--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00278Date: 02/22/97 From: GLENN GEORGE Time: 05:52pm \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 3 times) Subj: UPGRADING OS/2 3 TO 4 Quoting Bill Wolff on 02-17-1997; BW> GG> Your arguments are baseless and only point out how your BW> GG> incompetance gets in the way of your abiltiy to set up a BW> GG> computer system. BW> BW> Here's a good starting place. Now tell us how I am BW> incompetent? And please go into details, so I can show all how BW> much FUD you use. Go for it Glenn. I'm all game. For starters; You made the incorrect statement that OS/2 couldn't be installed on a system with Win95 on a single partition without destroying the Win95 install. Your incompetance prevents you from remembering about Partition Magic, despite its being mentioned to you many times over. There are countless examples of your incompetance such as the above but it's not worth the time to waste on you and your inane comments. * KWQ/2 1.2i * OS/2: Flipping the Merlin at Bill & his Windos. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/10 * Origin: Inn on The Park (tm) Scottsdale, AZ (602)947-3896 (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00279Date: 02/22/97 From: GLENN GEORGE Time: 05:52pm \/To: ALEX STUART (Read 3 times) Subj: Win No Operating Syst Quoting Alex Stuart on 02-18-1997; AS> I didn't say BootManager was OS/2. But it seems to me AS> you're missing the point. Whether the system loads Win95 or AS> OS/2, the computer will be critically dependent on a primary AS> partition that can be as small as 1MB. Neither OS/2 or Win95 AS> will load without the presence of that partition, and without AS> it OS/2 won't ever 'boot' in the looser sense of 'boot'. Win95 AS> sticks stuff that will be called sytem files in that minimally AS> 1MB partition and if you are using bootmanager or the like you AS> can argue that OS/2 doesn't, but that's all that I said above. AS> OS/2 remains critically dependent on the existence and AS> validity of the contents of a 1MB primary partition if it loads AS> from any partition that will end up being assigned a drive AS> letter other than C:. You should be embarrassed with yourself by now. First of all, OS/2 does not depend on the Boot Manager to boot to drives other than the C drive. Secondly, Win95 does depend on having its critical files on the C drive. This alone limits Win95 to only one install of Win95 on a system, whereas OS/2 can have several. * KWQ/2 1.2i * OS/2: Flipping the Merlin at Bill & his Windos. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/10 * Origin: Inn on The Park (tm) Scottsdale, AZ (602)947-3896 (1:114/237) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00280Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:31am \/To: DENIS TONN (Read 3 times) Subj: Win No Operarting System [ Quoting Denis Tonn to Scott Little ] DT> You are starting to sound more and more like Bill Wolff. Well, it's about 1am.. it's not my fault DT> If I "take quotes out of context and mix them up" then you should DT> be able to prove it easily. I've set my system to save OS_DEBATE messages for two months. I'll be able to check old messages now (not because of you BTW). DT> I personally don't feel that I am any "smarter", but I do feel that I DT> have been around the industry longer than you and have a larger fund DT> of knowledge at my disposal I'd say so. While I'm quite inteligent, you've probably been alive at least twice as long as me (I'm 17, but that should be irrelevant - stick to debating my words, not to resorting to the urge to say i'm only 17, what would I know). DT> younger mind can learn faster I'll say. 1990 - didn't know anything about computers except a few BASIC commands on a VIC20. 1996 - I killed the rest of the school in 2unit and 3unit computers :) I was into electronics before that. I always amazed the teachers in 2nd/3rd grade with cordless microphones and other little devices. Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00281Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:48am \/To: DAVID BOWERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support [ Quoting David Bowerman to Scott Little ] SL> Sorry, I was thinking of true colour (what I'm using), which is SL> 32bit. But anyway, you were still trying to pull off a little white SL> one. You're using .25 of a meg more memory than you have on the SL> card. DB> And when did true colour become 32 bits? That's what Win95 calls it :) DB> Hmmm... I knew there was a reason that I included the .25MB. Original message: DD> Video card in this machine is a Mach64 with 2mb of VRAM on the card, DD> and it's working fine in 1024x768x16m colors (WinOS/2 also). It wasn't you (I misread the quotes, DD and DB), but DD tried to pull off a little white one - that colour depth at that resolution is not possible with that amount of RAM. Seems he's exaggerating to make OS2 look better (and lord know it needs it :) Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00282Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:53am \/To: DAVID BOWERMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Win No Operating System [ Quoting David Bowerman to Scott Little ] DB> Pretty simple -- 512 bytes for the node and 512 bytes for each data DB> granule. SL> Where does it store file locations? DB> What do you think is stored in the 512 bytes allocated to the node? The filename and EAs? HPFS stores in bands, unless there is some sort of index to these bands, the system must check each band for the file it's looking for. DB> Scott, perhaps you should sit down with a good book or three and learn DB> a bit. I really don't think that this echo is the appropriate place DB> for "elementary file system design 101". Simple fact is, I can't write a filename + EAs + file data in the middle of the disk and expect the computer to be able to find it unless there is an index of some sort to tell me WHERE that band/filedata is. Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00283Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 02:56am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting system [ Quoting Keith Douglas to Scott Little ] SL> SL> is no reason a Mac user would want to call my board rather SL> KD> Maybe they want to participate in FIDOnet SL> Yeah, like I'm the only person that carrys fidonet. KD> What does this say? Nothing. It says that nobody needs to call my BBS to get Fido. A Mac specific BBS would carry them. SL> Mac software? KD> In case you didn't realize from all this, why call BBSes just for KD> software? And besides, some software (say things like CinePak QT KD> movies, SoundTracker files, etc.) is cross platform. Don't carry much music/video. KD> I have personally had a 8 item AppleTalk network. I unplugged one KD> system. Does anything happen to the others? No. I am referring to coax networks. Coax networks have terminators. I specifically told you to remove the terminator and see what happens. You replied that AppleTalk is autoterminating (or something like that). Where don't you follow this? Coax is (technically) one wire. It goes down one way, into the terminator, and then back the other way. Without the terminator the wire is broken and the signal cannot go back. It's simple electronics. SL> KD> You just said it was 'hours'. THat's foolish. SL> That's called exaggeration. There aren't many mac SL> technicians since most of KD> Well, don't exaggerate. It makes it difficult to understand your KD> anecdotes.. Ok, they waited about an hour for a techie to show up, and then another .5 to 1 hour for the techie to run back to his office, grab the stuff he needed (and probably read the manual while he was there - it took him too long) and get back and fix the culprit computer. Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00284Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:02am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting system [ Quoting Keith Douglas to Scott Little ] SL> computer system. If I learned it, I could install & remove SL> software, hardware, SL> drivers, operating systems, edit system files, reorganise my SL> HDD etc. If I KD> Mac users do this too, you know. I know that, but the point is, most Mac users take advantage of Apple's success in hiding the technicalities of computers. You obviously haven't gone into an office that uses Macs, but is not a computer related company. SL> business. Besides, how many Mac users get to sneak in a SL> quick game of SL> network Quake during work hours :) KD> How many of you can play Marathon Infinity? I've told you before that KD> games aren't really on topic here. No you haven't. Games and the platform they run on ARE on topic. This is OS_DEBATE. Games are not platform independant, therefore OS's and their ability to run the latest entertainment is a valid argument. Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00285Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:04am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting sys 2/2 [ Quoting Keith Douglas to Scott Little ] SL> wishing they only used Macs for making commercials, not for SL> the account SL> management (where they activate/deactivate channels and do SL> all the billing). KD> Where can I read about this? Don't know. Companies aren't exactly in the habbit of putting this kind of information on their web page or yearly report. SL> SL> or palmtop computer. SL> KD> How is a PDA not a 'real computer'? SL> I mean a real computer as in, it's function is not in it's SL> design. PDAs SL> usually have a specific purpose. Computers (ie. desktops, KD> Like? The main one that comes to mind is the Casio A-10. It's a Handheld PC (ie. palmtop computer). This is a real personal computer as in the kind that sits on your desktop or on your lap in a plane. PDAs are not in the same class of computer. Other possibilities (I don't know much about these ones though) are Hewlett Packard 200LX, or OmniGo, or Psion 3 series, or Sharp Zaurus, US Robotics Pilot or [maybe] Nokia 9000 Communicator. KD> But someone (Rod Savage?) just said that WinCE apps were going to be KD> the same. Hmm. Can't be that AND the above. KD> So which is it? They are the same on the surface. For example Pocket Word (Word for CE) is basically same as Word for Windows 95/NT on the surface. Underneath it's changed quite a lot. The idea being that the user can work the same on the road with the HPC and then transfer the files to the desktop PC and continue working in the exact same environment. Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00286Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 03:13am \/To: KEITH DOUGLAS (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting sys 2/3 [ Quoting Keith Douglas to Scott Little ] SL> Not necessarily. Fastest computer in the world is based on SL> 80x86's. MMX is KD> Not the fastest personal computer. Well DUH! I didn't say it was. My statement still stands. It's not a personal computer, it's a supercomputer based on 80x86 chips. And it IS the fastest computer, NASA bought it (check if you want). Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00287Date: 02/22/97 From: SCOTT LITTLE Time: 04:37am \/To: LEON KIRILIUK (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting sy [ Quoting Leon Kiriliuk to Scott Little ] SL> I don't know whether it's trying to synchronise the local console SL> remote use or what, but it's still slow on both ends. LK> Same here... Why do you put up with it? AFAIK WinFOSSIL does everything SIO does (inc. Vmodem) and is quite a bit faster on screen writes. LK> I play 32 channel IT files which are 2.5MB big, and it takes LK> less than 1% under OS/2 on a 486... Is your player native 32bit? The player I was using was a 16bit Win3.1 program. It's obviously going to take more resources than a proper Win32 one LK> surround sound. Welcome to the 90's Scott... (Oh.. and please do tell LK> us what SB you do have, because the SB16 can not do 48Khz... only 44.1 LK> (or not even.. I think the max is 22 channels at 22Khz each..) It's a KTX Sound Adapter of some sort. LK> behind FT2 or CUBIC.. And still 5-8% is much more than this text based LK> module player, which like MOD4WIN, plays the songs from inside the ZIP LK> file. Send me a 32bit text mode Win95 player and we'll compare CPU graphs. SL> for every file where in NS I can right click->save and it prompts me SL> further. LK> What do you expect?? IE d/ls it to your cache directory! How LK> good is that!?!? The ONLY reason I use it is because it formats properly, that's really all that is important, the rest works just fine. I will have to see NS4 when they release it. Regards, - SoNiC [ Scott Little (aka. SoNiC) | Fidonet: 3:712/848 ] [ admin@cyberia.asstdc.com.au | www.asstdc.com.au/~cyberia ] --- FMail/Win32 1.22 * Origin: Cyberia <> 02-9534-1702 <> v34+ (3:712/848)