--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00100Date: 02/23/97 From: FRANK SEXTON Time: 06:23pm \/To: C OCTAVA (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support -=> /* Quoting C Octava to Rogier Meurs */ <=- CO> It sure looks and feels like an Open32 port, but the CO> fact that it runs on OS/2 systems that do not have CO> Open32 support installed (such as my own) would CO> disprove this theory. I have read no information other CO> than in this echo, myself. Do you think the Open32 support that you can elect to install in Warp 4.0 may be only for development? Isn't the OS itself automatically Open32 enabled? -Frank (fsexton@xpert.net - http://www.concentric.net/~fsexton) --- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 * Origin: Wildcard BBS,Thornton,CO HST/V34+ +1-303-252-0491 (1:104/725) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00101Date: 02/24/97 From: LYNN NASH Time: 01:58pm \/To: ROGIER MEURS (Read 3 times) Subj: Tired AF> In what way is the WPS annoying? RM>A little example: having to click somewhere on the desktop after RM>renaming an object instead of just do an [ENTER]. :-) That is not annoying, that is the way it works. {ENTER} works just like it would in an editor, it creates a new line. Objects on the desktop can have multiple line names. Try pressing Esc instead if you don't want to use the mouse. The WPS may have some annoyances but that should not one of them. I would say that function is working as most would expect, or would you suggest something like Ctrl-R as a better choice for a new line? Hmmm, PM-Edlin for the WPS :-) --Lynn * SLMR 2.1a * A dry sense of humor is better than slobbering everywhere --- DB 1.39/004485 * Origin: The Diamond Bar BBS, San Dimas CA, 909-599-2088 (1:218/1001) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00102Date: 02/24/97 From: LYNN NASH Time: 01:58pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: Tired SL>Windows: right click. Everything is there. It can be customized too (it's SL>a little more difficult than adding an icon to the template folder) but much SL>faster and simpler. I prefer to have things on my right menu also. OS/2 has always provided this option since 2.0 but most people never used it which led to the launch pad and Warp center. Any menu in OS/2 can be a cascading menu with default options. The right button click menu while the cursor in on the desktop can have all sorts of things added to it. Your were using Warp 3 so your right click desktop menu ended at Find Select Sort Arrange Mine continues on with Utilites -> This leads to a cascade of my most used utilites Listers -> This leads to file viewers, zip tools, MrfilePM etc. Editors -> This leads to program editors, Word processors etc Compilers -> Real work and databases OS/2 Window OS/2 command window OS/2 Fullscreen OS/2 full screen Program Manager Windows 3.1 full screen DOS Window DOS command window DOS 5.0 VMB A copy of MS-DOS 5.0 I haven't found any limit to the cascade other than screen real estate. You have the option of assigning a default function at each step if you click on the menu text indicated by the arrow being an arrow on a button instead of just an arrow symbol on the menu background. The menu is very easy to extend because each item is created by the normal objects that you would click on in the folders that you complain about. They get on the menu with simple drag and drop and are the equivalent of text versions of desktop shadows. I must have over 50 items on the first four cascades. If you are interested on how it is done simply ask, I am more than glad to help you. Keep in mind that I don't participate in the frivolous "your babies ugly" debates. If that is what you are after then don't bother. Knowledge for knowledge's sake is more my stick. --Lynn * SLMR 2.1a * When the world gives you lemmings, make lemmingaide -B.G. --- DB 1.39/004485 * Origin: The Diamond Bar BBS, San Dimas CA, 909-599-2088 (1:218/1001) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00103Date: 02/24/97 From: ELLIOTT GOODMAN Time: 09:52pm \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 3 times) Subj: Enough! -=> Quoting Keith Douglas to All on 21 Feb 97 10:22:00 <=- KD> All this talk about whether or not Win95 and OS/2 can boot from KD> certain partitions, etc. is making me annoyed. it doesn't seem to be KD> going anywhere. Rule 21, Keith: who won? -Elliott Internet: sysop@miles.tbie.hms.com, elliottg@juno.com, elliottg@qnet.com Written on Monday, 24 Feb 1997 ... The cost of feathers has risen. Now even down is up. --- LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.40pl59+ * Origin: Miles Enterprises * 33.6k * 805-264-0200 * (1:2004/102.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00104Date: 02/25/97 From: ELLIOTT GOODMAN Time: 12:08am \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: Lemming-Ware -=> Quoting Scott Little to Elliott Goodman on 23 Feb 97 15:04:38 <=- SL> Finally someone realises this... 10 points How many do I need? SL> No... however, while your applications may get the job done, mine are SL> prettier, more fun and have more features (usually) :) That's okay, Scott. I'll skip the glitz and sound and just get the job done. If I don't need the extra features, why should I pay for them? Or suffer thru the upgrades? Or suffer thru Win95 just to run them? No matter: we're both happy with what we're running and that's what counts. My OS/2 BBS is stable so I've resisted playing with the beta upgrade. I'm not even sure I'm getting much benefit from upgrading OS/2 to Warp 4 but it's stable too so I'm not about to downgrade and the hardware can handle it so I'll leave well enough alone. Ta -Elliott Internet: sysop@miles.tbie.hms.com, elliottg@juno.com, elliottg@qnet.com Written on Monday, 24 Feb 1997 ... I'd love to but I have to go to court for kitty littering. --- LoraBBS-OS/2 v2.40pl59+ * Origin: Miles Enterprises * 33.6k * 805-264-0200 * (1:2004/102.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00105Date: 02/24/97 From: JEFF DUNLOP Time: 05:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Memory-sucking Black Hole From the 2/24 Infoworld Loose Cables - Test Center: "We've got an NT Workstation machine that needs to run Excel, Word, Lotus Notes Client, and Netscape Navigator simultaneously. Not too much to ask, you'd think, for a machine configured with 48MB of RAM and a 96MB swap file. Wrong. The thing was swapping hideously the entire time we were using it. We changed the swap file to 32MB -- giving us a total of 80MB of RAM -- and were a little surprised not to be able to even run all four applications at once without constant low-memory warnings. Who would have thought that 80MB just wouldn't be enough these days? What's worse, it's next to impossible to tell how much memory is being used by what." Jeff --- GoldED/2 2.42.G0615 * Origin: DB/Soft Online - Sacramento, CA (916)927-2349 (1:203/16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2U00106Date: 02/24/97 From: JEFF DUNLOP Time: 05:27pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Windows 95 duplicate DLLs From the 2/24 Infoworld Window Manager by Brian Livingston: "Many inexplicable Windows 95 crashes -- some say most crashes -- are due to differeing versions of DLL files installed by different applications. ... Older DLLs loaded by applications can prevent a new DLL with the same name from being loaded later. ... The Microsoft applications Office 4.x, Word 6.0, Exel 5.0, PowerPoint 4.0, Project 4.0, and Visual FoxPro 3.0 -- unbelievably -- require older versions of some Microsoft DLLs and won't work with newer versions. If you are running these Microsoft applications, there is no good solution. Similarly, some applications require BWCC.DLL 2.0, whereas others require 1.x." Jeff --- GoldED/2 2.42.G0615 * Origin: DB/Soft Online - Sacramento, CA (916)927-2349 (1:203/16) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2V00000Date: 02/22/97 From: DAVE RAYMOND Time: 10:54am \/To: ALEX STUART (Read 3 times) Subj: copyleft? Alex, DB>> Indeed. They could have called it anything they want. The DB>> embedded copyright strings would appear to indicate that Microsoft DB>> considered IO.SYS to implement MS-DOS version 7. AS> It would appear to indicate that they chose to call 'it' MS-DOS v.7. AS> That has nothing whatever to do with whether 'it' is functionally AS> equivalent to MS-DOS 5.0 or 6.0 or whatever. It does have to do with the fact that it is "MS-DOS". DB>> Not quite right, Alex. What I have claimed is that Windows 95 DB>> boots in the same sequence as does Windows 3.x -- DOS is first DB>> loaded and then the GUI is loaded. After the GUI is loaded, the DB>> DOS code is maintained and used by the GUI for some purposes. AS> A computer running Win95 boots in real mode, as does the same AS> computer running OS/2. Do you mean by "the DOS code is maintained and AS> used" that the DOS code running in real mode? If not, and I gather AS> not, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'DOS code'. Introducing AS> functional equivalence is, of course, a bit of a wild card. I get a kick out of watching Win95 users try to explain away DOS. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... How do you make Windows faster? Throw it harder! --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2V00001Date: 02/22/97 From: DAVE RAYMOND Time: 10:56am \/To: ALEX STUART (Read 3 times) Subj: Win No Operating Syst Alex, DT>> This is where you go off track. BootManager is *NOT* "OS/2". It is DT>> not an "operating system" at all. It is a boot utility. You don't DT>> even need to purchase OS/2 to obtain it (it comes with DT>> Partition Magic also). AS> I didn't say BootManager was OS/2. But it seems to me you're AS> missing the point. Whether the system loads Win95 or OS/2, the AS> computer will be critically dependent on a primary partition that can AS> be as small as 1MB. Neither OS/2 or Win95 will load without the AS> presence of that partition, and without it OS/2 won't ever 'boot' in AS> the looser sense of 'boot'. Win95 sticks stuff that will be called AS> sytem files in that minimally 1MB partition and if you are using AS> bootmanager or the like you can argue that OS/2 doesn't, but that's AS> all that I said above. OS/2 remains critically dependent on the AS> existence and validity of the contents of a 1MB primary partition if AS> it loads from any partition that will end up being assigned a drive AS> letter other than C:. The thing that you're missing here, is that Boot Manager can be at the END of the free space, after you have made your other partitions. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... Notice: Your copy of Win95 has expired! Please obtain next version! --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2V00002Date: 02/22/97 From: DAVE RAYMOND Time: 11:00am \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: THE STATE OF THIS CONFERE Scott, SL> "Windows' OS/2 support is pathetic". This is because Windows (non-NT) SL> has none, and doesn't need it. Windows can survive on it's own without SL> stealing other companies' thunder. SL> OS/2 on the other hand can't (or at least couldn't in the beginning) SL> survive without supporting operating systems they didn't even produce SL> anymore. You mean the same way that NT will run OS/2 apps, right? Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... What if there were no hypothetical situations? --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12)