--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00079Date: 02/18/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 09:07pm \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 3 times) Subj: WIN NO OPERARTING SY Bill Wolff wrote in a message to Denis Tonn: BW> important is that W95 bashers were bashing Windows because its own BW> of some 16 bit code. What exactly does "because its own of some 16 bit code" mean in your statement above? BW> You might to be able to BS many, but I just too smart BW> for that game. And what does "I just too smart for that game" mean? For someone who chides others for spelling errors yet perpetrates the number of grammatical errors that you do is risible. And BTW, have you decided whether your spell checker was added to your OS as you claimed in one message or is it simply an add-on to your message editor? It would be interesting to know which of those statements is the lie -- personally, I'm voting for the one where you claimed to have added the spell checker to your OS. Regards, David ... As inevitable as death, taxes, and America Online disks. --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00080Date: 02/17/97 From: LAWRENCE LUCIER Time: 02:57pm \/To: ROD SAVAGE (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting sys 2/2 RS> it is available on PDAs but I expect MS has some big plans for RS> CE Yep, microwaves and fridges with shades of Red Dwarfs' intelligent toaster " Would anyone care for some toast??!!" --- Sqed/32 1.13b2/r15155 * Origin: T-Shirts 'N Genes BBS - (250)748-3408 v32b v42b XA CM (1:340/204) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00081Date: 02/17/97 From: DAVE RAYMOND Time: 08:34am \/To: ROD SAVAGE (Read 3 times) Subj: copyleft? Rod, DB>> No, Alex. All I am saying is that IO.SYS is functionally DB>> equivalent to the old IO.SYS/MSDOS.sys (or IBMBIO.COM/IBMDOS.COM DB>> in that variant). And I am using the presence of the copyright DB>> statements as support for that opinion. RS> Can you find anything that MS says that is any different? What is RS> your point? DB>> As for "no one disputes that IO.SYS DB>> implements a version of MS-DOS"? Check the various message DB>> threads in the area -- it would appear that quite a few are DB>> willing to claim that IO.SYS implements a real mode, DB>> non-multitasking CLI version of Windows 95. RS> Who are they? And what is it they are claiming again? And why is RS> this so important anyways. It seems the Team is always chaning this RS> mantra, 'There is DOS in Windows 95!' as though it had some profound RS> meaning. This is typical. You Win95 advocates always do this. You're so predictable. First, you deny that DOS is there. Second, you tell us how "DOS" means "Disk Operating System" and that every OS has one. Third, when backed into a factual corner, you act as if you can't understand why it's such a big deal to OS/2 advocates. Well, here's a clue... DON'T DENY THAT IT'S THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISPUTE OVER AND OVER AGAIN! See ya next time you deny that DOS is there. .... RS> I still don't get the point, although I have asked many RS> people. I can call up (using teamster buzzwords) a fully 32bit RS> preemptivly multitasked, multithreaded session with 32bit memory RS> managment and 32bit kernal and I/O, -DOS- virtuial machine, and as RS> many as I want with different settings. Ya think so? Are you SURE that it's fully 32 bit? I think you had better check your facts. RS> Yep, this is DOS alright, but it's not like any other RS> DOS version. I can boot to the C:> prompt, and it looks RS> just like good old DOS, Denying it again so soon??? Boy, you didn't even make it through a whole message, without starting up the same debate again, that you just lost. It looks like DOS, because that's what it is. RS> but I can run multiple sessions, and even some Windows apps fer RS> Christ's sake. And all this from a DOS prompt, without the GUI loading? Please tell us how you accomplished this. RS> Now does someone want to tell me what's wrong with that? RS> Is there DOS in Windows 95? You bet, if fact the best RS> MS DOS ever. Now you're admitting it again? Will you please make up your mind? RS> Since I still have a few DOS apps I run, I like the fact RS> that 95 is so fully compatable with DOS, and I like the RS> improvements they have made. It's hard NOT to be compatible with DOS, when DOS is part of the Operating System. RS> But compared with the rest of 95, and the shrinking importance RS> of DOS support, this is a minor issue I think. Until you run NT or something. Then you'll brag about how it doesn't require DOS at all. Of course, you must remember, that "DOS support" is still there in Win95, even with 32 bit native Win95 apps. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... Oxymoron: Windows Accelerator --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00082Date: 02/17/97 From: MODERATOR Time: 08:53am \/To: PAUL WANKADIA (Read 3 times) Subj: Lack of time... Paul, PW> Don't worry about addressing them. Just hit 'R' to reply. BW>> As I do have a life you know. PW> ... ha ... ha ha ... ha ha ha ... bwahahahaha ... bwahahahahahaha ... PW> That will be enough of that. Dave Raymond - Moderator (Fido) : Motorola / HS Modems / OS-Debate [Team OS/2] - Moderator (OS2Net): OS/2 Hardware EMail: - solo33@juno.com ... Backup not found: (A)bort, (R)etry, (S)lap nearest innocent bystander --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Warp Drive * St. Pete, FL * (1:3603/210.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00083Date: 02/13/97 From: MIKE ZELESKI Time: 11:18pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: CLI SL> [ Quoting Mike Zeleski to Bill Wolff ] SL> MZ> system. By personal experience I am certain you don't know one darnd SL> MZ> thing about Hard Drives and how the various Installable File Systems SL> MZ> VFAT is a very slow kludge that can thrash your HD's contents, and it SL> MZ> is a Memory Hog compared to what stripped down version of HPFS could SL>Pot.. kettle... black? If you really think so why don't you request and read some of the HD Faq files I have written. It will be an education for you, something Bill has obviously never has done. O AKA Big Z Internet E-Mail: mike.zeleski@father.com ( z ) FidoNet E-Mail: Mike Zeleski 1:2607/112. | | Editor/Creator of HDCNFQ5?.ZIP collection of Hard Drive Faqs. Moderator WildNet Dos Echo. --- * OLXWin 1.00b * Hard Drive? I hardly ever drive let alone a hard one. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Father & Son*610-439-1509*Whitehall Pa (1:2607/112.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00084Date: 02/14/97 From: MIKE ZELESKI Time: 02:27am \/To: STEVE STEFFLER (Read 3 times) Subj: HARDER TO OPERATE SS> BW> Under W95, it will relocate the moved files/directories. Under SS> BW> OS/2, I moved the desktop directory and OS/2 lost it. SS>The two are unrelated. Try moving your Windows desktop directory, too. SS>That's C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP, normally. Win95 will lose it too. Item, there is an OS/2 EWS program that claims that it can move, backup, and restore the GUI's Desktop Settings. However I have yet to see the same type of Utility for Win 95 or obtain and test the OS/2 program... SS> BW> Besides, if SS> BW> you don't know what you are doing, you shouldn't move things around SS> BW> anyway. SS>Then, maybe you shouldn't try what I said above. SS> BW> WIN applications were slower and didn't multitask in the SS> BW> background. Of course some programs like PSD (Win 3.11 version.) don't really Multitask even in Plain old Windows. However a user can open yet another Windows program in yet another Windows window in OS/2, provided they have enough savvy to Hotkey out of it and enough system power & memory to do so... SS>Try running and OS/2 application under Windows. At least OS/2 can run SS>SOME Windows apps. I've only run across a very few that I could not replace with a Dos or OS/2 program that did work... --- * OLXWin 1.00b * Balance the Budget: Declare politicians a game species... --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Father & Son*610-439-1509*Whitehall Pa (1:2607/112.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00085Date: 02/18/97 From: JACK STEIN Time: 11:27pm \/To: C OCTAVA (Read 3 times) Subj: Tired C Octava wrote in a message to Elliott Goodman: > No matter how much memory you have, a textmode app will run > faster than its GUI counterpart. It'll also use less resources > so the system will run more efficiently. I like textmode apps > better than GUI apps, C. Jack's not so strange. I think a lot > of us do. CO> With your Pentium Pro, that's a non-issue. How is a Pentium Pro going to make one prefer GUI junk to a nice text mode interface? I now have 20 megs installed, and I still dislike GUI crap the same as I did with 8 megs. Speed is a minor issue and always has been. With 8 megs, GUI junk ran fine, speedwise, once the app was loaded and in the foreground, the problem is the interface stinks for about 95% of all computing tasks, is FAR harder to use, FAR more criptic, and really boring after a little use, and as an added attraction, it prevents most user's from ever having any hope of learning what's going on, or how to use a computer efficiently, keep it running and so on and so on. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00086Date: 02/18/97 From: JACK STEIN Time: 11:48pm \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 3 times) Subj: UPGRADING OS/2 3 TO 4 Bill Wolff wrote in a message to Glenn George: BW> P.S. I see incorporating a spell checker must be just too BW> tough for you. Mine is built into my editor. Maybe you BW> might want to try one of these someday and see how you BW> like them. They suck. My spell checker is system wide. It's always loaded and ready to go regardless of the application I'm in, be it OS/2, DOS or WIN application. It works everywhere, including the command line. I leave it loaded, but turned off most of the time as a pain in the neck, who gives a damn about spelling errors on Fidonet, this ain't no damn high school term paper, grade school spelling contest and so on. I've rarely had a bit of trouble reading any post because of spelling, including non-English speaking folks attempting to write in Fido's "native" tongue. Does you're spell checker continue to work when you switch to a DOS or a WIN3x or a WIN95 editor, or an off line reader, or whatever? My spell checker works anytime I want it too, in ANY application, regardless of platform. Perhaps someday when you learn how to use a real OS, you will find a spell checker that has some flexibility. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR16.8 Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00087Date: 02/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:26pm \/To: MARK BIRENBAUM (Read 3 times) Subj: MS'S SURVIVAL MB> has a nasty tendency to crash frequently, I'd say on par It only does if someone does something stupid with it. (Like use lots of demented third party extensions) MB> feasible upgrade for most users, as they would lose their MB> existing system 7 software. You're average Mac user isn't Not at all. Rhapsody has a compatibility box. MB> even half of it's promise, and it hasn't lost too many 3rd MB> party developers, the Mac willl be an excellent choice, but 3rd party support is -increasing-. MB> in the here and now, the Mac OS sucks, it's interface isn't MB> suffiencently superior to make up for all it's other faults, It's not just an interface that makes the Mac OS a superior choice, it's media handling, hardware integration, and many other things. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2T00088Date: 02/15/97 From: KEITH DOUGLAS Time: 12:28pm \/To: MARK BIRENBAUM (Read 3 times) Subj: THE STATE OF THIS CONFERE MB> Most people don't even realize there is a choice MB> though. As far as most people are concerned Windows is the MB> PC, and System7 is the Mac. The vast majority of home users You say this ... MB> has some strong points. However, they don't interest me, MB> and I've found the trade offs are such that most people MB> would rather go with a PC. and then this. These appear to be incompatible. Most people, IMO -aren't aware- of the facts. --- FMail/386 1.22 * Origin: The Chrono Zone (514)363-6298 Lasalle, QC, Canada (1:167/310)