--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00024 Date: 08/15/96 From: RD THOMPSON Time: 09:19pm \/To: JOHN PERZ (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: things Using an ancient Captain Midnight secret decoder ring at Warp speed, John Perz, sent the following message to Nolan Penney: JP> As for someone winning the popular vote but losing the election, JP> just off the top of my head, I think the Nixon-Kennedy race was the JP> last time it happened. Close, the last time it happened was in 1888 when Benjamin Harrison was elected over Grover Cleveland. He had 233 electoral votes v. 168 while receiving 5,443,892 votes v. 5,534,488 for Cleveland. Before that it was 1876 Hayes v. Tilden. Nixon - Kennedy was a very close race 49.72% of the vote for Kennedy and 49.55% of the vote for Nixon. Source: Universal Almanac - 1995 Sleep well tonight, John.... RD (The Sandman) sandman@azstarnet.com ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Some days you eat the bear...........some days the bear eats you. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: My Blue Heaven BBS (520)750-0716 (1:300/704) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00025 Date: 08/15/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:25pm \/To: EARNEST PADGETTE (Read 1 times) Subj: 1996 Elections Earnest was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about 1996 Elections EP> Again, agreed. The danger is that Clinton will also gain EP> control of the Congress; and then we *will* be in for a fight. Prediction: Clinton re-elected. House and Senate within a couple of seats a dead heat. And that will mean there will be enough poltroons on both sides of the aisle that we're in deep ca-ca. Secondary prediction: Clinton won't make it through his second term. I don't like that prediction. I'm seeking a bolt-hole even as we speak. EP> Like it or no, there *ARE* such things as party politics, party EP> platforms, party lines, and party positions. Right now, the EP> Democrats just aren't our friends; and a third party president EP> wouldn't have any friends in Congress. Makes you yearn for EP> gridlock, doesn't it? Ernie P. Yeah it does. But, a minor quibble. Let's be sure to identify the proper villains: there are some damn fine Democrats. Many of 'em, unfortunately are not at the national level. Let's remember that there are many pro-freedom Democrats. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00026 Date: 08/15/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:25pm \/To: HTOM TRITES (Read 1 times) Subj: I'LL NEVER USE AT&T AGAIN HTom was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about I'LL NEVER USE AT&T AGAIN PN> Hard to tell. I just don't know if AT&T has any corporate policy PN> towards the shooting sports. PN> I can tell you how they are as an ISP: the pits. HT> I've been scratching my head over this and I just noticed what may be HT> the cause. The word "shooting" contains "hoot", and "shooters" the HT> word "hooter[s]", both of which can set off various 'purity of HT> language' alarms. Darn ole political correctness... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00027 Date: 08/15/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:25pm \/To: TERRY SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: Letter to Harry Browne Terry was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Letter to Harry Browne TS> Think we can pressure the NRA to exert itself to help get Harry TS> treated fairly? PN> PN> Nope. TS> Then why is Dole (again) shifting to mimic Harry a little more? 'Cause Dole will tell you anything to get elected: he's proven the ole "How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving." cliche. TS> Are you suggesting libertarians become Republicans as opposed to TS> Libertarians? PN> PN> "Libertarian Republican" is not necessarily oxymoronic. TS> Note my intentional use of alternate cases. With both caps, it is. TS> Without Libertarian capitalized, I'd like to think that made sense, TS> though the RNC platform manipulations so far suggest otherwise. Noted. To address your original question, to which my last comment was non-responsive: given the nature of politics at the national level, then yes, I'd suggest that libertarians either become Republicans or that libertarians become LIbertarians and align that party, en bloc, to control the outcome of major races. If Libertarians go off and vote third party then those votes will have no influence on the national races. Some folks say that's okay. I believe it's unrealistic. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00028 Date: 08/15/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:25pm \/To: GUY PUTNAM (Read 1 times) Subj: Note from your editor: Guy was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Note from your editor: -=> Quoting Paul Nixon to Earnest Padgette <=- PN> Earnest was heard muttering to Guy Putnam PN> about nra EP> vocabulary". Calling people names and casting dispersions on PN> "aspersions" GP> Maybe he was trying to say: GP> "Disperse you Rebels - Damn you, throw down your Arms and disperse." GP> -- Maj. John Pitcairn (British Army), Lexington, GP> Massachusetts, April 19, 1775: Big But prolly not, not Earnest. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00029 Date: 08/15/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:25pm \/To: JACKSON DRYDEN (Read 1 times) Subj: cats Jackson was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about cats PN> JS> is necessary, including the cat-a-pult (tm). PN> PN> Will Dave let you esplain "cat-a-pult?" PN> PN> --- FMail 1.02 PN> ! Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) JD> Paul, JD> Have you been able to make any headway on this. I noticed that all of JD> these postings have the same date and time, so my feeling is that they JD> are stuck in the "system" somewhere. No, and yes. They are _out_ of this (114) net. Which means they're in some other net...but without the seen-by's I've no way to track 'em. Please have your sysop bring it to the attention of your net coordinator. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCK00030 Date: 08/15/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:25pm \/To: EARNEST PADGETTE (Read 1 times) Subj: Note from your editor: Earnest was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Note from your editor: PN>Earnest was heard muttering to Guy Putnam PN> about nra PN> EP> vocabulary". Calling people names and casting dispersions on PN> "aspersions" EP> Dispersion: "To drive away or scatter". Not a bad choice. EP> Aspersion: "An injurous or offensive charge or implication". EP> Yeah, you're right; that's a better description of EP> what's been happening. Thanks for the English EP> lesson, Paul. Ernie P. Thank you for (apparently) taking it in the spirit intended: a gentle correction, not pointing and laffing cause somebody made a boo-boo. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCL00000 Date: 08/16/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:47am \/To: A. MARTIN (Read 1 times) Subj: .45 predudice A. was heard muttering to John Duke about .45 predudice AM> Sarge says: a person should familiarize themself with the most AM> effective weapons they are comfortable/proficient with. If that's a AM> 9mm, .38 wheel gun, or whatever, it will be the best for that AM> individual. And the Sarge is correct. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCL00001 Date: 08/16/96 From: DAVID R. NORTON Time: 01:28pm \/To: JOE DUFRESNE (Read 1 times) Subj: WE? -=> Quoting Joe Dufresne to Guy Putnam <=- JD> I believe that all of the rights guaranteed by the constitution are JD> equally important. I have already lost my right to practice my JD> religion, Yeah, Joe, but wasn't that the religion that involved the sacrifice of the chicken and sex with a female goat? Has anyone ever come out and said that individual rights must suffer as people become more and more crowded together? It's much easier to maintain individual rights in a small town in Montana or Nevada than in Los Angeles or New York City. Denser and denser populations require more and more restrictive rules to protect the few rights remaining. Example: You have a god-given right to play country-western music on your radio at full volume. I have a god-given right not to listen to that crap. If you and your radio are within earshot of me, one of us must give up our right, as in "You gonna turn off that radio or is this .44 Magnum gonna go off in your face?". You mention practicing your religion, can't you conceive of a situation where practicing your religion would be offensive to someone else? We have a lot of problems today, pollution, depleting natural resources, erosion of individual rights, etc. that really aren't problems at all, they are *symptoms* of THE problem, which is over population. Just my $0.02 worth..... Take Care, David R. Norton [norton@doitnow.com] ... Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat, though. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A (602)231-9377 PRN/SURV/FIDO/+ (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCL00002 Date: 08/14/96 From: GUY PUTNAM Time: 05:11am \/To: RICH WILLBANKS (Read 1 times) Subj: We? -=> Quoting Rich Willbanks to Don Shoebridge <=- RW>Having said that you have to look at the election this RW>way. Either you are voting to keep Clinton in office RW>or you are voting to elect Dole. There are no other RW>true choices. If you vote for and support someone RW>other then Dole and Clinton wins then you effectively RW>voted FOR Clinton. Think about who is on Bill's side; RW>the Brady's, Finsten and the rest. DS> No I don't have to look at it *that way*. If I wanted RW> You don't have to look at it that way but, as Walter RW> Cronkite used to say, that's the way it is. Walter Cronkite was an International Collectivist. DS> Klinton in office, I'd vote for him. If I wanted Dole in DS> office, I'd vote for him. The problem is, I don't want DS> either one of them. Therefore, I not voting for either one RW> If that's what you want then more power to you. More political power cast on the pro-gun side. RW> Someone who might sign a bill repealing the RW> weapon ban or someone who wouldn't sign it even if RW> doing so would keep him from the fires of hell? You haven't been reading all the traffic in the echo. On July 15, Dole indicated that he would _veto_ a repeal of the AW ban. All this supposed pro-gun stuff that Dole stands for, is just being made up by you, so you can go out & vote for an anti-gunner. RW> still need to look at it realistically. Either Dole or RW> Clinton is going to win in November. Which one of the RW> two (neither is NOT an option) would you want to see in RW> office? DS> don't see him as any better than Klinton. I'm hoping that RW> I do. For one thing he will want to get his VP elected RW> in 2000 and therefore he will want to keep the RW> republican voters happy. His VP is an anti-gunner . . . . RW> Seeing as most pro gunners RW> are republicans that will mean, in the very least, not RW> voting for more gun control. What do you call the Brady Bill, that Dole wrote himself? Again, you are just making this up. Dole's anti-gun voting record is just as bad as Klinton's or Metzenbaum's. ... We made an ARRANGEMENT. We LET that bill (Brady) PASS. - Sen Bob Dole --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: FLOTOM * Austin, Tx * (512) 282-3941 * H16/V34 * (1:382/91)