--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA100007 Date: 05/22/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 04:50pm \/To: IVY IVERSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: inbreeding *** Quoting Ivy Iverson from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** CS> Ivy, is a cat breeder. There is nothing wrong with that. She does it CS> responsibly and with care, and has homes for all the kittens. II> Thank you Carol! I'm glad that SOMEONE around here knows at least the II> basics of animal breeding... Thank you! Grin, I am a voracious reader with a mind to recall a lot of 'trivia'. Hope I got it right that you are a cat breeder. I seem to recall that. Even if you arent, you are a responsible person about it and take care to always have homes. I seem to recall, you have pedigree cats, with small litters as natural to the breed involved. That makes you a 'breeder' even if you dont have the paperwork backing to give papers to the 'kittens'. Had I known 'Face' was a point purrfect 'American Black Beauty/American Black Longhair' I would probably NOT have had her fixed. I would have mated her at least once with another of the same new breed. It's too late now, and with that breed, you cant tell until they are a bit older than normally one spays a cat to prevent first heat. I've seen cats in the Cat Fancy, and other breeder books though, that are show winners of the breed, and you cant tell they *arent* Face! I've been told by those who know, she has only one trait *slightly* off, which is the hair on her 'withers' is slightly long. That however is what they are looking to breed longer! I have no idea who a kitten of her quality landed at a 'rescue' place. It was probably because the breed is so *new* it just wasnt recognized? I certainly had no idea when I picked her up! xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b18 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA100008 Date: 05/22/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 06:39pm \/To: ROBIN SHEPPARD (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: spaying/neutering *** Quoting Robin Sheppard from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** RS> For every dog or cat owner who feels that it's acceptable to bree RS> litter as long as "I find homes for them all!", I'd like to point out RS> each of those goes to a home that might otherwise adopt an animal from RS> shelter, and because they don't, that animal is euthanized. Well Robin, I disagree with you. It's all well and good to wish every person who wanted a pet, would go to the local 'pound' but some folks enjoy pedigree type cats and dogs. RS> Might I also point out that in her original message, when she tal RS> breeding Golgie for the first time, she told about how the stud of cho RS> a "flea factory" from outside? And yet, in a later message, when aske Perhaps it escaped you, that this was a JOKE. I often refer to my 3 cats as 'fleabags'. That doesnt mean they actually have fleas. I also call them furballs. That doesnt mean they barf on the carpet every 20 mins. I am quite sure a responsible breeder like Ivy would NOT take a breeder mate pet for her own cats, that was *literally* crawling with fleas. It indicates the other person was giving shoddy care and possibly faked papers. RS> seems like she is being somewhat hypocritical there; not an indication RS> (at least) of a "responsible cat owner." No, you just accidentally missed the joke in the first message. Happens so dont worry about it. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b18 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA100009 Date: 05/23/98 From: ROSS SAUER Time: 03:12am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Cats vs. Dogs I found this in the META_UFO echo: REASONS TO OWN A CAT OVER A DOG * Cats rule. Dogs drool. * Cats rub your leg when they want affection, not when they're horny. * Cats use a litter box. Dogs use your leg. * In 1996, over 10,000 US deaths were attributed to a dog owner's choking on saliva during morning wake-up licks. * Cats always land on their feet. Dogs won't even let you throw them. * Cats will wait until you've read your morning paper before tearing it to shreds. * Cats look cute sleeping on the TV. Dogs crash right in front of the screen. * No one has ever had to "Beware of the Cat." * Cats bury their crap. Dogs dig up others'. * Cats have better things to do than stick their nose in your crotch. * Cats lay on the car in the heat. Dogs in heat lay the car. * Why do you think they call it "Dog Breath?" * Garfield. Odie. Enough said. Ross Sauer patch@bytehead.com patch@bbs.sts.net ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- TriToss (tm) 1.03 - (Unregistered) * Origin: Ivy's WALL BBS - Sheboygan, WI 920-457-9255 (1:154/170) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA100010 Date: 05/23/98 From: VIKKI Time: 11:37pm \/To: CAROL SHENKENBERGER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: inbreeding |--------Carol Shenkenberger said to Ivy Iverson--------| CS>I have no idea who a kitten of her quality landed at a 'rescue' place. It CS>probably because the breed is so *new* it just wasnt recognized? I certai CS>had no idea when I picked her up! Hi Carol, I lost a cat in October (and still miss her dreadfully) last year that was a chocolate point Siamese/Himalayan (never can spell that right so I have to let my spell checker catch it. LOL) cross. She had the perfect qualities of each of her parents. I'm not a fancier of Siamese personalities (no offense to those who are). Jaz was a wonderfully loving, gentle, outgoing cat. Her fur was medium length, her eyes were blue, blue, blue and not crossed in the least. She had a beautiful face... We used to take her everywhere with us, even camping. If I had realized when she was still young just how beautiful (temperament as well as physical looks) she would turn out to be, I would have tried to find a male cross and bred her at least once. With her looks and personality, I think a new breed would have been a shoe in. Not sure I could have let the kittens go though. I rescued my new guy, Nikki, in February and he's such a card! We both had some adjustment to go through but we're definitely bonded now. :) I've never been owned by a male cat before and if they're all like Nikki, they sure are different than females! Take care, Vikki horsecamper@geocities.com May 23, 1998 ... All things are beautiful if you love them. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Get Your Fido Fix Here. telnet://bbs.docsplace.org (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA100011 Date: 05/24/98 From: LARRY POST Time: 12:53am \/To: CAROL SHENKENBERGER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: spaying/neutering -=> Quoting Carol Shenkenberger to Robin Sheppard <=- CS> *** Quoting Robin Sheppard from a message to Susan Cook *** RS> Here here. I was wondering when people would stop saying "Aww, m RS> kittens, how cute!" and give Ivy the earful she so desperately deserve RS> know it has been stated before, but it will be repeated until people f RS> clue in. It's not a matter of opinion that there is a population prob RS> and it's not a matter of opinion that thousands of cats are put down e RS> year. CS> Robin, I understad you are upset, but lets be real for a moment. Ivy CS> allows a cat to have 1 litter, and finds homes for all the kittens. CS> It isnt our job to abuse her in the echo. Unlike many who just CS> abandon the kittens, she finds them homes. She is a responsible cat CS> owner. CS> It's the *irresponsible* ones you need to be angry at, not Ivy. When we got our kitty we decided to have him neutered so that he don't decide to take off on us. My other neighbor has two female cats who are always having 2 to 3 litters a year which I think is disgusting because she don't take proper care of them and they don't see the vet at all. "Cat lovers" like that gives us a bad name. ... Fur is a renewable resource, as anyone who grooms a cat knows. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: Bits & Bytes BBS * V.Everything! * (860) 535-4284 (1:320/119) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA300000 Date: 05/23/98 From: MISS KITTY Time: 11:20am \/To: CAROL SHENKENBERGER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: spaying/neutering -> Well Robin, I disagree with you. It's all well and good to wish -> every person who wanted a pet, would go to the local 'pound' but -> some folk enjoy pedigree type cats and dogs. I don't recall Ivy saying that her cats were pedigreed - I got the impression that her cats were just ordinary housecats that's she's breeding to get a brown mark across their shoulders... Ivy? --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Kitty's Keep BBS * 714-997-9310 * Orange, CA * (1:103/441.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA300001 Date: 05/24/98 From: MISS KITTY Time: 07:05am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: 06/ELTAG Summary file weekly posting Just so nobody will worry: From: Moderator, Echolist Echo ELMOD UPDATES KATTY_KORNER 07 Apr 98 by Katey Mallory, 1:103/441 (This means that our echo is current, and safe from hostile takeovers...hahah) --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Kitty's Keep BBS * 714-997-9310 * Orange, CA * (1:103/441.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA300002 Date: 05/24/98 From: SUSAN COOK Time: 07:06pm \/To: ROSS SAUER (Read 1 times) Subj: What's a mother?(Off topi RS> And dollars to donuts you cried like a baby while giving her up. Would you belive that I didn't? But I just couldn't relax till I heard that she was adopted. I visitied and called the place that was holding her every day till she was adopted!! Probably drove the people there nuts! RS> I used to volunteer at our local Humane Society. Had to stop, saw too RS> many cats and dogs I got attached to get "put down." Ended up crying RS> a lot. I work in the Hospital at the SPCA and sometimes it can be really hard because a lot of people have to put down thier pets from illness, old age, or from being injured... but there are also people who are just dropping by to keep up the health of well beloved pets, and getting thier puppy/kitten it's first shots so it all works out. ... They're baaack! -*- TurboEDIT v1.60a+ [MSP96] --- Ezycom V1.48g0 01fa0167 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA300003 Date: 05/25/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 11:52am \/To: VIKKI (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: inbreeding *** Quoting VIKKI from a message to CAROL SHENKENBERGER *** VI> realized when she was still young just how beautiful (temperament as VI> well as physical looks) she would turn out to be, I would have tried t VI> find a male cross and bred her at least once. With her looks and VI> personality, I think a new breed would have been a shoe in. Not sure I VI> could have let the kittens go though. Grin, I know the feeling. In my case, all my cats are spayed/neutered. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b18 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 277 CATS Ref: FA300004 Date: 05/25/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 11:54am \/To: LARRY POST (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: spaying/neutering *** Quoting Larry Post from a message to Carol Shenkenberger *** CS> It's the *irresponsible* ones you need to be angry at, not Ivy. LP> When we got our kitty we decided to have him neutered so that he LP> don't decide to take off on us. My other neighbor has two female LP> cats who are always having 2 to 3 litters a year which I think is LP> disgusting because she don't take proper care of them and they LP> don't see the vet at all. "Cat lovers" like that gives us a bad LP> name. Yes. Completely agree. Thats way too many! I'd be tempted to call the SPCA in a situation like that.... xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b18 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)