 and with WinNT BH>if you use programs that are not used to these circumstances. BH>Can anyone give me a decent answer? I just want to know. Sure. FAT32 doesn't have a problem with your drive, but your regular supported-by-all-operating systems FAT16 can't create a partition over 2GB. For a big 4GB partition you would need to format it either NTFS, HPFS, or FAT32. There is a problem with partition size, not free space (IE: you can't create partition over 2GB). Also, there's no such thing as "VFAT-32", and you're not running FAT32 (since you can access the drive under OS/2.) Kroagnon, internet: kroagnon@starnetinc.com ___ *Durango b197 #NR* DurangoMail for Windows NT/95 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E3100018Date: 02/28/97 From: C OCTAVA Time: 09:11pm \/To: MIKE RUSKAI (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: WIN NO OPERARTING SY On 02-27-97, Mike Ruskai said to C Octava: MR>It's really only on a stand-alone system that is not over-committed that a MR>dynamic cache seems to work well. At least, as implemented by Microsoft MR>in Windows NT. A sufficiently intelligent algorithm should be able to MR>adapt, but I haven't seen evidence to suggest that NT is at that level. CO> There's a persistent rumor that the Windows NT file cache has a bug CO> (surprise). Apparently it will not release memory assigned to the CO> cache if a file is not closed properly. Perhaps this is the problem you CO> have experienced. MR>I believe I know to what you are referring, and it's not a rumour - it's a MR>fact. That is a specific bug, and not directly related to how well NT MR>handles the contention between program virtual memory and disk cache. Is this documented AS a fact? I have seen no official information. MR>I will, however, entertain the idea of a unified cache. CO> Which OS/2 does not have. I assume that NT's file cache covers all CO> installable file systems as a whole. MR>I don't have any sort of experience with how well NT allocates cache MR>memory to the different file systems, but this is also an important issue. CO> It does, apparently. MR>Your response doesn't fit the comment. I know that NT has a unified MR>cache, but I don't know how *well* it implements it. Neither do I, and I'd like to test it against the independant FAT/HPFS/CDIFS/NFS cache in OS/2. I'm not sure as how to go about it, though. Kroagnon, internet: kroagnon@starnetinc.com ___ *Durango b197 #NR* DurangoMail for Windows NT/95 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000)