--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00019 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:05pm \/To: JOHN DUKE (Read 1 times) Subj: .45 predudice John was heard muttering to Dave Appel about .45 predudice -> But a .45 is a .45.......A 9mm will NEVER match it's stopping power. JD> DAGreat! I *love* the .45 versus 9mm debates. JD> DANow please back-up your above statement with with evidence. JD> I'll keep it simple then.. JD> Look at he shots fired in your average police shooting. It's almost JD> always 5 or 6 shots to stop the felon. Even the .38 did better.. Does that go to the superiority of the .45ACP or training and ability of the people involved in the shooting? --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00020 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:05pm \/To: JOHN DUKE (Read 1 times) Subj: 1996 Elections -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- John was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about 1996 Elections JD> It doesn't matter what they pass. I don't really care because I'm NOT JD> giving up my guns. It's just that simple. I agree. However, it would be preferable, imo, to carry legally, as opposed to being in constant violation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMgeFbm8UllgW/QLVAQEa6gQAm+TR6QulF9DzE1AdO8c0aI9CIoQ1vH/U 4t7x8UF+n4sCqDvL6hsU5vHnitAA0K31GRZhNPZMrR7jUTLm6+4MGfuMP9Js4bEc JTkNKtCnL297eOfOn1/StjPDcy30YVkuQvorFJs6v7paD1H4ZRaGahSm6SlAfpK2 sAMSz6tcAec= =goPb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.0 "...the ultimate enemy of any people is not the angry hate groups that fester within, but a government itself that has lost its respect for the individual." ... New IPSC stage: Digging up your guns and ammo! --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00021 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:05pm \/To: TERRY SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: Letter to Harry Browne Terry was heard muttering to Ray Rooney about Letter to Harry Browne TS> Think we can pressure the NRA to exert itself to help get Harry TS> treated fairly? Nope. TS> Are you suggesting libertarians become Republicans as opposed to TS> Libertarians? "Libertarian Republican" is not necessarily oxymoronic. ... "The era of big government is over" Sure, Bill. You Dork --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00022 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:05pm \/To: EARNEST PADGETTE (Read 1 times) Subj: Note from your editor: Earnest was heard muttering to Guy Putnam about nra EP> vocabulary". Calling people names and casting dispersions on "aspersions" --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00023 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:05pm \/To: CHARLES FIKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Stephen Halbrook's Home P Charles was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Stephen Halbrook's Home P CF> P.S. Nice talking with you and the rest here, I'm about to move.. CF> Unfortunately, there are no BBS's or internet sites where I'm moving CF> too (Canton, Texas). :< I'll bet that even Canton, Texas has telephones... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00024 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 06:05pm \/To: STEVE GUNHOUSE (Read 1 times) Subj: Terror Steve was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Terror SG> Of course we have defenses, I didn't say otherwise. But pointed SG> *towards* the mainland? They aren't pointed until a threat is perceived. SG> And Mohan never said they were actually within the MOA (whatever that SG> is), just that they were about a mile outside it. If they include a True... SG> reasonable safety margin in defining this region, that means the SG> flight was well out of any danger that may present. A mile is reasonable...if whoever is in charge of making the decision to engage a target is reasonable, competent, and well trained. And doesn't make a mistake. SG> No, I can't see any way that it would be accidental involving a SG> missile and they wouldn't tell us. I can see that some terrorists SG> might have used a missile (not a Stinger, but some other kind), and SG> they're still looking into that possibility. The Stinger would have been at its extreme effective range, as I understand it. Which doesn't leave out the possibility that it was a missile of greater effective range than the stinger. As for your trust in the government I learned first-hand by witnessing its actions that it doesn't always tell us the truth, so: PN> You do have more trust in our government and its minions than I . SG> Not exactly. Based on prior examples, I have less belief in their SG> ability to conceal things. Okay, that's valid, imo. And of course it has to be conceded here that we _are_ off into the realm of speculation -- 'way into that realm. However it appears to me to be the working premise of the press and the investigators, at least the ones being quoted and holding press conferences, that a terrorist bomb on board is the working hypothosis. I had, from reading and hearing about other investigations, thought the agencies that investigated airline crashes tended to stick closer to the scientific method. With, perhaps, a slight bias towards wanting to see most crashes the result of pilot error. Anyway, between the extreme degree of speculation and the distance we've (I've) managed to wander off topic we should mebbe close down this thread. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00025 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:21pm \/To: DAVID R. NORTON (Read 1 times) Subj: Granting Permission? DAVID was heard muttering to PAUL NIXON about Granting Permission? PN> Which brings me to the mainest premise: get the state out of the PN> business of granting permission to engage in _any_ consensual condu PN> by adults. DRN> DRN> Oh, Lord NO! Why, people would go out and do things that aren't DRN> acceptable, such as say bad things about the government! We surely DRN> can't allow that. Do you really want people saying things that might DRN> hurt Bubba's feelings? F*** Bubba. And his wife. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00026 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:21pm \/To: LYLE KNOX (Read 1 times) Subj: LIBERTARIAN? OR REPUBLICA Lyle was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about LIBERTARIAN? OR REPUBLICA PN> * Crossposted from: FREEDOM'S_VOICE PN> From: Joe Zychik PN> Subject: Schulman/Zychik Debate - w/suprise ending Part 1 PN> [The debate, held on July 11, 1996, was between Joe Zychik PN> editor of the Zychik Chronicle and J. Neil Schulman, author PN> of _Stopping Power: Why 70 Million Americans Own Guns_. PN> The aftermath of the debate will shock you - delightfully. LK> PN> If you want Liberty, hey--vote for it. Thank you very much. PN> (Applause) PN> Joe Zychik PN> Editor, The Zychik Chronicle PN> http://www.pacificnet.net/~jzychik PN> To receive the ZC free, contact: jzychik@pacificnet.net PN> "All rights are individual." LK> Was this all there was to this debate? Where's the "delightful" LK> aftermath? Uh, umm...I musta uploaded the second half...somewhere else? Oops. Anyway, the whole piece is available on Freedom's_Voice, number below, but to save you the suspense Neil basically decided to tell Dole to go urinate up a rope. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00027 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:21pm \/To: LYLE KNOX (Read 1 times) Subj: I'LL NEVER USE AT&T AGAIN Lyle was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about I'LL NEVER USE AT&T AGAIN JE>> I tried to log into your Olympic site. I received the following JE>> message: JE>> "We're sorry, but your entry for field Best Event(shooting) appeared JE>> to contain words of phrases that are obscene, inappropriate, or on a JE>> disallowed subject. JE>> Your profile update was rejected." [snip] LK> I just had a thought and was wondering if anybody has contacted the LK> USOC and the US Shooting Team, in particular, about this? Shortly after this is was reported that whatever was causing that was "fixed." That's all I know. --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 275 GUNS Ref: DCB00028 Date: 08/06/96 From: PAUL NIXON Time: 07:21pm \/To: DAN ARICO (Read 1 times) Subj: Plastic Dan was heard muttering to Paul Nixon about Plastic PN> This is a new felony: you told people about duct tape. Duct tape PN> can be used to make a bomb. You've furnished information on how to PN> make a bomb. DA> Naw. That's stretching a point...... *this* week. ...until the next round in the Terror Bill catches up to us... --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: CyberSupport Hq/Co.A PRN/SURV/FIDO+ (602)231-9377 (1:114/428)