--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00012Date: 02/18/97 From: CHRIS VALLINGA Time: 10:37pm \/To: KENNETH ABRAMS (Read 3 times) Subj: WIN NO OPERARTING SY -=> Quoting KENNETH ABRAMS to CHRIS VALLINGA <=- KA> I'd say that "honor" should go to Terminal, part of Win3.1. :-) Even KA> the sample code I've got in a book on C/C++ beats it. Anything would be better than it. [EMAIL] cvallinga@rivspill.ebtech.net --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Suicidal Inconveniences BBS - 519-332-0706! (1:246/76) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00013Date: 02/18/97 From: CHRIS VALLINGA Time: 10:37pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support -=> Quoting Scott Little to Mack Barss <=- MB> Trident 9440 ring any bells? Funny... can't even get 800x600x256 let SL> I had a trident, can't remember the model, but it worked fine at SL> 800x600. I know someone running a Trident at 800x600x256 as well. [EMAIL] cvallinga@rivspill.ebtech.net --- GEcho 1.02+ * Origin: The Suicidal Inconveniences BBS - 519-332-0706! (1:246/76) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00014Date: 02/17/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 05:31am \/To: ELLIOTT GOODMAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Hot Keys EG> And the name of this wonder program is? Filename and source? BLANKR60.ZIP is the filename of the archive I have, the program itself is called simply Blanker. I'm not sure what he did about the small bugfix I prompted, however. I haven't seen a newer version anywhere, but I haven't really looked, either. It's available from BMT Micro in the US, on the Web at http://wilmington.net/bmtmicro. BMT has two different screen saver programs, btw, this one and a different one called Screen Saver. Imaginative names, eh? :-) The author is in Austria: Peter Wansch Hagenbachgasse 37 A-3423 St. Andrae-Woerdern AUSTRIA e-mail: p.wansch@ieee.org Nice program, in my opinion. Oh, the bug I'm referring to *is* rather minor. With version 6.0, he added --# keys as available launch key selections. However, if you assigned a program to those keys, and then assigned that launch key to an alarm event, the alarm function would "forget" the launch key after you closed the settings. Any of the multitude of other available key combinations still worked fine. I just happened to choose to use the #-key's and stumbled into this one. Apparently, it was an easy fix. Kenneth.Abrams@bbsnets.com Fido: 1:2612/114 * RM 1.3 03106 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GX * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00015Date: 02/17/97 From: KENNETH ABRAMS Time: 05:31am \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting sy SL> How old are they? Cannon have officially announced OS/2 support is SL> history, so Santa must have made yours if they're recent. I'm not familiar with Canon's product line, I have no idea how old any of the printers on OS/2's list are. However, I have a coworker that bought a color Canon printer last summer. That printer was new enough that the model did not show up in Warp 3's list, although the older drivers present did support it. That same printer *is* on the list in Warp 4 and I understand from him that it works nicely. SL> It's SLOOOOOW. Every time OS2 crashes it takes 5 minutes just to SL> figure out that there is nothing wrong with a 700 meg drive. Guess I'm not that worried about it, since my OS/2 system very seldom crashes. More importantly, chkdsk only runs on reboot *if* you've rebooted without flushing the disk cache, leaving the "dirty bit" set on the drive. Since a -- flushes the cache, this generally only happens when you get the keyboard locked up. Personally, in three years of running OS/2, I've had that happen less than a dozen times. SL> Not necessarily. But it's a lot easier and makes me a lot happier if SL> it is. Every experience I've had with Win32 to date, has been one of drastically increased system instability. Admittedly, this is with Win3.1 systems only, but I've learned to avoid Win32 whenever possible. Then, of course, there are the functions broken by Win32. For example, with AutoCad r12, we could rather easily insert drawings into a WordPerfect document (developing technical manuals). We were never really happy with the font support in doing so, but it *did* work. With AutoCad r13, a Win32 program, you can no longer do this. Attempting to do so produces an OLE related error. AutoCad's readme identifies this as a "known Windows problem" (and uses MS's own Word as their example). And some people try to call this progress.... Kenneth.Abrams@bbsnets.com Fido: 1:2612/114 * RM 1.3 03106 * --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0GX * Origin: BBS Networks @ bbsnets.com 301-863-5089 (1:2612/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00016Date: 02/16/97 From: GREG COBB Time: 06:58pm \/To: RICH VERAA (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting system Hi Rich! Saturday February 15 1997, Rich Veraa babbled to Greg Cobb: -> That package must've been printed prior to 1989. That was pretty close. :) -> This is from: -> FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COPYRIGHT (V. 1.1.3) -> Part 1 - Introduction. It didn't have pictures and I didn't take the time to read through every paragraph. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Greg Cobb - gcobb@memphisonline.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --- 2SuaveEd v.0 * Origin: Picture This... Southaven, Ms (601)280-2805 - (1:123/434) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00017Date: 02/16/97 From: GREG COBB Time: 07:00pm \/To: ROGIER MEURS (Read 3 times) Subj: win no operarting system Hi Rogier! Thursday February 13 1997, Rogier Meurs babbled to Greg Cobb: GC>> It isn't copyrighted until it's sent to the copyright bureau in detail GC>> and in a presentable manner, along with the fee. -> I would like to see some proof for this claim. The claim is valid, however I found it to be outdated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Greg Cobb - gcobb@memphisonline.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --- 2SuaveEd v.0 * Origin: Picture This... Southaven, Ms (601)280-2805 - (1:123/434) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00018Date: 02/17/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 04:48pm \/To: ROGIER MEURS (Read 3 times) Subj: MICROSOFT VERSION NU Rogier Meurs wrote in a message to David Bowerman: RM> If that's the case, there should be some thunking going on, right? RM> Thunking might have a bad impact on performance. And how about the RM> HPFS driver, isn't that one 16-bit? Rogier, you might want to look at the timing differences between converting from 16:16 protected mode to 0:32 protected mode and converting from protected mode to real mode. As for the HPFS driver, I'll let Denis answer that one if he wishes -- the Warp 3 and Warp 4 HPFS drivers are both using a 16:16 interface however the internals are quite different. Then we could drag in the red herring of the HPFS386 driver. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00019Date: 02/17/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 04:06pm \/To: JOE BRUCHIS (Read 3 times) Subj: MS'S SURVIVAL Joe Bruchis wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JB> You said it yourself. They are stuck and that's why OS/2 won't ever JB> be a threat in the OS market. The average user simply will not JB> learn to tweak a 2 to 3 page config.sys, while Win95 doesn't even JB> require one. The average user is not technically competent. So you consider digging through WIN.INI and having fun with the registry as taking less technical competence? An interesting thought. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00020Date: 02/17/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 04:51pm \/To: ROGIER MEURS (Read 3 times) Subj: MS'S SURVIVAL Rogier Meurs wrote in a message to David Bowerman: RM> But still, System Editor _can_ block the input, which I find RM> amazing in a 'fully' 32-bit OS and IMHO, shows where OS/2's PM RM> queing really lacks. In Win95, if a 32-bit application isn't RM> accessible because it's busy doing something and uses only 1 thread RM> (and therefore doesn't have a thread update it's window etc. RM> anymore), moving the mouse away from this app will turn the mouse RM> cursor the a normal pointer and I can do whatever I want again RM> _outside_ the app. In OS/2 System Editor, when loading a large RM> file, the cursor/clock flickers, not only when over the System RM> Editor, but over the _entire desktop_! Congratulations! You've just noticed that OS/2 has a synchronous system input queue while Windows 95/NT have an asynchronous system input queue. Care to remember which company wanted the synchronous input queue during the period when Microsoft and IBM were co-developing OS/2? And again the sheer stupidity of using an editor which is specified as being for 32K or smaller files to load large files and then complaining about the performance is more than a trifle overwhelming. RM> I've read about the copy and paste stuff from Bill Wolff. But I'm RM> not saying he's right or not about the copy and paste. I'm purely RM> talking about the System Editor which he mentioned first in this RM> thread and he's right about. Yes, we all remember how Bill loaded a large binary file into System Editor, said yes to loading the file despite the embedded nulls and then complained about how his system took sooooo llloooonnnngggg to load the file and how he couldn't do anything while it was loading. Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 129 OP. SYS DEBATE Ref: E2N00021Date: 02/17/97 From: DAVID BOWERMAN Time: 04:12pm \/To: SCOTT LITTLE (Read 3 times) Subj: OS/2 Support Scott Little wrote in a message to Denis Tonn: DT> Even in the "office" environment there are lots of uses. Lawyers, DT> medical personnel, etc. You still haven't let your imagination go. SL> Think about it. Most of these people have $50 microtape recorders SL> to tape whatever they want. The only task if to type up what is on SL> the tape at a later time (if necessary). This is a small price to SL> pay for a system that'll never stop when it can't figure out what a SL> word is. SL> The alternative is the company paying for a hardware upgrade + OS2 SL> to be able to use a medeocre VRS (voice rec. sys.). VRS will often SL> ignore a word if it's not recognised, skip bits, or just be too SL> slow. Scott, have you ever used or even seen VTD in use? Your comments about ignoring an unrecognized word or skipping bits certainly are not the comments from someone who has even a passing acquaintance with voice input. SL> The former option costs a company nothing. The latter costs it SL> major hardware changes and possible more training for the users - SL> who probably don't know jack about computers (lawyers, doctors SL> etc.). Right, Scott. The cost for the time of whomever gets to transcribe that tape is negligible -- hmm, let's say $12 per hour for the secretary? How many hours is it going to take to cover the cost of the hardware upgrade to a PPro 200 with 64MB of RAM? Regards, David --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: Frog Hollow -- a scenic backroad off the Infobahn (1:153/290)